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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 07 2017 05:58 GMT
#15161
On April 07 2017 07:19 lastpuritan wrote:
Is there a good article on Gibraltar case? Preferably objective...


I only read it in Czech newspapers, so I have no useful source for nonspeakers. Hope its not fake news, there was ministry of foreign affairs quoted directly.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
April 07 2017 07:26 GMT
#15162
On April 07 2017 02:15 Shield wrote:
The EU is dropping roaming charges. Good decision.

As I understand, first step is only for voice and SMS, but step in the right direction.

In between all the drama, some great news for consumers in the EU!
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
April 07 2017 08:45 GMT
#15163
On April 07 2017 07:19 lastpuritan wrote:
Is there a good article on Gibraltar case? Preferably objective...


I don't know about articles, but the UK government seems determined to keep Gibraltar. Spain can't challenge the UK in military, but war isn't an outcome you expect.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 13:00:02
April 07 2017 11:13 GMT
#15164
On page 8 of the EU’s draft negotiating guidelines;

"After the United Kingdom leaves the Union, no agreement between the EU and the United Kingdom may apply to the territory of Gibraltar without the agreement between the Kingdom of Spain and the United Kingdom."

The people's of Gilbraltar's living standard are completely dependent on access to the EU, which is why they voted 96% to remain in the EU. Simply put, Spain will have a veto over the future of Gilbraltar's relationship with the EU. This turned into an issue, as the former conservative leader, Michael Howard, during an interview with SKY news, said that UK would go to war to protect Gilbraltar from invasion, in the same way UK went to war to protect the Falklands from invasion. This is somewhat bizarre as the SKY interviewer noticed, as Spain is not threatening invasion, but a political action. In essence, he is threatening military action to preserve what would be preferential access to the EU for the people of Gilbraltar.

There is no partisan sides to take in the Gilbraltar debate, it's just Michael Howard, who would normally be irrelevant as a nominally retired politician, talking shit. Seems to be the current conservative party modus operandi in "negotiating" with the EU.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 13:24 GMT
#15165
So what do the Europeans think of the Syria issue and Trump launching missiles?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 07 2017 13:41 GMT
#15166
On April 07 2017 22:24 LegalLord wrote:
So what do the Europeans think of the Syria issue and Trump launching missiles?

Reactions in France:

Government: this means that we were right in 2013, Assad is the main and only responsible for what happened
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad
Le Pen: surprised/disappointed at Trump's reaction [lol @ the fools who thought that Trump would be isolationnist!], says we should wait the conclusions of the investigations
Fillon: understands Trump's reaction but worries about the possibility of a generalized conflict between the Western world and Russia/Iran
Mélenchon: blamed Hollande/Merkel for supporting Trump's unilateral action, says we shouldn't accept that he decides alone to intervene on his own
Hamon: see government
Dupont-Aignan: doesn't want to see the Iraq/Libya scenario again, says we should wait the conclusions of the investigations
Far-left: f*ck Assad, ISIS and imperialist interventions

Basically, mostly criticisms at Trump's unilateral action and calls for actions within the UN framework... except our hawkish government, still mad at Obama's refusal to intervene in 2013.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 13:45:55
April 07 2017 13:44 GMT
#15167
Stockholm incident: Lorry rams people
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39531108

"Police are treating the incident as possible terrorism"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 07 2017 13:48 GMT
#15168
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 07 2017 13:49 GMT
#15169
On April 07 2017 22:24 LegalLord wrote:
So what do the Europeans think of the Syria issue and Trump launching missiles?


Czech political scene surprisingly united for once, both government and democratic opposition support Trump in this, only communists unsurprisingly negative and the president (you probably know him from the annual meeting of Russian shills) is reserved.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1988 Posts
April 07 2017 13:50 GMT
#15170
On April 07 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad


I'm really sad that this man is probably going to become president.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 13:52:35
April 07 2017 13:52 GMT
#15171
On April 07 2017 22:24 LegalLord wrote:
So what do the Europeans think of the Syria issue and Trump launching missiles?



Trump's way of saying that he still holds power, and that he is not just empty treats and promises.

tbh I'm not really a fan of disposing Assad. If Assad goes, it is very likely that Syria becomes an extremist islamic state.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 13:55 GMT
#15172
On April 07 2017 22:50 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad


I'm really sad that this man is probably going to become president.

In the dying gasp of the EU, its last leaders are going to desperately hold onto what led to the problem in the first place. This is nothing out of the ordinary.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
April 07 2017 13:59 GMT
#15173
On April 07 2017 22:55 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 22:50 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad


I'm really sad that this man is probably going to become president.

In the dying gasp of the EU, its last leaders are going to desperately hold onto what led to the problem in the first place. This is nothing out of the ordinary.


So we shouldn't fight ISIS?
Or which part of Macron's quote do you two have a problem with?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 07 2017 14:00 GMT
#15174
On April 07 2017 22:59 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 22:55 LegalLord wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:50 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad


I'm really sad that this man is probably going to become president.

In the dying gasp of the EU, its last leaders are going to desperately hold onto what led to the problem in the first place. This is nothing out of the ordinary.


So we shouldn't fight ISIS?
Or which part of Macron's quote do you two have a problem with?

Every other part?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10836 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-07 14:07:40
April 07 2017 14:06 GMT
#15175
On April 07 2017 23:00 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 22:59 Laurens wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:55 LegalLord wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:50 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad


I'm really sad that this man is probably going to become president.

In the dying gasp of the EU, its last leaders are going to desperately hold onto what led to the problem in the first place. This is nothing out of the ordinary.


So we shouldn't fight ISIS?
Or which part of Macron's quote do you two have a problem with?

Every other part?


Your against... international coordination?

Wat?
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
April 07 2017 14:09 GMT
#15176
On April 07 2017 23:06 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 23:00 LegalLord wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:59 Laurens wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:55 LegalLord wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:50 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad


I'm really sad that this man is probably going to become president.

In the dying gasp of the EU, its last leaders are going to desperately hold onto what led to the problem in the first place. This is nothing out of the ordinary.


So we shouldn't fight ISIS?
Or which part of Macron's quote do you two have a problem with?

Every other part?


Your against... international coordination?

Wat?


International coordination against Assad
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 07 2017 14:10 GMT
#15177
Can you guys not respond to his trolling? I don't say ignoring him completely, but "EU is dying" one-liners really do deserve some good pretending of nonexistence.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9269 Posts
April 07 2017 14:11 GMT
#15178
Our government expressed their full support. I think it's a nice PR stunt by Trump. Don't expect nor want the US to actually try to remove Assad. The chance to replace him with someone more accetpable passed long time ago.
You're now breathing manually
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
April 07 2017 14:12 GMT
#15179
On April 07 2017 23:11 Sent. wrote:
Our government expressed their full support. I think it's a nice PR stunt by Trump. Don't expect nor want the US to actually try to remove Assad. The chance to replace him with someone more accetpable passed long time ago.


Fully agree.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
April 07 2017 14:12 GMT
#15180
On April 07 2017 22:55 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 22:50 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 07 2017 22:41 TheDwf wrote:
Macron: Assad is the enemy of the Syrian people and he'll have to face international justice, but fighting ISIS is priority; also calls for a coordinated, international action in retaliation against Assad


I'm really sad that this man is probably going to become president.

In the dying gasp of the EU, its last leaders are going to desperately hold onto what led to the problem in the first place. This is nothing out of the ordinary.

I wasn't aware the EU was suddenly dying, interesting point of view.
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