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MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-28 10:50:52
October 28 2017 10:50 GMT
#19621
It's just the impression I have. Maybe, after looking at my own posts, I just miss bardtown lol... It's probably not the the best idea to search for/create a replacement. I'm sure LL could fill the gap.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-28 22:24:08
October 28 2017 22:16 GMT
#19622
Have you seen this video? Or heard about it?
Economic hitman.

"Confessions of an Economic Hitman" - John Parkins
or is this guy on some quack list somewhere so you might ignore it?

www.youtube.com
Video about how big companies control goverments by making sure the goverments makes loan they can never payback. In return they can do whatever they want. Always about profit.



Seen the 2year old study of gmo?
"GMO, Global Alert
www.youtube.com
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-29 00:00:32
October 28 2017 23:39 GMT
#19623
On October 29 2017 07:16 Foxxan wrote:
Seen the 2year old study of gmo?
"GMO, Global Alert
www.youtube.com

That "study" tells you nothing. It's retracted.
Here is a good podcast on the matter. They talk about this "study" at the 16th minute.
https://soundcloud.com/startalk/understanding-gmos-and-the-future-of-food

edit: The wikipedia page, for what it's worth Séralini affair
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-29 00:03:37
October 28 2017 23:41 GMT
#19624
On October 29 2017 07:16 Foxxan wrote:
Have you seen this video? Or heard about it?
Economic hitman.

"Confessions of an Economic Hitman" - John Parkins
or is this guy on some quack list somewhere so you might ignore it?

www.youtube.com
Video about how big companies control goverments by making sure the goverments makes loan they can never payback. In return they can do whatever they want. Always about profit.



Seen the 2year old study of gmo?
"GMO, Global Alert
www.youtube.com


please not the GMO conspiracies again. Just stop getting your education off youtube
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-28 23:51:39
October 28 2017 23:51 GMT
#19625
"International tribunal finds Monsanto guilty of crimes against humanity"
https://www.newstarget.com/2017-05-05-international-tribunal-finds-monsanto-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity.html

User was temp banned for this post.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-29 00:09:13
October 29 2017 00:08 GMT
#19626
A quick advice, when someone uses Comic Sans in an official document and replaces letters with dollar signs it's likely not a legitimate legal organisation
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11875 Posts
October 29 2017 10:46 GMT
#19627
Because nothing else is wrong with a news source which claims to be "obliterating your safe spaces with truth bombs" and also apparently sells food supplements.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 29 2017 11:24 GMT
#19628
His sources and presentation are crap, which is a shame because many credible NGOs fight for things Monsanto is threatening in their opinion.and not just since last week.
food sovereignty, suing farmers who's field is contaminated by their patented seeds, driving third world farmers into abject poverty and so on. Pretty standard stuff for a multinational.
passive quaranstream fan
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-29 12:00:39
October 29 2017 11:59 GMT
#19629
On October 28 2017 07:27 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2017 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:
On October 28 2017 06:13 Sermokala wrote:
On October 28 2017 05:59 Pr0wler wrote:
On October 28 2017 05:45 Sermokala wrote:
On October 28 2017 05:38 Pr0wler wrote:
On October 28 2017 05:34 Sermokala wrote:
On October 28 2017 05:26 Godwrath wrote:
On October 28 2017 05:07 Sermokala wrote:
On October 28 2017 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
[quote]
If you can explain to me how this "referendum" has shown the world a rightful desire for self-determination from a majority of catalonians, sure.

If the spanish government didn't think there was any evidence of this they wouldn't have violently suppressed the referendum. Preventing the evidence from being collected doesn't prove there is no evidence.
We all knew the results from the illegal referendum before it happened. Not because we thought a majority of catalonians wanted independence (that wasn't the case on the plebiscite they lost, but still didn't stop them from pushing their agenda), but because how the referendum was handled.

Now, i hope someone can answer me how you are suppossed to let an illegal referendum to happen, or how a movement on the right spectrum of politics will decide to commit political suicide by not using the tools that the laws provide them. I can find it despicable, but the reason wasn't the result of the referendum, but getting the most capital redit (or atleast limit it to a minimal loss) of a really bad situation for them.

The referendum didn't need to be illegal really these referendums should never be illegal. If they were going to lose anyway the government has no reason to not let them lose again. The only reason why the referendum is Illegal is because the government doesn't want the evidence that they want independence to exist.

No, the reason Madrid doesn't want to allow referendums is not Catalonia. It's the Basque country. If they allow Catalonia to decide their faith with referendum, the basque will use this as an argument to hold a referendum of their own. And the situation there is quite different from the one in Catalonia.

So we're going to not allow self determination to one group of people beacuse it would cause trouble with another group of people?

Nobody is stopping them to determine themselves. They have their language, their flag, their government... But they can't steal land.
I wonder what is your stance on Texas and California ? Should UN intervene(if they could... At this point UN is just a scarecrow), if at some point in the future 50.1% of them decide that they are "different" ?

You can't steal the land you live on. They don't have their government if they are under someone elses laws and their flag is toothless. Scotland has a national football team does Catalonia have a national football team?

If Texas and California serenely want to secede they can and I would hope that other countries would hold us accountable under the same circumstances. They wouldn't as their situations would be entirely different (their economies are much more reliant on the national relationship they have then Catalonia would be) but I would hope that htey would be given that option if it were in any way as serious as Catalonia is.


a bit besides the point but yeah the difference between California+Texas vs Catalonia exists but I'm not even sure which one is worse. An economy that is based on working with the rest of the country or an economy that's based on working with other nations.
Think Brexit times a million, probably for all 3 with suddenly having to look out for themselves and having nothing in place to secure the old trade deals.
Would a potential Catalonia even be part of the EU if it were to happen?

Not sure if this has been asked/answered before. Just got in here and too tired to read pages upon pages, sry

California would run into massive water problems and Texas has well simply put so much oil and military infrastructure. Catalonia would probably want into the EU and it would be a large fight within the eu to see if they'll get in or not. The EU could use a good existential crisis like that to define what its suppose to be afterall.

It would not be I don't think so but its never happened yet so who knows?

In order to become a fully fledged member of the EU, a country needs a unanimous 'yes' vote from all the current member states. Spain is not going to do that for the next fifty years. With severely restricted access to the European Union and most of its companies moving offices to spain, Catalonia would quickly become an economic wasteland and an international parriah.

But hey, at least they'd be independent , so they would've got that going for them.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 29 2017 13:41 GMT
#19630
Results of the Icelandic elections:

[image loading]

Distribution of the 63 seats:

D = Independence Party (ECR): 16
V = Left-Green Movement (NGLA): 11
S = Social Democratic Alliance (S&D): 7
M = Centre Party: 7
B = Progressive Party: 8
P = Pirate Party: 6
F = People's Party: 6
C = Reform Party: 4

The outgoing government (right + centre) lost its majority.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
October 29 2017 18:40 GMT
#19631
On October 29 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Results of the Icelandic elections:

[image loading]

Distribution of the 63 seats:

D = Independence Party (ECR): 16
V = Left-Green Movement (NGLA): 11
S = Social Democratic Alliance (S&D): 7
M = Centre Party: 7
B = Progressive Party: 8
P = Pirate Party: 6
F = People's Party: 6
C = Reform Party: 4

The outgoing government (right + centre) lost its majority.


Parties have such funny names these day, and some might say insidious.

What is the Icelandic Independence Party and what are their key issues?
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 29 2017 18:44 GMT
#19632
On October 30 2017 03:40 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Results of the Icelandic elections:

[image loading]

Distribution of the 63 seats:

D = Independence Party (ECR): 16
V = Left-Green Movement (NGLA): 11
S = Social Democratic Alliance (S&D): 7
M = Centre Party: 7
B = Progressive Party: 8
P = Pirate Party: 6
F = People's Party: 6
C = Reform Party: 4

The outgoing government (right + centre) lost its majority.


Parties have such funny names these day, and some might say insidious.

What is the Icelandic Independence Party and what are their key issues?


Yeah, it begs the question - "Independence from whom?"
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 29 2017 19:50 GMT
#19633
On October 30 2017 03:40 Deleuze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Results of the Icelandic elections:

[image loading]

Distribution of the 63 seats:

D = Independence Party (ECR): 16
V = Left-Green Movement (NGLA): 11
S = Social Democratic Alliance (S&D): 7
M = Centre Party: 7
B = Progressive Party: 8
P = Pirate Party: 6
F = People's Party: 6
C = Reform Party: 4

The outgoing government (right + centre) lost its majority.


Parties have such funny names these day, and some might say insidious.

What is the Icelandic Independence Party and what are their key issues?

Sounds like the traditional center-right/right governmental party, "doesn't want to join the EU" branch.

On October 30 2017 03:44 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 03:40 Deleuze wrote:
On October 29 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Results of the Icelandic elections:

[image loading]

Distribution of the 63 seats:

D = Independence Party (ECR): 16
V = Left-Green Movement (NGLA): 11
S = Social Democratic Alliance (S&D): 7
M = Centre Party: 7
B = Progressive Party: 8
P = Pirate Party: 6
F = People's Party: 6
C = Reform Party: 4

The outgoing government (right + centre) lost its majority.


Parties have such funny names these day, and some might say insidious.

What is the Icelandic Independence Party and what are their key issues?


Yeah, it begs the question - "Independence from whom?"

From Denmark; Iceland used to be linked with it.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 29 2017 22:32 GMT
#19634
I should make a party demanding independence from Austria
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-29 23:51:41
October 29 2017 23:50 GMT
#19635
On October 29 2017 20:24 Artisreal wrote:
His sources and presentation are crap, which is a shame because many credible NGOs fight for things Monsanto is threatening in their opinion.and not just since last week.
food sovereignty, suing farmers who's field is contaminated by their patented seeds, driving third world farmers into abject poverty and so on. Pretty standard stuff for a multinational.


genetically modified crops are an important tool for third world farmers to get their productivity up. It's protectionist "food sovereignty" in Europe and the US that doesn't allow economies to develop that drives third world farmers into poverty.

There's nothing ecological about local farming. buying overpriced 'organic' food is just the worst thing you can do for the third world, the environment, and your own purse
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
October 29 2017 23:54 GMT
#19636
I would doubt that people who buy organic food particularily care about other countries or the minimal impact on their finances.
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
October 30 2017 06:29 GMT
#19637
On October 30 2017 08:50 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2017 20:24 Artisreal wrote:
His sources and presentation are crap, which is a shame because many credible NGOs fight for things Monsanto is threatening in their opinion.and not just since last week.
food sovereignty, suing farmers who's field is contaminated by their patented seeds, driving third world farmers into abject poverty and so on. Pretty standard stuff for a multinational.


genetically modified crops are an important tool for third world farmers to get their productivity up. It's protectionist "food sovereignty" in Europe and the US that doesn't allow economies to develop that drives third world farmers into poverty.

There's nothing ecological about local farming. buying overpriced 'organic' food is just the worst thing you can do for the third world, the environment, and your own purse


You should really read a bit about a subject before speaking about it.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 30 2017 09:17 GMT
#19638
On October 30 2017 08:50 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2017 20:24 Artisreal wrote:
His sources and presentation are crap, which is a shame because many credible NGOs fight for things Monsanto is threatening in their opinion.and not just since last week.
food sovereignty, suing farmers who's field is contaminated by their patented seeds, driving third world farmers into abject poverty and so on. Pretty standard stuff for a multinational.


genetically modified crops are an important tool for third world farmers to get their productivity up. It's protectionist "food sovereignty" in Europe and the US that doesn't allow economies to develop that drives third world farmers into poverty.

There's nothing ecological about local farming. buying overpriced 'organic' food is just the worst thing you can do for the third world, the environment, and your own purse

I'm unsure whether you're mixing up the concept of food sovereignty and patendet seeds?

GMOs are yet to provide an answer to climate change and I've yet to hear about small scale farmers who hail Monsanto & company as the solution for all their problems. In contrast to a varied mix of plant species once the bugs are adapted to roundup you're totally fucked as a farmer and thus consumer.

Even a broad coalition of nations (UNEP) signed off the notion, that large scale industrial farming isn't the solution to food insecurity.
You can read it up in this report. The report is titled "Agriculture at a Crossroads", it's beyond readable with 1700 something pages over 5 volumes and rather detailed. But I've linked the executive summary which entails just 100 odd pages.

The 5 regional as well as the global report can be found here.
The executive summary is just about 25 pages each (+100 for the global report).


There's nothing ecological about local farming. buying overpriced 'organic' food is just the worst thing you can do for the third world, the environment, and your own purse

[Citation needed]
passive quaranstream fan
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
October 30 2017 10:22 GMT
#19639
On October 30 2017 08:50 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2017 20:24 Artisreal wrote:
His sources and presentation are crap, which is a shame because many credible NGOs fight for things Monsanto is threatening in their opinion.and not just since last week.
food sovereignty, suing farmers who's field is contaminated by their patented seeds, driving third world farmers into abject poverty and so on. Pretty standard stuff for a multinational.


genetically modified crops are an important tool for third world farmers to get their productivity up. It's protectionist "food sovereignty" in Europe and the US that doesn't allow economies to develop that drives third world farmers into poverty.

There's nothing ecological about local farming. buying overpriced 'organic' food is just the worst thing you can do for the third world, the environment, and your own purse

How can you even write things like that... The solution is certainly not to trap farmers into GMOs. Less developed countries should be able to protect their agriculture against the nonsensical competition from subsidized agricultures of developed countries.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10903 Posts
October 30 2017 12:37 GMT
#19640
This whole problem has barely anything to do with GMO's?

Rich countries subsidide their farmers so they don't get outcompeted by poorer countries/can make a living, then the rich farmers/countries sell their overproduction to the poor countries for a price the poor countries farmers can't compete with.
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