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They probably just don't have the same definition of unemployment. And as someone that was unemployed during the last 14 monthes and that have been recorded has unemployed for only 2 months (my status before that was to be in CSP, full salary without being unemployed status because my company went bankrupt), these statistics are a joke anyway.
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Maybe the fault is in it stopping at nov/16?
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On October 26 2017 17:39 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 05:07 TheDwf wrote:On October 26 2017 03:43 Nyxisto wrote:Some good news!France's jobless total fell last month by the most on record, Labour Ministry data showed on Tuesday, giving a boost to President Emmanuel Macron's efforts to turn the job market around.
The number of people registered as out of work in mainland France fell by 64,800 in September, the biggest decrease in figures going back to the start of 1996.
The drop, 1.8 percent over one month and 0.5 percent over one year, brought the jobless total to 3,475,600, the lowest level since April.
The improvement lends support to claims from Macron's government that their reform efforts are already beginning to deliver more jobs and growth.
Macron is counting on bringing down France's unemployment, stuck close to 10 percent for years, with an overhaul of labour market rules last month, which is to be followed with a reform of jobless benefits and professional training in the coming
months.
French business confidence has surged since Macron's election in May on a pro-business reform agenda as companies shifted activity up a gear to cope with stronger demand, surveys showed earlier on Tuesday.
With new business flooding in, companies increased headcount in October at the fastest pace in over a decade to cope with growing backlogs, a closely watched monthly purchasing managers survey showed.
Meanwhile, industrial companies report that their capacity is running at the highest levels since before the outbreak of the global financial crisis in 2008 and 2009, a separate quarterly survey from the INSEE statistics agency showed on
Tuesday.
A growing number of companies reported trouble keeping up with demand. Some 32 percent of managers polled said they were facing production bottlenecks.
However, that should be a good sign for the job market as firms will have to take on more workers to meet client demand, potentially further decreasing the number of unemployed. As far as (hard) unemployment goes, nothing is happening since the end of 2014: ![[image loading]](http://img-0.journaldunet.com/jCGEz99TZmn5dU-OMBcIB1yj6gY=/1080x/smart/2321972d5b474314ae7c513bd3b475a9/ccmcms-jdn/10635208.jpg) (Red curve.) Goes up one month, goes down the next. -15k over a year or so.
Macron stresses security, not rights, with Egyptian leader Sisi
Paris (AFP) - French President Emmanuel Macron backed visiting Egyptian leader Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in his country's fight against terrorism on Tuesday and brushed off calls to pressure him on human rights.
The 39-year-old French centrist had faced calls from rights groups to raise torture and political repression in Egypt publicly after the first face-to-face meeting between the pair. But Macron said he would not "give lessons" to a sovereign state.
Instead, Macron stressed how Egypt was a vital partner in the fight against Islamist extremism in the Middle East and Europe, as well as key in the search for lasting political solutions in war-wracked Libya and Syria.
"The first battle that we have in common is the fight against terrorism," Macron said during a joint press conference which underlined their common purpose against extremists that have claimed hundreds of victims in both countries.
Macron said he had stated that combating extremism "should be carried out with respect for the rule of law and human rights," but declined to criticise Sisi's record since he seized power in 2013.
As French president Macron said, "I would not accept that another leader gave me lessons about how to govern my country... I believe in the sovereignty of states and I am not here to give lessons without taking account of the context."
The former investment banker, elected in May, has promised a pragmatic, results-oriented foreign policy, but also one that sees France uphold its historic mission of defending human rights.
Egypt is a major buyer of French military equipment with orders worth more than 5.0 billion euros ($5.8 billion) since 2015.
They include an order for 24 fighter jets from the Rafale series for which France had long struggled to find a buyer.
French Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire said Tuesday that Macron and Sisi would discuss the possibility of further Rafale orders.
"If there can be new contracts, all the better," he told Europe 1 radio.
(...) SourceContinuity in cynism from Macron. Vénézuela is a dictatorship—despite elections happening and won by the government—but Saudi Arabia and Egypt are not? Oh, but I forgot: they are our clients, it changes everything! Poor France, prostituting itself to sell weapons! Where exactly is that chart from? Unemployment is actually lower than in 1996 yet the chart shows it as higher. It's also lower than in 2014 according to eurostat. http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/quickview.do;jsessionid=55F111D210062F3D304BD0FF6C94B673?SERIES_KEY=132.STS.M.FR.S.UNEH.RTT000.4.000&resetSettings.x=0&resetSettings.y=0&start=&end=&trans=N
From our own national agency (Pôle emploi), so the definition of "unemployed" is probably different.
On October 26 2017 18:48 schaf wrote:
Maybe the fault is in it stopping at nov/16?
November 2016 is the penultimate measure, and the unity is 10 months, so the last figure is Septembre 2017. It appears on the site, but not on the pasted image for some reason.
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On October 26 2017 17:39 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 05:07 TheDwf wrote:On October 26 2017 03:43 Nyxisto wrote:Some good news!France's jobless total fell last month by the most on record, Labour Ministry data showed on Tuesday, giving a boost to President Emmanuel Macron's efforts to turn the job market around.
The number of people registered as out of work in mainland France fell by 64,800 in September, the biggest decrease in figures going back to the start of 1996.
The drop, 1.8 percent over one month and 0.5 percent over one year, brought the jobless total to 3,475,600, the lowest level since April.
The improvement lends support to claims from Macron's government that their reform efforts are already beginning to deliver more jobs and growth.
Macron is counting on bringing down France's unemployment, stuck close to 10 percent for years, with an overhaul of labour market rules last month, which is to be followed with a reform of jobless benefits and professional training in the coming
months.
French business confidence has surged since Macron's election in May on a pro-business reform agenda as companies shifted activity up a gear to cope with stronger demand, surveys showed earlier on Tuesday.
With new business flooding in, companies increased headcount in October at the fastest pace in over a decade to cope with growing backlogs, a closely watched monthly purchasing managers survey showed.
Meanwhile, industrial companies report that their capacity is running at the highest levels since before the outbreak of the global financial crisis in 2008 and 2009, a separate quarterly survey from the INSEE statistics agency showed on
Tuesday.
A growing number of companies reported trouble keeping up with demand. Some 32 percent of managers polled said they were facing production bottlenecks.
However, that should be a good sign for the job market as firms will have to take on more workers to meet client demand, potentially further decreasing the number of unemployed. As far as (hard) unemployment goes, nothing is happening since the end of 2014: (Red curve.) Goes up one month, goes down the next. -15k over a year or so.
Macron stresses security, not rights, with Egyptian leader Sisi
Paris (AFP) - French President Emmanuel Macron backed visiting Egyptian leader Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in his country's fight against terrorism on Tuesday and brushed off calls to pressure him on human rights.
The 39-year-old French centrist had faced calls from rights groups to raise torture and political repression in Egypt publicly after the first face-to-face meeting between the pair. But Macron said he would not "give lessons" to a sovereign state.
Instead, Macron stressed how Egypt was a vital partner in the fight against Islamist extremism in the Middle East and Europe, as well as key in the search for lasting political solutions in war-wracked Libya and Syria.
"The first battle that we have in common is the fight against terrorism," Macron said during a joint press conference which underlined their common purpose against extremists that have claimed hundreds of victims in both countries.
Macron said he had stated that combating extremism "should be carried out with respect for the rule of law and human rights," but declined to criticise Sisi's record since he seized power in 2013.
As French president Macron said, "I would not accept that another leader gave me lessons about how to govern my country... I believe in the sovereignty of states and I am not here to give lessons without taking account of the context."
The former investment banker, elected in May, has promised a pragmatic, results-oriented foreign policy, but also one that sees France uphold its historic mission of defending human rights.
Egypt is a major buyer of French military equipment with orders worth more than 5.0 billion euros ($5.8 billion) since 2015.
They include an order for 24 fighter jets from the Rafale series for which France had long struggled to find a buyer.
French Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire said Tuesday that Macron and Sisi would discuss the possibility of further Rafale orders.
"If there can be new contracts, all the better," he told Europe 1 radio.
(...) SourceContinuity in cynism from Macron. Vénézuela is a dictatorship—despite elections happening and won by the government—but Saudi Arabia and Egypt are not? Oh, but I forgot: they are our clients, it changes everything! Poor France, prostituting itself to sell weapons! Where exactly is that chart from? Unemployment is actually lower than in 1996 yet the chart shows it as higher. It's also lower than in 2014 according to eurostat. http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/quickview.do;jsessionid=55F111D210062F3D304BD0FF6C94B673?SERIES_KEY=132.STS.M.FR.S.UNEH.RTT000.4.000&resetSettings.x=0&resetSettings.y=0&start=&end=&trans=N
TheDwf's chart is in absolute numbers it seems, whereas normally people discuss unemployment as a % of workforce. France had 59M people in 1996 vs 67M now.
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On October 26 2017 22:06 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2017 17:39 RvB wrote:On October 26 2017 05:07 TheDwf wrote:On October 26 2017 03:43 Nyxisto wrote:Some good news!France's jobless total fell last month by the most on record, Labour Ministry data showed on Tuesday, giving a boost to President Emmanuel Macron's efforts to turn the job market around.
The number of people registered as out of work in mainland France fell by 64,800 in September, the biggest decrease in figures going back to the start of 1996.
The drop, 1.8 percent over one month and 0.5 percent over one year, brought the jobless total to 3,475,600, the lowest level since April.
The improvement lends support to claims from Macron's government that their reform efforts are already beginning to deliver more jobs and growth.
Macron is counting on bringing down France's unemployment, stuck close to 10 percent for years, with an overhaul of labour market rules last month, which is to be followed with a reform of jobless benefits and professional training in the coming
months.
French business confidence has surged since Macron's election in May on a pro-business reform agenda as companies shifted activity up a gear to cope with stronger demand, surveys showed earlier on Tuesday.
With new business flooding in, companies increased headcount in October at the fastest pace in over a decade to cope with growing backlogs, a closely watched monthly purchasing managers survey showed.
Meanwhile, industrial companies report that their capacity is running at the highest levels since before the outbreak of the global financial crisis in 2008 and 2009, a separate quarterly survey from the INSEE statistics agency showed on
Tuesday.
A growing number of companies reported trouble keeping up with demand. Some 32 percent of managers polled said they were facing production bottlenecks.
However, that should be a good sign for the job market as firms will have to take on more workers to meet client demand, potentially further decreasing the number of unemployed. As far as (hard) unemployment goes, nothing is happening since the end of 2014: (Red curve.) Goes up one month, goes down the next. -15k over a year or so.
Macron stresses security, not rights, with Egyptian leader Sisi
Paris (AFP) - French President Emmanuel Macron backed visiting Egyptian leader Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in his country's fight against terrorism on Tuesday and brushed off calls to pressure him on human rights.
The 39-year-old French centrist had faced calls from rights groups to raise torture and political repression in Egypt publicly after the first face-to-face meeting between the pair. But Macron said he would not "give lessons" to a sovereign state.
Instead, Macron stressed how Egypt was a vital partner in the fight against Islamist extremism in the Middle East and Europe, as well as key in the search for lasting political solutions in war-wracked Libya and Syria.
"The first battle that we have in common is the fight against terrorism," Macron said during a joint press conference which underlined their common purpose against extremists that have claimed hundreds of victims in both countries.
Macron said he had stated that combating extremism "should be carried out with respect for the rule of law and human rights," but declined to criticise Sisi's record since he seized power in 2013.
As French president Macron said, "I would not accept that another leader gave me lessons about how to govern my country... I believe in the sovereignty of states and I am not here to give lessons without taking account of the context."
The former investment banker, elected in May, has promised a pragmatic, results-oriented foreign policy, but also one that sees France uphold its historic mission of defending human rights.
Egypt is a major buyer of French military equipment with orders worth more than 5.0 billion euros ($5.8 billion) since 2015.
They include an order for 24 fighter jets from the Rafale series for which France had long struggled to find a buyer.
French Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire said Tuesday that Macron and Sisi would discuss the possibility of further Rafale orders.
"If there can be new contracts, all the better," he told Europe 1 radio.
(...) SourceContinuity in cynism from Macron. Vénézuela is a dictatorship—despite elections happening and won by the government—but Saudi Arabia and Egypt are not? Oh, but I forgot: they are our clients, it changes everything! Poor France, prostituting itself to sell weapons! Where exactly is that chart from? Unemployment is actually lower than in 1996 yet the chart shows it as higher. It's also lower than in 2014 according to eurostat. http://sdw.ecb.europa.eu/quickview.do;jsessionid=55F111D210062F3D304BD0FF6C94B673?SERIES_KEY=132.STS.M.FR.S.UNEH.RTT000.4.000&resetSettings.x=0&resetSettings.y=0&start=&end=&trans=N TheDwf's chart is in absolute numbers it seems, whereas normally people discuss unemployment as a % of workforce. France had 59M people in 1996 vs 67M now.
Moreover a large portion (even the majority) of France is not in metropolitan areas. Therefore those stats are virtually irrelivant. Sauf si tu viens de Paris.
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Isn't "France métropolitaine" mainland France (as in the part on the European continent), not literally 'metropolitan france'?
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as far as i was aware that means cities... I very much could be wrong, if I am then I'm sure people will let me know. This did not seem to be DOM...
edit: I think that I'm profoundely wrong and should have paid more attention to geography lessons (I did science/accounting "diplomas).. mb
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On October 22 2017 02:41 Yurie wrote:
Can't they not form a coalition and get the government and PM post anyway? Talk their way up to 101 votes and then form a minority government where they lean on different parties in different areas. Instead of leaning on the same parties for all issues.
I have to concede that you were right. Babiš announced today that he wants to form a minority government and ask for a broad support based on policies. Well, let's see how that goes.
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Oligarchs tend to quickly forget any “populist” roots they ever had. I expect he will be the most loyalest EU man ever in four or so months.
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On October 27 2017 21:26 LegalLord wrote:
Oligarchs tend to quickly forget any “populist” roots they ever had. I expect he will be the most loyalest EU man ever in four or so months.
An unusual sighting of optimism from LegalLord here.
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On October 27 2017 20:40 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2017 02:41 Yurie wrote:
Can't they not form a coalition and get the government and PM post anyway? Talk their way up to 101 votes and then form a minority government where they lean on different parties in different areas. Instead of leaning on the same parties for all issues. I have to concede that you were right. Babiš announced today that he wants to form a minority government and ask for a broad support based on policies. Well, let's see how that goes.
How many votes does the ANO lack to have the majority if everyone votes?
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On October 27 2017 22:18 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 20:40 opisska wrote:On October 22 2017 02:41 Yurie wrote:
Can't they not form a coalition and get the government and PM post anyway? Talk their way up to 101 votes and then form a minority government where they lean on different parties in different areas. Instead of leaning on the same parties for all issues. I have to concede that you were right. Babiš announced today that he wants to form a minority government and ask for a broad support based on policies. Well, let's see how that goes. How many votes does the ANO lack to have the majority if everyone votes?
They have 78 out of 200, so they lack 23 votes. SPD is kinda proclaiming support for ANO, which ANO however doesn't want, because even for them being associated with SPD could be hurtful, but it is interesting to note that ANO+SPD=100 votes, so they need just one more person.
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Catalan parliament just voted for independence
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On October 27 2017 22:28 Zaros wrote:
Catalan parliament just voted for independence
now that's gonna be interesting
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On October 27 2017 22:28 Zaros wrote:
Catalan parliament just voted for independence
Good job Rajoy! A true tactical genius!
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On October 27 2017 21:35 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 21:26 LegalLord wrote:
Oligarchs tend to quickly forget any “populist” roots they ever had. I expect he will be the most loyalest EU man ever in four or so months. An unusual sighting of optimism from LegalLord here.
At least in Russia, murderous kleptocratic thugs keep being murderous kleptocratic thugs when they get to power. Eurosissies...
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On October 27 2017 04:20 Nyxisto wrote:
Isn't "France métropolitaine" mainland France (as in the part on the European continent), not literally 'metropolitan france'?
Here are the facts
France superficy : 675 417 km²
Metropolitan France (INCLUDING CORSE) : 543 965 km²
Now in therm of population
Total : 66 990 856 (June 2k17)
Out of Metropolitan France : 2.21 Millions
So i guess we can answer Yes 
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On October 27 2017 22:32 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2017 22:28 Zaros wrote:
Catalan parliament just voted for independence now that's gonna be interesting
Well, no.
In fact this is a lot of noise for not so many things
Rajoy will take control of Catalogna
Waiting for new Election
Result will be : NO INDEPENDANCY
Why ? only 43% of ppl vote on the 1st referendum, & ppl who vote was 93% for the independancy.
On real election, More ppl will go vote & the NO will pass.
My thoughs
End of the game
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Maybe it's because some of us rely on different sources, but I don't get why some think things in Catalonia can escalate to a worrying level. To me, it seems like the separatists "tried too hard" and failed because they had no legal arguments or enough public support to be taken seriously. I don't expect any huge riots in the near future, even if Madrid handles the takeover extremely poorly.
Can I get a clarification on this from Spanish (or Catalan xD) posters? Is the independence movement serious or are they just a bunch of crazies trying to force the majority to do something it doesn't want?
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EPT
