EPTTwitch acquires Good Game / EG - Page 12
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Tournaments need Players. Players need "teams" aka sponsorship organizations. This is contrasted to major sports leagues where tournaments need teams, and teams need players. The relationship is different. And interestingly, tournaments already have a revenue sharing agreement with players via the in-game ticket prize-pool building mechanism, as well as base prize pool etc. So basically tournaments have very little incentive to suck up to sponsorship organizations. They don't need those organizations to survive. Whereas in major sports leagues those organizations ARE the tournament (more or less) and absolutely cannot be allowed to fail. Hence the differing approach. This is from a dota perspective. It's not really wrong from an SC2 perspective though. Tournaments don't care if it's Liquid`HuK or EG.HuK who is playing, they care that it's a popular player with skill (huehuehue) who will draw viewers. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 11 2014 02:06 FHDH wrote: For the record - and I speak only for myself - I do not believe we need that video posted on every page of this thread. Then what do you believe, nothing? + Show Spoiler + ATHEISTS Seriously though, amazing news for EG. Would be nice to see a big Twitch tourney now  | ||
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Smancer
United States379 Posts
Anyone who has worked for a company and gone through an acquisition knows that it can be a somewhat scary or unstable time. People might start to feel their job is in danger, it could be hard to trust what the acquiring company is communicating, and it just may be uncomfortable for a while. Look for rebranding of logos or team in 1 - 2 months. Look for potentially big roster changes, acquisitions or firings 3 - 6 months down the road. Look for Business model changes 6 - 12 months down the road (for example the way you subscribe to an EG member on twitch). | ||
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StimiLant
United States534 Posts
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On December 11 2014 02:28 Smancer wrote: Just attacking this from a different perspective. Anyone who has worked for a company and gone through an acquisition knows that it can be a somewhat scary or unstable time. People might start to feel their job is in danger, it could be hard to trust what the acquiring company is communicating, and it just may be uncomfortable for a while. Look for rebranding of logos or team in 1 - 2 months. Look for potentially big roster changes, acquisitions or firings 3 - 6 months down the road. Look for Business model changes 6 - 12 months down the road (for example the way you subscribe to an EG member on twitch). I don't think so. Esports is too new. The reason amazon bought twitch in the first place is because the guys running twitch know what they are doing and it would have been pointless for amazon to try and compete. The reason twitch is now buying the GG agency is because the GG agency knows what they are doing and it would be dumb for twitch to try and compete. Sure, things will change in the sense that they will be done on a larger scale due to more resources now being available but I highly doubt that heads are going to roll in the way you see it happening. In fact I think more people will be hired and those already there will assume higher management positions. As far as roster changes are concerned, why would players suddenly find themselves teamless? The players are what makes this whole thing profitable. If anything they will add more players. That is kind of the point..... Don't be surprised if in a year a big chunk of the most popular players across a wide spectrum of games are working for the GG agency in some way shape or form. That is kind of where the scene is heading. if you are a player worth your weight in terms of relevance and exposure, you now have a much higher chance of being compensated fairly and professionally for it. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
Esports is too new. The reason amazon bought twitch in the first place is because the guys running twitch know what they are doing That's a debate in itself :p | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On December 11 2014 02:28 Smancer wrote: Just attacking this from a different perspective. Anyone who has worked for a company and gone through an acquisition knows that it can be a somewhat scary or unstable time. People might start to feel their job is in danger, it could be hard to trust what the acquiring company is communicating, and it just may be uncomfortable for a while. Look for rebranding of logos or team in 1 - 2 months. Look for potentially big roster changes, acquisitions or firings 3 - 6 months down the road. Look for Business model changes 6 - 12 months down the road (for example the way you subscribe to an EG member on twitch). amazon isn't like google who lets you run your own company for 6 months, then comes in to do a re-interview for all your employees, and replaces those that don't pass with regular google employees. actually in this regard, google is lenient compared to other companies. amazon isn't your typical company when it comes to m&a, they actually let their acquisitions have free rein. their hands off approach is a big reason why companies like twitch or zappos have decided to go with them over other buyers. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
On December 11 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: According to tadL AG wanted a revenue sharing agreement with DreamHack. lol Not According to me. If even Richard Lewis talks on this its way known that he tried it with Dreamhack. And I heard it from old friends that are still in good contact with ESL. Its not my fault that you don't know what going on in the background. But esport is shady. People just dont really talk about in public. Source, well check his youtube channel it was maybe on trashtalk or just ask him on trashtalk. He will speak about it and maybe his words have more weight than my for you. Just one other example. Why is Day9 kind of out of business? Because we have better ones? Because we he does not attract people? Or because he acted like a fucking Diva and tournaments did not want to handle his attitude any more? | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On December 10 2014 20:19 Jarree wrote: With games like cs:go bringing 300k+ viewers on twitch (dreamhack), it makes sense for geoff to get in to other games (casting / hosting what ever). SC2 is doing very poorly in terms of growth compared to other games. It's almost a miracle EG hasn't dropped their sc2 yet, they must really like the game / fans etc revolving around it. But with Twitch in the picture, I think viewership becomes a more dominant figure in the equation. I don't think LOTV will change anything in the long term. That being said, it's awesome that EG players are getting a chunk of the money. Even the potentially soon to be gone sc2 team will benefit from it. No doubt EG is and has been the best organization from player's point of view. Not sure what comparing viewers has to do with in this thread. | ||
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1120 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 11 2014 06:13 tadL wrote: Just one other example. Why is Day9 kind of out of business? Because we have better ones? Because we he does not attract people? Or because he acted like a fucking Diva and tournaments did not want to handle his attitude any more? because he got a full time paying job designing games and doesnt have to live on tournament scraps and youtube hits anymore? | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On December 10 2014 06:13 Aeromi wrote: I'm sure this has an impact of Jaedong staying on EG. Wonder if he has equity.. edit: nvm incontrol kind of answers this on his vid. $$$ | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 11 2014 02:04 clickrush wrote: here's incontrol talking about the thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDBUBckL8VQ&list=UUVfL7jmNVQPrBg87X2EHdlw Sounds like Geoff is finally going to get healthcare and benefits instead of being an independent contractor. Also funny that the first thing that EG did was to handout the cash. And based on the second part of the video it seems like Twitch could have just bought the entire infrastructure from under AG at a fraction of the cost. But then its not like either Twitch or Amazon care about their investors money so who cares, money fight! | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On December 11 2014 08:00 Sub40APM wrote: Sounds like Geoff is finally going to get healthcare and benefits instead of being an independent contractor. Also funny that the first thing that EG did was to handout the cash. And based on the second part of the video it seems like Twitch could have just bought the entire infrastructure from under AG at a fraction of the cost. But then its not like either Twitch or Amazon care about their investors money so who cares, money fight! Huh? How do you just...buy it "out from under AG." That actually makes zero sense. Also I cannot understand why some people here thinks Amazon throws money away. Operating with very small profit margins is not the same as not running an intelligent business. It's not that hard to understand. | ||
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