On December 10 2014 06:29 Qikz wrote: As someone who doesn't like the contracts twitch give out which locks people into their service I'm not seeing this as a good thing.
Wow, I never knew that twitch has shitty contracts like that. That is very disappointing. I wouldn't have expected that from them. :/
I'd like to hear more about this. I know it's been common for events to have a contract with a streaming service (including Twitch) and I've heard of non-Twitch services contracting individuals but I've never heard of Twitch doing it. Unless this is some part of the "partner" program every streamer with a sub button is in, and I've never heard them even mention it what to speak of complain about it.
On December 10 2014 06:29 Qikz wrote: As someone who doesn't like the contracts twitch give out which locks people into their service I'm not seeing this as a good thing.
Wow, I never knew that twitch has shitty contracts like that. That is very disappointing. I wouldn't have expected that from them. :/
So you liked twitch, but you're disappointed cuz of that random sentence? A wild sentence with basically no information about anything at all? =) It's the internet, ppl will always hate on everything.
On December 10 2014 06:29 Qikz wrote: As someone who doesn't like the contracts twitch give out which locks people into their service I'm not seeing this as a good thing.
Wow, I never knew that twitch has shitty contracts like that. That is very disappointing. I wouldn't have expected that from them. :/
To be fair, I would also want my own players to use my own service while streaming.
On December 10 2014 06:29 Qikz wrote: As someone who doesn't like the contracts twitch give out which locks people into their service I'm not seeing this as a good thing.
Wow, I never knew that twitch has shitty contracts like that. That is very disappointing. I wouldn't have expected that from them. :/
To be fair, I would also want my own players to use my own service while streaming.
That is identical to every major sport or TV should. Production houses make TV shows and then networks lock them down. Its the same with sports.
On December 10 2014 13:19 HomeWorld wrote: This doesn't makes any sense, twitch has nothing to gain from this.
Amazon now owns EG, Alliance, Team Tinker, CLG, the largest video game broadcasting website in the world, a tournament(Dota 2 League), and a casting studio. They gained a fuckton.
holyshit 0_O never realized they had that much.
anyway I think this is a postive thing for the industrie
Well the thing with personalty in esport , if they are a player, is that they loose relevance easy without results. EG has proven this with their LoL Team and to a extend with their sc2 squad but as this is a side game lets focus on the really big one.
They build their Team around Krepo. They let him sell out hard and made commercials, streaming and everything and forgot to care about results. He admitted by himself that his stream numbers are going down and down because of missing results. And you can see this by so many "pro" gamers in so many other games.
Success is needed to keep you in this PR world. You don't have results you are done. This is something Alex still did not learn or he would have invested in EG LoL and not let the Team get a joke. But what he has shown that he did not care about the Game or the Gamers he wants to promote. He milks them and then let them fall if they dont bring what he needs. But he has to provide them things they need to. Ok here comes SC2 and he gave the players all and they kind of dissapointed from my point of view. After this disaster I would just say fuck you all, I milk you and throw you. But LoL and SC2 is not the same.
And the new Dota Clone of Blizzard? I hope all the old people make good money with it. Once the young hungry kids come they will pass out and no one will care. For me its like the candle in the dark. They grab it because it means some attention, some way back into the spotlight. And they gamble hard on the Blizzard Fanbase. They know they will be done once this game gets relevant or even all people can actually play it. So again I whish them only the best but they are not good enough to make it in the actual esport games so they try hard on this. What I do not understand, why did they all not go full on Hearthstone. Just copy decks, not much skill needed, a lot of luck. Its perfect for players that are not able to catch up to the top in any game it seems.
Yeah thats a lot of maybe negativity. But well this blind fanboy cheer hype stuff is annoying.
On December 10 2014 06:29 Qikz wrote: As someone who doesn't like the contracts twitch give out which locks people into their service I'm not seeing this as a good thing.
Wow, I never knew that twitch has shitty contracts like that. That is very disappointing. I wouldn't have expected that from them. :/
To be fair, I would also want my own players to use my own service while streaming.
That is identical to every major sport or TV should. Production houses make TV shows and then networks lock them down. Its the same with sports.
Agreed, just like how some other sponsorship brands make you use/ advertise their gaming products (chairs, mice, logos on uniforms, shout-outs, etc.). The sponsorship comes with the deal that you're going to represent and help sell their brand; simple as that. It's not just free money lol. Plus, nearly all (or all?) of the EG players already use Twitch so it's a moot point, and it's not like any of the other stream services are even remotely comparable to Twitch anyway...
As long as twitch doesn't prevent their teams from playing in tournaments that aren't streamed on twitch (anything on dailymotion or MLG.tv), good for them.
On December 11 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: According to tadL AG wanted a revenue sharing agreement with DreamHack.
lol
Like every professional sports team in the US has with its players and with the league. Not really shocked at all. This will be the fight every team is going to have if they want to stay viable.
On December 11 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: According to tadL AG wanted a revenue sharing agreement with DreamHack.
lol
Like every professional sports team in the US has with its players and with the league. Not really shocked at all. This will be the fight every team is going to have if they want to stay viable.
Essentially this. The more mainstream that gaming becomes the more we'll be witnesses to what capitalization does to everything. The business around esports will be just like the business done in all other markets, and it won't always be pretty from a competitive aspect but it's likely an inevitability.
On December 11 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: According to tadL AG wanted a revenue sharing agreement with DreamHack.
lol
Like every professional sports team in the US has with its players and with the league. Not really shocked at all. This will be the fight every team is going to have if they want to stay viable.
Essentially this. The more mainstream that gaming becomes the more we'll be witnesses to what capitalization does to everything. The business around esports will be just like the business done in all other markets, and it won't always be pretty from a competitive aspect but it's likely an inevitability.
Yeah, I don't really see it as strong arming as much as reminding events that teams support the players that bring them the viewers, and the team and players might deserve a little piece of the pie. Its not like Dream Hack is paying for EG health insurance or the salaries of the players, or the marketing of those players that got them to the point they are at.
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