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On December 10 2014 09:31 wims80 wrote:
A monolith getting bigger, not sure how this is supposed to be a good thing. We need twitch competitors, not a bigger monopoly
I totally agree. I really dont want twitch to sponsor tourneys and make deals with the organizers (lets be honest most studios dont have alternatives) and own big esport teams at the same time. They are way to powerful already.
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United States10328 Posts
On December 10 2014 08:40 mikedebo wrote:
Is Jaedong going to get a "?" email from Bezos every time he loses?
you just made me read a long-ass article about Amazon
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congrats but dont see a benefit from this. already twitch is auto-muting any VOD-recorded streams with songs on it, etc., so these mergers and acquisitions / conglomeration of this industry will only result in more censorship
call me cynical but it's pretty much correct.
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A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding what actually happened. Twitch/Amazon did not specifically buy EG. They bought the agency that owns EG (Good Game Agency) as well as Alliance and various other brands.
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Well that's just my thoughts. We all know or should know...common you had to be blind in esport to not hear about it...that alex garfield tried to strong arm tournaments with his teams. For example he wanted a revenue share of Dreamhack. So in his world domination plans he got blocked.
Riot stopped him of strong arming, how could he even think this would work and Valve is also looking at it to stop him from abusing his Teams to his own benefits. So what could he possibly do, well sell all players to Twitch that has a monopoly and try to strong arm again. This time he has more power with the nr1 gaming streaming platform.
First ofc congratulations. I hope he made tons of money with this deal. But I hope he fails to strong arm tournaments so badly. For even trying he should get kicked out of the industry and people should go nuts like for idra and make sponsors even do not looking at him. But GL 2015 in strong arm tournament organisations.
@SC2 Towel, if you look right Alex does not own "officially" any of this clans because he had to resign all to be able to cheat himself multiple teams into LCS....but we all know he is the boss of them. Riot stopped him, Valve is looking into it. And well thats it in esport. Blizzard is incompetent when it comes to esport but well we will see. Blizzard does not really care anyway.
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So, bottom line Amazon owns EG 
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I honestly WOWed out loud when I read about this!
Awesome... just awesome!
<3
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Russian Federation3330 Posts
Dang~ that's some real money being splashed into ESports... :o
Hope they continue to improve twitch :D
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E-sports while a relatively small market is still growing and Amazon wants someone already in the industry that knows how to advertise to gamers just in case E-sports actually makes it big.
Dunno what planet you're living on dude. Esports is small relative to major sports, or small relative to Amazon's main business (most things are), but it has clearly arrived and is growing exponentially. There's no "just in case" about it at this point. Hell I know a tech entrepreneur who, if he ever asked me what he should spend some money on, I'd have some very specific and very confident recommendations in esports that basically make the case for themselves. It's just a matter of whether you want to be engaged in the sector. Twitch lives in the esports sector, so further investment makes a ton of sense. Amazon lives in content delivery, investing in the number one provider putting out massive numbers (Twitch #3 in prime-time traffic I think?) in a sector showing exponential growth, with not only impressive charts to show all over the place but constant new visuals of thousands of spectators in sports arenas, it just makes sense.
Esports has arrived. The question is, who will profit? Who is positioned to accelerate its growth?
On December 10 2014 11:15 gulati wrote:
censorship
No. Just no. I don't like this new feature any more than most but it is not "censorship."
@Tadl: I don't know everything you're talking about but Riot not wanting anyone to have leverage is not a mysterious thing or specific to Alex Garfield. Riot wants as much control over everything LCS as they can get, which isn't abnormal by any means but is more the core of motivation for that change than "oh no Alex Garfield."
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I don't really know what to feel about this. I didn't know Dota 2 had a new Marine hero though. :p
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
I heard the deal was contingent on two things:
1. Idra unretires.
2. EG players now only play World of Tanks
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On December 10 2014 11:44 BisuDagger wrote:
I heard the deal was contingent on two things:
1. Idra unretires.
2. EG players now only play World of Tanks
Idra is on their HotS team now didn't you hear?
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On December 10 2014 11:36 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote + E-sports while a relatively small market is still growing and Amazon wants someone already in the industry that knows how to advertise to gamers just in case E-sports actually makes it big. Esports is small relative to major sports, or small relative to Amazon's main business (most things are), but it has clearly arrived and is growing exponentially. There's no "just in case" about it at this point.
My use of the word big would mean it growing into something that rivals sportsball. I don't see something like that happening until maybe 30-40 years from now (or more). There's also the problem that while DotA2 and LoL while easy games themselves are far more complicated than sportsball games which could make it harder to get new casual viewers. What I mean is that in a sportsball game you take a ball and shoot/kick/run it to a goal, which is very easy to understand. Observing a LoL or DotA game requires a relatively large amount of game knowledge before you can actually understand whats going on. I agree it's growing but I don't think it's "arrived" and I don't think it becoming my definition of big is a sure thing.
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I mean that's a hell of a high bar. A thing can be big without being FIFA/NFL big. Not really sure why you would define "big" as approaching such scale.
But it has arrived in the sense that it is clearly profitable and has gained mainstream attention. The NYT now writes about it regularly. ESPN finally gave it a nod - and that was Dota, which is so much smaller than League right now. Esports is bigger than mainstream sports in some parts of the world, and has been for some time.
Not acknowledging the level of success esports has achieved already and the trajectory it's on just feels like pessimism to me.
And I acknowledge that League and Dota are more complex than soccer but not more complex than America's favorite sport, not as a spectator. Guy on your team goes forward with ball in football = good. Guy on enemy team dying in Dota = good. Real understanding of both sports requires a lot of time. Unlike NFL football though, anyone with a decent PC can boot up Dota2 and be playing the exact same game they are seeing the pros play. Most people will never have the opportunity to play 11-on-11 full-contact football. In that way it is far more accessible.
I mean look at this. This isn't LCS or TI. This isn't Korea or China. This is San Jose, last week.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xqLE5kc.jpg)
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
On December 10 2014 11:52 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 11:44 BisuDagger wrote:
I heard the deal was contingent on two things:
1. Idra unretires.
2. EG players now only play World of Tanks Idra is on their HotS team now didn't you hear?
HotS is in alpha still. I would hardly call that unretired, but yes I was aware he played at blizzcon.
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how much is the deal worth, do the details have to be disclosed
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This doesn't makes any sense, twitch has nothing to gain from this.
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people say it's bad for one entity to own so much, but because eSports is so small compared to other sports, it really doesn't matter. Esports is at the stage where growth is still important. A major company investing this much is a good thing, because it legitimizes it a LOT in the west. This is a big fucking deal.
Elevating and being legitimized by a top company attracts other top companies to also invest. The capital for other companies to decide they want a piece and purchase a top western team is a pittance compared to the sponsorship costs for many other sports. The attraction Amazon's investment is bringing is worth many times more than a potential (not even close) monopoly. If Amazon did want a monopoly they could try, and that would just give more advertisement for other companies to get involved for the hero PR.
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On December 10 2014 13:19 HomeWorld wrote:
This doesn't makes any sense, twitch has nothing to gain from this.
Amazon now owns EG, Alliance, Team Tinker, CLG, the largest video game broadcasting website in the world, a tournament(Dota 2 League), and a casting studio. They gained a fuckton.
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