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On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it.
This specific story also tells us about another problem. The teacher was wearing a kippa. In the street. So now, think about this: wearing a veil is bad (and this topic is hot for like 10 years, far before all terrorisms problems), u r a bad french etc. but wearing a kippa is fine. We talk about religious signs to blame on veil and such, but in the end, it only hits muslims, not all religions in France. It appears that only one community is targeted. How should muslims interpret that?
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@nitback: Your argument doesn't make any sense. So you say, we should deport them, because these are too many men, and that could become a problem, because of the conflicts that will arise from too many men on too few women? That is a problem now, I agree, but of course we can't, and no sane person on earth should, deport them back to a warzone or to a miserable life because of that. Most of them are here because they are the scouts for their family. And if they are willing to live here and the time and the situation is right, their families will come too. I assume that will balance the sexes somewhat if not whole.
The real question is: Can they arrange themselves with our culture, so that they can feel at home here or not. If not - they should go. And in some cases they must. Refugees: stitch yourself up here, heal yourselves, think and feel it through, if the life her is really the thing you want, besides all our differences in culture. Don't look only at the rich side of Germany,
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French laws don't prohibit veils or kippas in the street.
They are both equally prohibited in public or semi-public schools.
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On January 13 2016 17:03 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it. This specific story also tells us about another problem. The teacher was wearing a kippa. In the street. So now, think about this: wearing a veil is bad (and this topic is hot for like 10 years, far before all terrorisms problems), u r a bad french etc. but wearing a kippa is fine. We talk about religious signs to blame on veil and such, but in the end, it only hits muslims, not all religions in France. It appears that only one community is targeted. How should muslims interpret that?
If french laws are anything like german laws (which i'm sure they are), every religious symbol is prohibited in a class room (except catholic schools). That's where stuff like kippas, veils, burkas, head scarfs (and for your information, crucifixes) and what not are prohibited.
Outside of class rooms, there's no prohibition on anything like that. So what muslims should do is not listen to people like you, throwing half truths around. That's what they should do.
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On January 13 2016 20:18 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 17:03 Furikawari wrote:On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it. This specific story also tells us about another problem. The teacher was wearing a kippa. In the street. So now, think about this: wearing a veil is bad (and this topic is hot for like 10 years, far before all terrorisms problems), u r a bad french etc. but wearing a kippa is fine. We talk about religious signs to blame on veil and such, but in the end, it only hits muslims, not all religions in France. It appears that only one community is targeted. How should muslims interpret that? If french laws are anything like german laws (which i'm sure they are), every religious symbol is prohibited in a class room (except catholic schools). That's where stuff like kippas, veils, burkas, head scarfs (and for your information, crucifixes) and what not are prohibited. Outside of class rooms, there's no prohibition on anything like that. So what muslims should do is not listen to people like you, throwing half truths around. That's what they should do.
You have ever been in a bavarian school?
Let's quote:
Bayerische Erziehungs- und Unterrichtsgesetz Art. 7 Abs. 3 Satz 1: „Angesichts der geschichtlichen und kulturellen Prägung Bayerns wird in jedem Klassenraum ein Kreuz angebracht.“
Bavarian Educationlaw: Due to the historic and cultural character of bavaria, a crucifix is to be placed in every class room.
Students are allowed to sue against that, causing the crucifix to be removed. But even those cases usually went to the higher courts and not all ended with the crucifxes to be removed.
This is very different from "are prohibited in class rooms".
Edit: While we are at it: in 2015 the German constitutional court ruled, that banning headscarfs at schools is illegal 
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Religious symbols are prohibited in all public schools in France, even kids can't show any religious symbols (the veil, the cross, the turban are forbidden).
On January 13 2016 17:03 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it. This specific story also tells us about another problem. The teacher was wearing a kippa. In the street. So now, think about this: wearing a veil is bad (and this topic is hot for like 10 years, far before all terrorisms problems), u r a bad french etc. but wearing a kippa is fine. We talk about religious signs to blame on veil and such, but in the end, it only hits muslims, not all religions in France. It appears that only one community is targeted. How should muslims interpret that?
Full of shit post, who argue that wearing the veil is bad ?
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On January 13 2016 20:52 WhiteDog wrote:
Full of shit post, who argue that wearing the veil is bad ?
You're post are always low level but this one gets the golden palm. Or maybe you dont live in France?
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On January 13 2016 21:20 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 20:52 WhiteDog wrote:
Full of shit post, who argue that wearing the veil is bad ? You're post are always low level but this one gets the golden palm. Or maybe you dont live in France?
I live in France, tell me who says that the veil in the street is a problem that we should prevent please, aside from some isolated individuals. The burqa is not the veil, just saying, and the veil in public infrastructure, for public workers, is not the same as the veil in the street.
By the way, the only party who expressed a desire to forbid the veil in the street is the FN, and they want to forbid the veil and the kippa, both, not just the veil. When laws are made, they never make any differences between the kippa and the veil.
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The European Commission has opened an unprecedented inquiry into whether new Polish laws break EU democracy rules.
The step comes after President Andrzej Duda approved controversial laws enabling the conservative Law and Justice (PiS) government to appoint the heads of public TV and radio, and choose judges for Poland's constitutional court.
Addressing the Polish parliament on Wednesday, Prime Minister Beata Szydlo denied that her government had violated democratic norms.
www.bbc.com
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On January 13 2016 20:33 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 20:18 m4ini wrote:On January 13 2016 17:03 Furikawari wrote:On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it. This specific story also tells us about another problem. The teacher was wearing a kippa. In the street. So now, think about this: wearing a veil is bad (and this topic is hot for like 10 years, far before all terrorisms problems), u r a bad french etc. but wearing a kippa is fine. We talk about religious signs to blame on veil and such, but in the end, it only hits muslims, not all religions in France. It appears that only one community is targeted. How should muslims interpret that? If french laws are anything like german laws (which i'm sure they are), every religious symbol is prohibited in a class room (except catholic schools). That's where stuff like kippas, veils, burkas, head scarfs (and for your information, crucifixes) and what not are prohibited. Outside of class rooms, there's no prohibition on anything like that. So what muslims should do is not listen to people like you, throwing half truths around. That's what they should do. You have ever been in a bavarian school? Let's quote: Bayerische Erziehungs- und Unterrichtsgesetz Art. 7 Abs. 3 Satz 1: „Angesichts der geschichtlichen und kulturellen Prägung Bayerns wird in jedem Klassenraum ein Kreuz angebracht.“ Bavarian Educationlaw: Due to the historic and cultural character of bavaria, a crucifix is to be placed in every class room. Students are allowed to sue against that, causing the crucifix to be removed. But even those cases usually went to the higher courts and not all ended with the crucifxes to be removed. This is very different from "are prohibited in class rooms". Edit: While we are at it: in 2015 the German constitutional court ruled, that banning headscarfs at schools is illegal
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruzifix-Beschluss
Try again.
edit: guess i missed that they overruled that in 2011. How retarded - i stand corrected.
Guess france has the edge on intelligent laws regarding classrooms.
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On January 13 2016 22:15 kornetka wrote:Show nested quote +The European Commission has opened an unprecedented inquiry into whether new Polish laws break EU democracy rules.
The step comes after President Andrzej Duda approved controversial laws enabling the conservative Law and Justice (PiS) government to appoint the heads of public TV and radio, and choose judges for Poland's constitutional court.
Addressing the Polish parliament on Wednesday, Prime Minister Beata Szydlo denied that her government had violated democratic norms. www.bbc.com
Regarding the recent changes to public media, I am wondering whether the EU/German politicians criticizing them are aware of how things worked heretofore and of various abuses of the PO-PSL coalition regarding media and free speech (some examples in the quote below). Because as far as I can tell, the changes come down to the fact that previously the heads of public TV and radio were nominated by the government by proxy and now they are going to be nominated directly. When PO-PSL took over, they carried out a thorough cleansing of public media. Public TV and radio under their control were hardly objective, with some channels and journalists being blatantly biased. It did not seem to bother the EU at all.
+ Show Spoiler [Polish Minister of Justice, Zbigniew Z…] +
Dear Commissioner,
I do not have the habit of responding to unwise comments about Poland coming from foreign politicians, because they are telling about them. However I was provoked by what you didn't tell, and what I expected from you - as from commissionaire.
Public opinion in Germany, and also in Poland, was shocked by mass sexual attacks on females, which happened during NYE in German cities. Events which raise concern, also about safety of Polish people staying in Germany, were hidden for few days by German media. Former German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich even called it "the cartel of silence". Censoring of this information by the German media dumbfounded public opinion in the world. I waited in vain for a strong reaction from you at such a flagrant violation of citizens' right to information. I came to the unpleasant conclusion that it's easier for you to talk about fictitious threats to media freedom in other countries, rather than condemn censorship in your own homeland.
Mr Oettinger,
a week ago, in an interview for "Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung" you criticized actions of democratically elected Polish parliament and government, which is going to restore the objectivity and independence of the public media in Poland. You demanded to put Poland under supervision.
This kind of words, spoken by a German politician have worst connotations among Poles. Also, me. I am the grandson of a Polish officer who, during World War II fought in the underground Home Army with the "German supervision."
Dear Commissioner,
where you have been when in June 2014. agents of special forces stormed the editorial office of one of the biggest weeklies in Poland "Wprost" and tried to tore from its editor-in-chief, his laptop with recordings compromising the previous government, headed by the current head of European Council - Donald Tusk?! In your own country, similar assault of editorial office, of the weekly "Der Spiegel" in 1962 was a huge scandal and led to the collapse of the government.
Why escaped your mind the fact, which was covered by all Polish media, that more than 80 Polish journalists and lawyers who dealt with the matter of this compromising tapes, were bugged?! The secret services have used undercover operatives for surveillance of independent media.
Will you find an excuse for dismissing of half thousand employees, of the Polish Television, and forcing them to work in the outer company, in humiliating conditions, which happened during a reign of PO-PSL?! These parties are still your coalition partners, in the EPP Group, in the European Parliament. An introduction to the mass purges in public television was the removing of several dozen independent journalists, shortly after previous government took the power.
How do you assess the fact that the previous government, caused the dismissal of the editor-in-chief and journalists of the independent, influential, daily newspaper "Rzeczpospolita" and weekly "Uważam Rze"? Most of the shares that government had of those companies, was passed into the hands of the friendly businessman. Dismissals were a consequence of a single article, which put into question the government investigation of plane crash in Smolensk, which killed Polish President coming from the opposite political camp.
Why are you silent when the German-Swiss publisher Ringier Axel Springer, owner of several media in Poland, including "Newsweek", in a dramatic way denies press independence, and openly supports protests aimed against democratically elected Polish parliament and government?! The authorities of this foreign company approved the behavior of the chief editor of "Newsweek" Tomasz Lis, who came out of the role of a journalist, and during street demonstrations fueled anti-government speech. Would you be silent if the head of the largest German weekly "Der Spiegel" Klaus Brinkbäumer demonstrated in the center of Berlin, demanding the removal, by mass protests, the government of Angela Merkel?!
Dear Commissioner,
in your country, Germany, there is a saying: "cuius regions - eius radio," which means "who have power - have a radio" It boils down to a simple principle that heads of public radio and television are appointed by politicians currently exercising power. The Media Act, which being worked on by Polish government, provides a much more democratic solution. It assumes that the National Media Council will be elected by the president and both houses of parliament.
I don't have your impudence to teach Germans that they should adopt similar principles. I will not call for lowering German flag on masts after NYE attacks, like you proposed with EU flags in countries that are indebted in Germany.
Please - be more restrained, and objective - for the seriousness of your office.
Yours faithfully, Zbigniew Ziobro
The emphasis is mine. Source (the translation appears unofficial, as there are some grammatical errors etc.):
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/408an8/open_letter_from_polish_minister_of_justice_to_ue/
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On January 13 2016 23:58 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 20:33 mahrgell wrote:On January 13 2016 20:18 m4ini wrote:On January 13 2016 17:03 Furikawari wrote:On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it. This specific story also tells us about another problem. The teacher was wearing a kippa. In the street. So now, think about this: wearing a veil is bad (and this topic is hot for like 10 years, far before all terrorisms problems), u r a bad french etc. but wearing a kippa is fine. We talk about religious signs to blame on veil and such, but in the end, it only hits muslims, not all religions in France. It appears that only one community is targeted. How should muslims interpret that? If french laws are anything like german laws (which i'm sure they are), every religious symbol is prohibited in a class room (except catholic schools). That's where stuff like kippas, veils, burkas, head scarfs (and for your information, crucifixes) and what not are prohibited. Outside of class rooms, there's no prohibition on anything like that. So what muslims should do is not listen to people like you, throwing half truths around. That's what they should do. You have ever been in a bavarian school? Let's quote: Bayerische Erziehungs- und Unterrichtsgesetz Art. 7 Abs. 3 Satz 1: „Angesichts der geschichtlichen und kulturellen Prägung Bayerns wird in jedem Klassenraum ein Kreuz angebracht.“ Bavarian Educationlaw: Due to the historic and cultural character of bavaria, a crucifix is to be placed in every class room. Students are allowed to sue against that, causing the crucifix to be removed. But even those cases usually went to the higher courts and not all ended with the crucifxes to be removed. This is very different from "are prohibited in class rooms". Edit: While we are at it: in 2015 the German constitutional court ruled, that banning headscarfs at schools is illegal https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruzifix-BeschlussTry again. edit: guess i missed that they overruled that in 2011. How retarded - i stand corrected. Guess france has the edge on intelligent laws regarding classrooms.
Nothing was overruled in 2011. The 2011 rule by the european court for human rights was adressed at Italy, and left it open to the nations how to handle it, just stating that in general crucifixes in school rooms are not illegal.
But the key here is to what Bavaria made out of the German ruling in 1995. (see "Folgen der Entscheidung")
Exactly what I described happened. And this way to handle the ruling was later confirmed by Bavarian as well as German courts.
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On January 14 2016 00:20 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2016 23:58 m4ini wrote:On January 13 2016 20:33 mahrgell wrote:On January 13 2016 20:18 m4ini wrote:On January 13 2016 17:03 Furikawari wrote:On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it. This specific story also tells us about another problem. The teacher was wearing a kippa. In the street. So now, think about this: wearing a veil is bad (and this topic is hot for like 10 years, far before all terrorisms problems), u r a bad french etc. but wearing a kippa is fine. We talk about religious signs to blame on veil and such, but in the end, it only hits muslims, not all religions in France. It appears that only one community is targeted. How should muslims interpret that? If french laws are anything like german laws (which i'm sure they are), every religious symbol is prohibited in a class room (except catholic schools). That's where stuff like kippas, veils, burkas, head scarfs (and for your information, crucifixes) and what not are prohibited. Outside of class rooms, there's no prohibition on anything like that. So what muslims should do is not listen to people like you, throwing half truths around. That's what they should do. You have ever been in a bavarian school? Let's quote: Bayerische Erziehungs- und Unterrichtsgesetz Art. 7 Abs. 3 Satz 1: „Angesichts der geschichtlichen und kulturellen Prägung Bayerns wird in jedem Klassenraum ein Kreuz angebracht.“ Bavarian Educationlaw: Due to the historic and cultural character of bavaria, a crucifix is to be placed in every class room. Students are allowed to sue against that, causing the crucifix to be removed. But even those cases usually went to the higher courts and not all ended with the crucifxes to be removed. This is very different from "are prohibited in class rooms". Edit: While we are at it: in 2015 the German constitutional court ruled, that banning headscarfs at schools is illegal https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kruzifix-BeschlussTry again. edit: guess i missed that they overruled that in 2011. How retarded - i stand corrected. Guess france has the edge on intelligent laws regarding classrooms. Nothing was overruled in 2011. The 2011 rule by the european court for human rights was adressed at Italy, and left it open to the nations how to handle it, just stating that in general crucifixes in school rooms are not illegal. But the key here is to what Bavaria made out of the German ruling in 1995. (see "Folgen der Entscheidung") Exactly what I described happened. And this way to handle the ruling was later confirmed by Bavarian as well as German courts.
You're right.
Sadly, doesn't matter at all, since it only means that frances laws are not like german laws then, which was the point for the argument. In france they're not allowed, as was stated by a couple of frenchmen now.
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I think what's more interesting about headscarfs is the cultural aspect. There are many Muslim girls/women around living alone, going to college, emancipated and so on who consciously decide to wear the headscarf but still have to defend themselves. That just doesn't happen with other religious traditions around here. Now one would question a sikh or a nun about their clothing.
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On January 13 2016 08:37 Incognoto wrote:
Sorry that post was a bit short and I edited it to make up for that.
But yeah it's just weird that culture is so important to some people that they'd start killing other people for it. I don't understand how I can get along with all my arab mates in class without a hitch but for some reason this doesn't seem applicable to a lot of others. Of course, it goes both ways.
e.g. the 15 year old who attacked a teacher with a machete because he was jewish. Where do you even get the idea that you're going to live a happy, fulfilled life, by committing those crimes. Is the 15 year old too stupid to realize that what he's doing is detrimental to everyone, especially himself? Where are people getting all of this. I just don't get it.
Because culture includes Everything....
The idea that you should/should not burn infants to death for religious sacrifices=culture
The idea that the police should/should not have the right to rape one woman a week=culture
The idea that bread is better with the butter side up/down=culture
Your arab mates do not have a culture that is that different than yours (at least in anyway that you can significantly tell) [I would guess they probably agree with you on all 3 of the above]
However some cultural differences (1+2 as shown above) are arguably worth killing for (at least in certain cultures). And there may be cultural differences that aren't worth killing for but are worth doing other things for (insulting, avoiding, locking up, etc.)
Of course there is also the perceived cultural difference (I can't react to what this person Actually believes/values I can only react to what I think they value, based on what limited info I have on them.)
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On January 14 2016 01:47 Nyxisto wrote:
I think what's more interesting about headscarfs is the cultural aspect. There are many Muslim girls/women around living alone, going to college, emancipated and so on who consciously decide to wear the headscarf but still have to defend themselves. That just doesn't happen with other religious traditions around here. Now one would question a sikh or a nun about their clothing.
Without flame baiting, do you actually think that's "interesting"? Because it took me like three seconds to come to a rational conclusion as to why that's the case.
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On January 13 2016 17:08 Schmobutzen wrote:
@nitback: Your argument doesn't make any sense. So you say, we should deport them, because these are too many men, and that could become a problem, because of the conflicts that will arise from too many men on too few women? That is a problem now, I agree, but of course we can't, and no sane person on earth should, deport them back to a warzone or to a miserable life because of that. Most of them are here because they are the scouts for their family. And if they are willing to live here and the time and the situation is right, their families will come too. I assume that will balance the sexes somewhat if not whole.
The real question is: Can they arrange themselves with our culture, so that they can feel at home here or not. If not - they should go. And in some cases they must. Refugees: stitch yourself up here, heal yourselves, think and feel it through, if the life her is really the thing you want, besides all our differences in culture. Don't look only at the rich side of Germany,
Cute. First they are doctors and lawyers, then poor families fleeing, then much needed workers and now scouts for tgeir families. I takes a certain kind of special to still believe these lies spouted by the German left/CDU (roughly the same except a few spineless politicians that only talk). I for one will leave this country as soon as possible. Quite sad but Germany has no future with people like you and nyxisto.
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On January 14 2016 06:13 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2016 01:47 Nyxisto wrote:
I think what's more interesting about headscarfs is the cultural aspect. There are many Muslim girls/women around living alone, going to college, emancipated and so on who consciously decide to wear the headscarf but still have to defend themselves. That just doesn't happen with other religious traditions around here. Now one would question a sikh or a nun about their clothing. Without flame baiting, do you actually think that's "interesting"? Because it took me like three seconds to come to a rational conclusion as to why that's the case.
Head scarfs are one of the things that i am incredibly split on. For one, they are very often used as a symbol of the oppression of women. There is some religious component to it too, but those two things go hand in hand here in a weird way that i don't quite understand.
On the other hand, i don't think that i should have the right to tell women not to wear them. I really think that there should be a movement of muslim women against those things, but then, i am not a muslim woman.
I do not think that this is something that people who are not muslim women should focus on until muslim women themselves decide that it is a problem.
I will also openly admit that religion as a whole is utterly alien and incomprehensible to me, so i am used to people doing things that i find weird for religious reasons, and as long as they don't hurt anyone in doing so, i don't see any reason and it really is not my place to try to change those.
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What's weird about headscarfs is that people who aren't Muslims have somehow unilaterally decided that the headscarf is a symbol of oppression and thus must be removed, legally or culturally, from the public sphere. I think the fact that plenty of emancipated and educated Muslim women chose to wear one should basically put a stop to the discussion.
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On January 14 2016 07:41 Nyxisto wrote:
What's weird about headscarfs is that people who aren't Muslims have somehow unilaterally decided that the headscarf is a symbol of oppression and thus must be removed, legally or culturally, from the public sphere. I think the fact that plenty of emancipated and educated Muslim women chose to wear one should basically put a stop to the discussion.
How do you really measure emancipation really ? Because it's certainly not through education. Many women support the system that dominate them, don't let it fool you. Now the scarf is one thing, the burqa is another. But yeah sure.
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