EPTOn January 12 2016 23:51 r00ty wrote:
IMHO it's still blown out of proportion.
IMHO it's still blown out of proportion.
Biggest sex crime since the war rapes of WW2 is being blown out of proportion everybody.
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TMG26
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Biggest sex crime since the war rapes of WW2 is being blown out of proportion everybody. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On January 13 2016 06:06 TMG26 wrote: Biggest sex crime since the war rapes of WW2 is being blown out of proportion everybody. You are talking about the catholic church? | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On January 13 2016 06:20 mahrgell wrote: You are talking about the catholic church? Cheap shot. You know that your friends from the green party in Germany tried to legalize pedophilia right? | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On January 13 2016 06:23 Saumure wrote: Cheap shot. You know that your friends from the green party in Germany tried to legalize pedophilia right? I wasn't aware that I was friends with the green party. But I guess it is a typical thing of opposition parties to suggest absurd stuff. And people love it, as we can see from current developments. And doesn't change that people love to throw completely baseless superlatives around  | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On January 13 2016 06:32 mahrgell wrote: I wasn't aware that I was friends with the green party. But I guess it is a typical thing of opposition parties to suggest absurd stuff. And people love it, as we can see from current developments. And doesn't change that people love to throw completely baseless superlatives around So if we are already talking about completely baseless superlatives can you link us to the incident where members of the catholic church sexually assaulted several hundred people in the timeframe of ~2 hours? Yeah I thought so. It makes your point somewhat moot to complain about "baseless superlatives" one sentence after talking shit yourself, hopefully you are aware of that. | ||
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m4ini
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On January 13 2016 02:19 Nyxisto wrote: If the offender is Syrian we can't deport him as we (rightfully so) don't deport people to warzones, but we really need to show especially young offenders that the law in this country is actually being enforced. I saw an interview with a judge that specialized in juvenile crime yesterday and he stated that many of those offenders presumably were caught pickpocketing or harassing before and that they usually get a slap on the wrist even if they're caught half a dozen times. We don't need to whip them, but we need to scare them a little bit. Put them into a juvenile prison for a week or two the first time they break the law and enroll them in mandatory classes afterwards but we can't just let them run around again without doing anything. That doesn't apply to refugees or immigrants only, we don't take preventing crime seriously in general. The government disagrees with you. Syrians will be deported, as well as the "Familiennachzug" dismissed for people whos family is already in what's considered a safe country (that includes turkey etc). I honestly don't get what's going on in the heads of people like you. How on earth would you think that "letting everybody and his brother in" without the option of "throwing the criminals back out" is an option? You have two options: you don't deport criminals because they come from syria, then you make sure that they don't get in in the first place. You can NOT have both, that just will not work. It also is not against international law, before you start with that - you certainly can deport people, if you sentence them as criminals (Ausweisung, not Abschiebung). They'll finish their sentence in a syrian jail. Brilliant idea in my mind btw. Juvenile prison is a joke. The fact that you want to scare someone by sending them in there for a week makes me ask if you have any idea about punishment at all. Small sidenote, i went there for two weeks after "missing Service in the Bundeswehr for one week, without explanation". I do know how juvenile prison is, and neither is it scary nor correctional. Especially not for a week, come on now. Serving three years in a syrian prison on the other hand.. It's also not the "young teen pick pocketers" we talk about here, these don't get deported. People who get sentenced for more than one year after commiting a serious crime will be. That includes sexual offenders, violent and/or armed crimes, attacks on police officers. Hell, even fucking syrian refugees came forth and asked for those people to be deported. You are talking about the catholic church? Mind showing me the 500 sexual attacks in one day commited by priests? And while you're at it, all the violent muggings too? Interesting fact that police made clear today, btw: if a kurd attacks a turk, it will pop up in statistics under "Rechtsextremismus" (right-wing-extremism? basically where neo-nazis get counted) because it's considered a "hate crime". Makes you wonder how accurate statistics actually are. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11945 Posts
On January 13 2016 06:37 AngryMag wrote: So if we are already talking about completely baseless superlatives can you link us to the incident where members of the catholic church sexually assaulted several hundred people in the timeframe of ~2 hours? Yeah I thought so. It makes your point somewhat moot to complain about "baseless superlatives" one sentence after talking shit yourself, hopefully you are aware of that. So it is better if you space your crimes out? If i rape a dozen guys on one evening, is that better or worse than if i rape a guy a year for a dozen years? | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On January 13 2016 06:53 Simberto wrote: So it is better if you space your crimes out? If i rape a dozen guys on one evening, is that better or worse than if i rape a guy a year for a dozen years? Yeah, that is exactly what I wrote. Congratulations, good job! | ||
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Simberto
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m4ini
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:00 Simberto wrote: Well, it is. Or would you mind explaining what you meant with your statement if not that? No why would I? Anybody who is actually interested in discussing the issue at hand understands perfectly well what was meant with the post. Why would I help you to deflect from the issue? | ||
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SoSexy
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oneofthem
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m4ini
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On January 13 2016 07:16 SoSexy wrote: Good, now we took out of the hat the Catholic church to justify mass rapes. What's next? Aliens? It wasn't justification, but apparently evidence that NYE is "blown out of proportion" or "not a big deal". edit: How exactly do you "de-islamify" someone? | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:07 AngryMag wrote: No why would I? Anybody who is actually interested in discussing the issue at hand understands perfectly well what was meant with the post. Why would I help you to deflect from the issue? I genuinely want to understand but I don't  . Please explain? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:19 m4ini wrote: How exactly do you "de-islamify" someone? education and the cosmopolitan experience. try to minimize stuff that will incite identity based resistance responses, which ironically means greater tolerance of 'muslim' and 'islam' but with efforts to attack the content of the religion/culture. | ||
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m4ini
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On January 13 2016 07:26 oneofthem wrote: education and the cosmopolitan experience. try to minimize stuff that will incite identity based resistance responses, which ironically means greater tolerance of 'muslim' and 'islam' but with efforts to attack the content of the religion/culture. The goal itself is a good one, but there's no way you "educate" a muslim like that. Nor a catholic, for that matter. Religion is not an issue of education anyway. And stuff that "incites identity based resistance responses" is impossible to change as well, since "not wearing a burka" or "mini-skirts" are already that. There's nothing to minimize if "everyday-shit" already rustles their jimmies. edit: and in germany, freedom of religion is important - there's not much more you can do in regards of tolerating islam. The only stuff that doesn't get tolerated is the stuff that is against the law (forced marriage etc) - and you won't ever get any tolerance out of a western person for that. Rightfully so, it's not something that has to be accepted. That's something that has to change, purely on the side of muslims, there's nothing a western society can do in those regards. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:22 Saumure wrote: I genuinely want to understand but I don't . Please explain?never did a single group of priests mass assault several hundred people in the time frame of several hours. The Catholic Church consists of many individuals. it is intellectually highly dishonest to compare an institution with millions of members and over a huge timeframe with the deeds committed by by a small group (in comparison) within the time frame of a few hours. The Catholic Church isn't the topic of this discussion either. It is a bullshit comparison made up to derail the discussion from it's respective topic a "red herring". Nobody even remotely implied that child abuse is fine and nobody even remotely implied that crimes committed over a longer period of time are fine either. It is dishonest, has nothing to do with the topic at hand and happened after someone called a factual statement bullshit while bullshitting himself like mad with the catholic church thing one sentence before. It is laughable. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:29 m4ini wrote: The goal itself is a good one, but there's no way you "educate" a muslim like that. Nor a catholic, for that matter. Religion is not an issue of education anyway. And stuff that "incites identity based resistance responses" is impossible to change as well, since "not wearing a burka" or "mini-skirts" are already that. There's nothing to minimize if "everyday-shit" already rustles their jimmies. edit: and in germany, freedom of religion is important - there's not much more you can do in regards of tolerating islam. The only stuff that doesn't get tolerated is the stuff that is against the law (forced marriage etc) - and you won't ever get any tolerance out of a western person for that. Rightfully so, it's not something that has to be accepted. That's something that has to change, purely on the side of muslims, there's nothing a western society can do in those regards. it is obviously a gradual process, but at the core i see a need of an internal critical moment like the enlightenment for christian west. education and the cosmopolitian experience are meant to be taken together to refer to the secularization process that works pretty well on the youth of 'the west.' religion is the stuff of family and rural clannish enclaves, maybe islam itself is more persistent, but with the right conditions it can be digested. deislamification to me doesn't mean 'not a muslim,' just someone who is adapting islam to their new society instead of the other way around. so a shift in focus from being actual racists and calling out racists, and rather focus on the content of cultural practices and beliefs. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11945 Posts
On January 13 2016 07:07 AngryMag wrote: No why would I? Anybody who is actually interested in discussing the issue at hand understands perfectly well what was meant with the post. Why would I help you to deflect from the issue? So what you are saying is that you figured out how ridiculous that statement was, but are now incapable of retracting it due to your ego and thus just act smugly superior because "It is obvious what you meant". I am not that interested in discussing the catholic church, that problem is gonna solve itself in a few generation anyways as fewer and fewer people in each generation care about that archaic and pointless institution. I simply got drawn into this by the absurdity of your statement. Regarding the topic at hand, i fully agree with sending (major) criminals back, even if it means sending them back into a warzone. If you want refuge from a war, the least you could do is not bite the hand that feeds you. And i don't have a lot of sympathy for sexual offenders or violent criminals in general, that kind of behaviour is barbaric and has no place in a civilized society. However, I also think that we should not treat all of the refugees as criminals just because a very small minority of them are, or place the whole group in some sort of kin punishment because a few of them are criminals. Striking back against "the refugees" should not be the reaction to this. Punish the criminals, and treat the rest of them with the same respect that you would treat any other individual person with, instead of viewing all refugees as some sort of amorphous blob that can only be interacted with as a hole which seems to be something a lot of people suggest. People are individually responsible for their own behaviour, not for the behaviour of a drawer you put them into. | ||
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