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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6266 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 14:31:25
January 27 2016 14:28 GMT
#8081
Who are you anyway? You come into this thread with a totally off topic comment just to start a debate and then you're just a condescending prick.

The EU executive concluded on Wednesday that Greece could face new border controls with other states of the free-travel Schengen zone in May if it does not fix "serious deficiencies" in its management of the area's external frontier.

"If the necessary action is not being taken and deficiencies persist, there is a possibility to ... allow member states to temporarily close their borders," European Commission Vice President Vice President told a news briefing after the executive accepted a report that Athens had "seriously neglected" its obligations to fellow Schengen states.

The move is part of a process in which EU governments aim to give them the option of reinstalling controls on their national borders for up to two years, once short-term derogations currently in place expire in May.

Following the arrival of more than a million irregular migrants in the European Union last year, most of them via Turkey into Greece from where they trekked northward to Germany, other EU member states have instituted emergency controls on their internal Schengen borders and have warned that they might effectively suspend Athens from the passport-free travel zone.

In practice, Greece has no land borders with the rest of the Schengen zone, so installing new frontier checks would affect only air and sea ports. Diplomats and officials have described the move to penalize tourism-dependent Greece as a means of raising pressure on Athens to implement EU measures intended to identify and register all those arriving from Turkey.

EU officials carried out an assessment mission to Greece in November, leading to Wednesday's conclusion that there were "serious deficiencies" in Greek frontier control -- a key phrase in allowing other member states to impose longer-term restrictions on travelers arriving from Greece.

Such measures, under the never before used Article 26 of the Schengen code, can be taken for up to six months and can be renewed up to three times. EU officials concede that the Schengen rules do not make clear what might happen after that.

Dombrovskis said that the Commission was intent on preserving Schengen, one of the EU's key achievements, and said Greece had made improvements in its border controls since November. These were not enough, however, and the EU would continue to work to help Athens tighten its procedures.

The next step in the process would be for Schengen member states -- 26 countries, most but not all of which are in the EU -- to confirm the Commission's conclusions. That requires a majority vote. The executive would then recommend remedial measures and assess by May whether Athens had complied.

"The draft report concludes that Greece seriously neglected its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border control that must be overcome ... by the Greek authorities," Dombrovskis said.

"Since November, Greece has started to work toward complying with the Schengen rules but more needs to be done."

uk.reuters.com
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15362 Posts
January 27 2016 14:28 GMT
#8082
Alright can you guys take this to PMs please, this is off-topic.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 17:30:32
January 27 2016 17:30 GMT
#8083
So, how are things going in Germany and the rest of Europe with the millions of migrants already there and the other millions soon to arrive?

https://www.facebook.com/DisdainForPlebs/videos/vb.754734577940325/981893658557748/?type=2&theater
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2715 Posts
January 27 2016 18:48 GMT
#8084
Not very well obviously. Shame you guys aren't doing anything to help considering you caused half of this mess, give or take.

22 year old girl working in a home for underage refuges (thinking if I should put " on underage but whatever) was killed two days ago in Sweden by a 15 year old refuge.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
January 27 2016 18:49 GMT
#8085
Is this just trolling or do you seriously go on facebook, see the channel "disdain for plebs" and then think "this is totally where I'm going to get my political information from.." ?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2016 19:13 GMT
#8086
If you want to see the most terrible of any given group, go to social media and someone will serve it up for you with a legion of people who agree it applies to everyone in that group.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
January 27 2016 19:26 GMT
#8087
I won't even click that post and still know that it'll be trump-level bullshit.
On track to MA1950A.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 20:38:57
January 27 2016 20:38 GMT
#8088
The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep.

Police will be able to seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) from refugees to cover housing and food costs.

MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35406436

I'm kind of surprised that people were outraged when Hungary built a fence to stop illegal immigration but now hardly anyone besides human rights activists gives Denmark shit for confiscating refugees' goods "to pay for their upkeep". The article says Switzerland seizes goods too and I think I remember reading about certain German lands doing that as well.
You're now breathing manually
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
January 27 2016 21:00 GMT
#8089
On January 28 2016 05:38 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep.

Police will be able to seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) from refugees to cover housing and food costs.

MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35406436

I'm kind of surprised that people were outraged when Hungary built a fence to stop illegal immigration but now hardly anyone besides human rights activists gives Denmark shit for confiscating refugees' goods "to pay for their upkeep". The article says Switzerland seizes goods too and I think I remember reading about certain German lands doing that as well.

And they should because they are.......economic migrants!
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22104 Posts
January 27 2016 21:07 GMT
#8090
On January 28 2016 05:38 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep.

Police will be able to seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) from refugees to cover housing and food costs.

MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35406436

I'm kind of surprised that people were outraged when Hungary built a fence to stop illegal immigration but now hardly anyone besides human rights activists gives Denmark shit for confiscating refugees' goods "to pay for their upkeep". The article says Switzerland seizes goods too and I think I remember reading about certain German lands doing that as well.

Because 1) it applies to Danes on welfare aswell
and 2) which war torn refugee who has tracked across half of the middle east has 1.300 euro's worth of stuff with them?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2016 21:08 GMT
#8091
On January 28 2016 06:00 nitram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 05:38 Sent. wrote:
The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep.

Police will be able to seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) from refugees to cover housing and food costs.

MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35406436

I'm kind of surprised that people were outraged when Hungary built a fence to stop illegal immigration but now hardly anyone besides human rights activists gives Denmark shit for confiscating refugees' goods "to pay for their upkeep". The article says Switzerland seizes goods too and I think I remember reading about certain German lands doing that as well.

And they should because they are.......economic migrants!

Yes, because claiming their minimal possessions is totally going to pay for any costs and not result in corruption. Zero chance this will be abused or used by government official to obtain valuables. The best way to assure they pay their way is to take away what they currently have. No possible resentment or bad blood possible. This won’t be abused.

The most amazing part about this is how easily people justify the most spiteful, malicious policies as acceptable because it makes them feel good.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22104 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 21:09:37
January 27 2016 21:09 GMT
#8092
On January 28 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 06:00 nitram wrote:
On January 28 2016 05:38 Sent. wrote:
The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep.

Police will be able to seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) from refugees to cover housing and food costs.

MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35406436

I'm kind of surprised that people were outraged when Hungary built a fence to stop illegal immigration but now hardly anyone besides human rights activists gives Denmark shit for confiscating refugees' goods "to pay for their upkeep". The article says Switzerland seizes goods too and I think I remember reading about certain German lands doing that as well.

And they should because they are.......economic migrants!

Yes, because claiming their minimal possessions is totally going to pay for any costs and not result in corruption. Zero chance this will be abused or used by government official to obtain valuables. The best way to assure they pay their way is to take away what they currently have. No possible resentment or bad blood possible. This won’t be abused.

The most amazing part about this is how easily people justify the most spiteful, malicious policies as acceptable because it makes them feel good.

You realize this very same rule applies to any Dane taking welfare as well right?
or well another rule that does the same
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2016 21:16 GMT
#8093
On January 28 2016 06:09 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:
On January 28 2016 06:00 nitram wrote:
On January 28 2016 05:38 Sent. wrote:
The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep.

Police will be able to seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) from refugees to cover housing and food costs.

MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35406436

I'm kind of surprised that people were outraged when Hungary built a fence to stop illegal immigration but now hardly anyone besides human rights activists gives Denmark shit for confiscating refugees' goods "to pay for their upkeep". The article says Switzerland seizes goods too and I think I remember reading about certain German lands doing that as well.

And they should because they are.......economic migrants!

Yes, because claiming their minimal possessions is totally going to pay for any costs and not result in corruption. Zero chance this will be abused or used by government official to obtain valuables. The best way to assure they pay their way is to take away what they currently have. No possible resentment or bad blood possible. This won’t be abused.

The most amazing part about this is how easily people justify the most spiteful, malicious policies as acceptable because it makes them feel good.

You realize this very same rule applies to any Dane taking welfare as well right?
or well another rule that does the same

Ah, that is fine as long as they go through the same process and are treated the same. I’m not familiar with the how the process works, but I assume it is overseen and regulated if it’s so common.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2715 Posts
January 27 2016 21:30 GMT
#8094
If it works like in Sweden they check how much money you have ad your valubles like ownibg a house or a car and then you have to use that money and sell your stuff before you get anything.

Afaik the refuge law is a bit different in that they size assets (only cash) over 1300 euros and then use it to pay a fixed ammount over time untill you either can provide for yourself or you leave at which point you get back whats left.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2016 21:37 GMT
#8095
It now makes perfect sense why this didn’t any coverage but the fence did.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 27 2016 22:01 GMT
#8096
Yeah, this is a terrible idea. Respecting property rights is one of the fundamental rules of modern civilization. As opposed as I am to accepting Syrian refugees, this is by far one of the worst ways to deal with them.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 22:09:42
January 27 2016 22:08 GMT
#8097
On January 28 2016 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
Yeah, this is a terrible idea. Respecting property rights is one of the fundamental rules of modern civilization. As opposed as I am to accepting Syrian refugees, this is by far one of the worst ways to deal with them.

Eh, many countries require you to use your own means before you are able to receive unemployment benefits/student loans etc. This doesn't seem too far removed from that.
If it's implemented this way, I don't see why it's wrong or morally repulsive.

E: apparently cuddlecutekitten said that already and reading is hard
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 27 2016 22:20 GMT
#8098
On January 28 2016 07:01 LegalLord wrote:
Yeah, this is a terrible idea. Respecting property rights is one of the fundamental rules of modern civilization. As opposed as I am to accepting Syrian refugees, this is by far one of the worst ways to deal with them.

If it applies to Danes receiving welfare as well, I see no problems with it. In this circumstance they appear to have as much property rights as a Danish citizen.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2016 22:24 GMT
#8099
If it’s the same system that is applied to non-refugees, I doubt the government is going to be seizing family artifacts of value or any of the things we dream up in our imagination. It is going to be money, liquid assets or other things of value. Not their grandfathers 50 year old antique camera that happens to be appraised at a high value.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22104 Posts
January 27 2016 22:34 GMT
#8100
On January 28 2016 07:24 Plansix wrote:
If it’s the same system that is applied to non-refugees, I doubt the government is going to be seizing family artifacts of value or any of the things we dream up in our imagination. It is going to be money, liquid assets or other things of value. Not their grandfathers 50 year old antique camera that happens to be appraised at a high value.

Items of sentimental value are not counted so their not going to take wedding rings ect.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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