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On December 14 2015 07:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 23:08 WhiteDog wrote:On December 13 2015 23:03 maartendq wrote:On December 13 2015 22:46 WhiteDog wrote:On December 13 2015 22:24 Acrofales wrote: Your paper is not about the relationship between globalization and poverty. Insofar as it mentions globalization at all and its influence on human development it mentions mostly positive effects. As the only hint of a negative effect, it mentions that globalization brings a higher risk, and that bigger governments are needed to deal with that. Something I don't disagree with at all.
As for the exerpt that you copied and particularly the bit you bolded: yes? This says nothing about globalization, it says something about good governance. Something that is absolutely necessary, I agree. It is specifically saying that the "market" in itself has almost no effect in itself and that it is the existence of institutions that permit a country to grow out of poverty. For example, firms focused on producing cheap labour-intensive goods or exploiting natural resources may not want a more educated workforce. And if there is an abundant pool of labour to draw on, firms may care little about worker health. We see this today in lax occupational safety standards in many developing countries. A shift from the institutions of reciprocity that hold sway in traditional societies to market relations can weaken the human and social ties that bind communities. Furthermore, without complementary societal and state action, markets are particularly weak in environmental protection. Poorly regulated markets can create the conditions for environmental degradation, even disaster. A recent example is the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. Such leaks are common: over the past decade there was an average of three or four large oil spills a year, spewing more than 1.5 million barrels of oil. And recorded spills account for only about a tenth of petroleum waste that ends up in the ocean each year. In the Niger Delta endemic oil spills, waste dumping and gas flaring have destroyed ecologically sensitive wetlands, clogged waterways, killed wildlife and damaged the soil and air quality over the past 50 years—ruining the lives of people in the region. I mean, it's not clear enough ? It's not the globalization - the removal of all barriers to trade - that permits development, but rather the existence of national institutions to control the behavior of capitalists groups, to permit the production of public goods and to give a legal frame to trading. Why can't it be both? You need institutions, sure, but without competition there is very little reason to develop new technology ("If it is not broken, don't fix it"). China during the 15th century was way more technologically advanced and had huge ships exploring the African coasts even, but after that decided to isolate itself from the rest of the world, allowing the European warring states to gain a technological edge that they are still trying to catch up on. During the warring period in China there was one region that developed itself into something that resembles a contemporary state (including a bureaucratic apparatus to make taxation more efficient), forcing the others to adopt similar forms of government too or perish. During Europe's warring period we developed new technology and institutions at a breakneck speed. EDIT: I'd actually go as far as saying that war is a lot more important for technological progress than international trade, unless of course trade incorporates two or more companies from different countries trying to gain a foothold in the same market. Because it is clearly implying that without institutions, capitalists group usually seek ressources and exploit weakness, a situation that does not profit the population. This has been made very clear, since in some countries where the state is too weak, the globalization has had bad effect on development - it's the history of the washington consensus... I agree with you about war btw. No. In those cases it has had a negative effect on equality. Just because rural communities scrounging a living off subsistence farming are not helped by globalization, doesn't mean they are hindered. People living on under a dollar a day and unable to take advantage of the potential opportunities will continue to be subsistence farmers without government aid. That others in the country see their lives improve and therefore inequality increases doesn't mean poverty increased. I don't know what you are talking about, I was pretty clear (and the report is pretty clear) we are talking about development, measure through the HDI and not inequalities. I'll not even discuss the reality of inequalities, but note that you're wrong, you cannot think equality is very far from poverty, the two are linked.
On December 14 2015 10:40 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Don't know if you chose that metaphor on purpose or by accident So bored of that moralism. The FN are not the nazi, they didn't kill anyone, and they're certainly not daesh like our stupid ass prime minister suggested. Almost 7 million french voted for them, at least we could respect those voters and try to understand the underlying reasons for their vote, instead of instantly digging out the crime of nazi germany to exorcize the evil, like it is relevant.
All in all, I'm just happy Bartelone was not elected, because this guy is corrupted as fuck even Pecresse might be better.
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On December 14 2015 08:51 Narw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2015 02:52 AngryMag wrote:On December 11 2015 08:14 Sent. wrote: Slovakia has a left wing government and the new ruling party in Poland is not new or fascist. If you count the votes from our recent elections you can see that our society is still split 50-50 between liberals and conservatives. Your turbonazis won those elections only because they're united and liberals ruled for 10 years so people got "bored" with them. Maybe voters in the West and South are getting more radical but here it was just a normal shift of power.
Iirc UKIP had terrible results in British elections so its not like UK is changing its course drastically either Dude you should see the amount of propaganda the press spits out about those PIS fellas. It is quite embarassing tbh one could think they would be Adolf himself. Adolf you say? Leader of those PiS fellas spoke few days ago about "genes of national treason" while in the meantime he is demolishing Constitutional Tribunal. So yeah, im not sure what you call propaganda is just propaganda.
First of all, did you actually see the interview and know the context or are you simply relying on excerpts from TVN or such? "Gazeta Wyborcza" and TVN are doing exactly what Niezalezna.pl or "wSieci" have been doing with taking Bieńkowska's quote out of context ("Only idiots (...)"). I did not see anything controversial in what Kaczyński said in that interview (at least the part in question).
+ Show Spoiler +“To powrót do metod z lat 2005-2007, ale także z czasów rządu Jana Olszewskiego, czyli też naszych, bo to był też rząd Porozumienia Centrum. To się powtarza. Ten nawyk donoszenia na Polskę zagranicę. W Polsce jest taka fatalna tradycja zdrady narodowej. I to jest właśnie nawiązywanie do tego. To jest w genach niektórych ludzi, tego najgorszego sortu Polaków. Ten najgorszy sort właśnie w tej chwili jest niesłychanie aktywny, bo czuje się zagrożony.
Wojna, później komunizm, później transformacja przeprowadzona tak, jak ją przeprowadzono właśnie ten typ ludzi promowała, dawała mu wielkie szanse. On dziś boi się, że te czasy się zmienią, że przyjdzie czas, że tak jak to być powinno - inny typ ludzi, mających motywacje wyższe, patriotyczne będzie wysunięty na czoło i to będzie dotyczyło wszystkich dziedzin życia społecznego, także ze strony gospodarczej. Tu jest ten wielki strach o to, jaki rodzaj Polaków będzie miał te największe szanse. Czy ci, dla których wszelkie sprawy związane z czymś szerszym, niż własny interes, narodem, godnością narodową są ważne. Czy ci, dla których to nie ma żadnego znaczenia, a cała filozofia sprowadza się do takiego powiedzenia "nie ma takich grabi, które by od siebie grabiły"
Second of all, who is demolishing the Constitutional Tribunal? Legally, it is much more likely that PiS is in the right here, not PO. As far as I can tell, the Constitutional Tribunal is currently highly partisan. It clearly tried to give its verdict on the constitutionality of the June 2015 act as late as possible, hoping that by then the President will have sworn those new judges in... Read what I wrote about this whole debacle earlier:
+ Show Spoiler +At the end of the previous term of the parliament, in June, the ruling coalition (PO+PSL) passed an act that allowed them to nominate in advance five new judges of the Tribunal as a replacement of those whose terms would expire in 2015. Three of them would expire during the previous term of the parliament whereas two of them - during the current term (at that time all 15 judges had been nominated by PO+PSL). At the very end of the previous term, the parliament passed a resolution (well, five separate resolutions, to be precise) that nominated those five new judges in advance.
The current ruling coalition (PiS + two smaller center-right parties, but let's stick to PiS for simplicity's sake) protested this decision and asked the Constitutional Tribunal to review the constitutionality of the act from June 2015 (edit: PiS actually protested already in June 2015; the Tribunal took its sweet time and assembled only in late November/early December, IIRC, hoping that by then the President, put under pressure, would have sworn the new judges in). The president (affiliated with PiS) refused to swear them in. At the same time, the coalition passed a resolution that rendered the resolution passed by PO+PSL invalid, claiming it was illegal to nominate them in advance. Hence, with five nominations pending, PiS passed resolutions nominating five new judges, whom the president swore in.
Meanwhile, the Constitutional Tribunal declared that the act passed in June was constitutional with regard to the three nominations which meant to replace judges whose terms expired during the previous term of the parliament, but was unconstitutional with regard to the remaining two nominations. The verdict cited a specific article of the Constitution as the reason. However, there are several problems with this verdict:
(1) According to the Constitution, the Constitutional Tribunal can only judge the constitutionality of passed acts of law, not their execution (including parliamentary resolutions). I am not sure whose responsibility is the latter. Perhaps the Supreme Court.
(2) Three of the judges of the Tribunal helped in creation of the June 2015 act that was later on deemed partially unconstitutional, including the very president of the Constitutional Tribunal.
(3) The president of the Constitutional Tribunal made an official decision that in such a complicated matter it is necessary for the Tribunal to convene as a full court (nine+ members). When PiS pointed out that three judges had worked on the act in question - and considering the fact that the terms of five judges expired by then - he changed his mind. As a result, only five (?) judges assembled, making the verdict null...
(4) The article of the Constitution the Tribunal cited seems like an arbitrary reason. It goes as follows "Trybunał Konstytucyjny składa się z 15 sędziów, wybieranych indywidualnie przez Sejm na 9 lat spośród osób wyróżniających się wiedzą prawniczą. Ponowny wybór do składu Trybunału jest niedopuszczalny.". It basically says that there can only be 15 judges of the Tribunal, nominated individually for nine years, who cannot be renominated. In other words, it says nothing about nominating them in advance nor that the term of the parliament makes any difference.
Hence the verdict of the Tribunal has no constitutional backing... It all depends on the interpretation of when one becomes member of the Tribunal. Is it after passing the resolution nominating them? Once the term specified in the resolution begins? Or perhaps after being sworn in (which is when they gain their practical competences, privileges, etc. as members of the Tribunal)? If it's the former, then the nominations were unconstitutional because there were still 15 members of the Tribunal at the time the resolutions were passed. If it's the latter, then the President's decision not to swear them in rendered PO-PSL nominations ineffectual.
Only if the second interpretation is correct, the nominations passed by PO+PSL were legal. But then we get to yet another problem:
(5) In Polish law there exists a rule of presumed constitutionality, i.e. an act passed by the parliament is deemed constitutional unless judged otherwise by the Tribunal. That means that resolutions of both PO+PSL and PiS were legal, but so was the resolution invalidating the PO+PSL nominations...
Additionally, the way PO nominated those five judges was most likely legally faulty. Namely, they used a hybrid process, i.e. relied on both the Parliament's protocol and the Constitutional Tribunal Act - whichever was more convenient for them. You are supposed to use only one of the routes, not mix them however you want.
http://www.rp.pl/Opinie/312099994-Spor-o-Trybunal-Prezydent-nie-moze-przyjac-slubowania.html
On the competences of the Tribunal:
http://trybunal.gov.pl/o-trybunale/akty-normatywne/ustawa-o-trybunale-konstytucyjnym/
"Poza kognicją Trybunału Konstytucyjnego pozostają natomiast te wszystkie akty konstytucyjnych organów państwa, które nie mają charakteru normatywnego (nie ustanawiają norm prawnych), a więc - w szczególności - akty indywidualne (takim aktem jest np. uchwała Sejmu określająca terminy i sposób rozpatrywania konkretnego projektu ustawy)."
It cannot review the constitutionality of parliamentary resolutions nominating new members of the Tribunal.
On why the verdict of the Tribunal is most likely invalid:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trybunał_Konstytucyjny#Sk.C5.82ady_orzekaj.C4.85ce http://db.trybunal.gov.pl/sprawa/sprawa_pobierz_plik200.asp?plik=F1475000606/K_34_15_zarzPrzew_2015_11_19_ADO.pdf&syg=K 34/15
The Tribunal could've easily reviewed the act in question much, much earlier, so the fact that it could not assemble as full court in December is not an excuse.
On December 14 2015 09:14 Nyxisto wrote: Yep, I also remember him earlier this year talking about how refugees bring in "alien diseases and microbes" lol. Could have been straight out of the NS "Jews carry flees" handbook.
Also the FN went down in the second round of the elections, so there is at least one happy news of the day.
"Są już przecież objawy pojawienia się chorób bardzo niebezpiecznych i dawno niewidzianych w Europie. Cholera na wyspach greckich, dezynteria w Wiedniu. Różnego rodzaju pasożyty, pierwotniaki, które nie są groźne w organizmach tych ludzi, a mogą tutaj być groźne. To nie oznacza, żeby kogoś dyskryminować, ale sprawdzić trzeba"
"There are already symptoms of the appearance of very dangerous diseases, long not seen in Europe. Cholera on Greek islands, dysentery in Vienna. Different sorts of parasites, protozoa, which are harmless in organisms of those people, but may become harmful here (as in for people living in Europe). It does not mean we should discriminate against someone, but this should be verified."
Indeed, spoken like Adolf Hitler... I don't see anything controversial in what he said.
You should not take anything you read on politics in Poland in German media at face value. Most of Polish correspondents in western media are people affiliated with either Gazeta Wyborcza (center-left, heavily pro-PO) or (less often) Krytyka Polityczna (far left; some of them could be described as self-hating Poles). I am talking about media such as: The New York Times, The Guardian, Reuters, The Daily Star, Independent, Le Monde, Le Soir (Belgian), Suddeutsche Zeitung, Neues Deutschland, Deutsche Welle, Die Welt or Berliner Zeitung and more.
http://www.zelaznalogika.net/zachodnie-media-opanowane-przez-polakow/ http://www.zelaznalogika.net/zagraniczne-media-o-polsce-mateusz-zurawik-dla-new-york-timesa/ http://www.zelaznalogika.net/z-cyklu-zagraniczne-media-o-polsce-julian-bartosz-dla-neues-deutschland/ http://www.zelaznalogika.net/suddeutsche-zeitung-o-polsce-ustami-polki/ http://www.zelaznalogika.net/z-cyklu-zagraniczne-media-o-polsce-julia-szyndzielorz-o-lekarzach-dla-die-welt/ http://www.zelaznalogika.net/z-cyklu-zagraniczne-media-o-polsce-jan-opielka-z-krytyki-politycznej-dla-berliner-zeitung/ http://www.zelaznalogika.net/z-cyklu-zagraniczne-mediao-polsce-joanna-berendt-z-gazety-wyborczej-dla-new-york-times/
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On December 14 2015 18:57 maybenexttime wrote:
Second of all, who is demolishing the Constitutional Tribunal? Legally, it is much more likely that PiS is in the right here, not PO. As far as I can tell, the Constitutional Tribunal is currently highly partisan. It clearly tried to give its verdict on the constitutionality of the June 2015 act as late as possible, hoping that by then the President will have sworn those new judges in... Read what I wrote about this whole debacle earlier:
This is BS. At least half of current judges were elected with support from PiS. They didnt have problems with them when they were elected. They only started to be "partisan" when they got into PISs way.
Constitution defines Tribunal as HIGHEST and LAST authority in those matters. Nothing some law proffesor or other elected officials says can change that.
And while agree GW and TVN are highly partisan and foreign media often misrepresnt events becuase they rely on them as sources for information, the sources You are quoting are partisan as well. Just from the other side.
Also You are not translating sources You are quoting. You are missrepresenting them.
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On December 14 2015 16:49 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: I'm so sad about FN. This shows how ridicolous left and right are in France: for years they believed in different values and all of a sudden they're best friends ever. They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Just to be clear -- you're sad that the FN did not win any regions?
Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP
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On December 13 2015 01:58 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 01:56 RvB wrote:A lot of the reduction in poverty in the last years was in China. With an export led economy I don't see how you can make the argument that the reduction in poverty that globalisation has a small/no role. Though technology also obviously has a big role. On December 13 2015 01:41 Simberto wrote: That last argument is bad. The retirement age rising could either mean what you are saying, or that we just get older on average. While in 1950, someone who was retiring at 65 might have another 5 years or so to live on average, nowadays it is more along the lines of 10-20+ years or so. A lot of people don't realise how expensive even 1 year of retirement really is. Especially with these low interest rates it's getting unbearably expensive. Because China is an exemple of a globalized country to you ? It is its state, the action of the state, and not the opening of borders, that is at the core of China's success. Even the corruption is a barrier in China. If you want to seek the archetype globalized country, again, look at africa : just a quick search and I see that China's imports as part of GDP is half that of the ivory coast or congo for exemple. Most notably, China's imports as % of GDP has been declining recently, as it entered into the fray of developped countries. Just saying, there is a reason as to why Gaza is more globalized (in % of GDP) than Israel. Your beautiful and happy vision of the globalization is the vision of the dominant, happy few that profit (for a moment, only until another country find a flaw and eat you alive, which is what china is doing right now) from what the poor should actually call a dependancy on international trade. Look at data here. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.IMP.GNFS.ZS?order=wbapi_data_value_2014 wbapi_data_value wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc There are indexes which try to measure globalisation. Nowhere have I seen Africa being more globalised than European countries. These have their share of problems but they're more accurate than just using imports or trade as share of GDP.
The most globalised country is Belgium, followed by the Netherlands, Switzerland, the UK,Austria, and Germany. In general, the top end of the list is dominated by European countries. Interestingly, however, Malaysia managed to make a jump by 10 ranks and is now the ninth most globalised country and Jordan is on rank 12. The BRICS countries, which are said to be the biggest emerging economies of the twenty-first century rank 39 (Russia), 53 (South Africa), 71 (China), 75 (Brazil), and 85 (India). Most interestingly here is that South Africa actually lost six ranks, while all the others increased their rank between 11 and 18 ranks. pimmartens.info From the Maastricht globalisation index.
The state is not at the core of China's succes. It's markets and opening up their economy.
This analysis supports the conclusion that almost all of the growth of urban employment in China since 1978 is due to the expansion of private firms, including privately owned foreign firms. Private urban employment expanded from 150,000 in 1978, or 0.2 percent of urban employment, to an estimated 253 million in 2011 (table 3.8). In 2011 employment in privately controlled firms accounted for two-thirds of China’s urban labor force. More impressively, the increase in private urban employment, almost entirely the result of the formation of new privately owned or privately controlled businesses, accounts for 95 percent of the growth of the urban labor force since 1978.27 Government employment also expanded by an estimated 15 million over the same period.28 The corollary of these changes is that the absolute numbers of employees in state and collective fi rms in urban areas today is slightly less than in 1978 But, given the large expansion of the urban labor force, the employment share of state and collective firms fell from 99.8 percent in 1978 to about 18 percent by 2011.
The growing role of the private sector in generating China’s exports is also worth noting. As refl ected in fi gure 3.3, state-owned companies accounted for two-thirds of China’s total exports as recently as 1995. But their share fell continuously starting in the second half of the 1990s. By 2012 state fi rms accounted for only 11 percent of China’s by then much larger volume of exports. Initially, as the role of state-owned fi rms in exporting receded, foreign fi rms expanded their share of China’s exports, allowing China’s total exports to continue to grow robustly. But the foreign fi rm share of total exports peaked in 2005, and China has since become increasingly dependent on private domestic fi rms to sustain its role as a major exporting economy. Private fi rms’ share of exports has grown so much that since 2009 the expansion of the value of private fi rms’ exports has exceeded that of foreign fi rms
bookstore.piie.com It's in chapter 3 which you can dl.
Most virtuous development processes involve managing distributive conflict; building adequate state and business capacity, with the state having sufficient countervailing power to limit abuse of market power by powerful capitalist groups and resolving sociopolitical contests in favour of broad-based provisioning.
But markets do not bring progress in other dimensions of human development, and the evidence suggests that markets are necessary but certainly not enough. These 2 parts you quoted in an earlier post. I don't see how it supports your point that markets have almost no effect? It flat out says that markets are necessary. Yes working institutions and a well regulated market are necessary to grow out of poverty but those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive.
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(I messed up with edits and posts, sorry)
Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP
What Valls said is criminal. Disrespecting about 5 million electors in fear of losing his chair. If I were someone of the FN, I would bring Valls to a tribunal for defamation.
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On December 14 2015 20:31 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 16:49 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: I'm so sad about FN. This shows how ridicolous left and right are in France: for years they believed in different values and all of a sudden they're best friends ever. They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Just to be clear -- you're sad that the FN did not win any regions? Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP That is because the FN is much more of a joke than either party. A racist, fear-mongering and reactionary joke. It is unquestionably a good thing that they did not win any region.
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On December 14 2015 22:28 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 20:31 SoSexy wrote:On December 14 2015 16:49 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: I'm so sad about FN. This shows how ridicolous left and right are in France: for years they believed in different values and all of a sudden they're best friends ever. They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Just to be clear -- you're sad that the FN did not win any regions? Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP That is because the FN is much more of a joke than either party. A racist, fear-mongering and reactionary joke. It is unquestionably a good thing that they did not win any region.
If people would stop calling the FN racist, that would be great. It's not because they are debating over heated issues while the other parties put their head on the ground that the FN is racist. It might have been 15y ago, but it is not now.
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On December 14 2015 22:40 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 22:28 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 20:31 SoSexy wrote:On December 14 2015 16:49 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: I'm so sad about FN. This shows how ridicolous left and right are in France: for years they believed in different values and all of a sudden they're best friends ever. They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Just to be clear -- you're sad that the FN did not win any regions? Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP That is because the FN is much more of a joke than either party. A racist, fear-mongering and reactionary joke. It is unquestionably a good thing that they did not win any region. If people would stop calling the FN racist, that would be great. It's not because they are debating over heated issues while the other parties put their head on the ground that the FN is racist. It might have been 15y ago, but it is not now. Of course it is still racist. Try digging a little deeper than Marine Le Pen's superficial re-branding.
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On December 14 2015 22:48 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 22:40 Faust852 wrote:On December 14 2015 22:28 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 20:31 SoSexy wrote:On December 14 2015 16:49 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: I'm so sad about FN. This shows how ridicolous left and right are in France: for years they believed in different values and all of a sudden they're best friends ever. They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Just to be clear -- you're sad that the FN did not win any regions? Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP That is because the FN is much more of a joke than either party. A racist, fear-mongering and reactionary joke. It is unquestionably a good thing that they did not win any region. If people would stop calling the FN racist, that would be great. It's not because they are debating over heated issues while the other parties put their head on the ground that the FN is racist. It might have been 15y ago, but it is not now. Of course it is still racist. Try digging a little deeper than Marine Le Pen's superficial re-branding.
So close to 28% of the people who bother to vote should be labeled as racists then
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On December 14 2015 23:11 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 22:48 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 22:40 Faust852 wrote:On December 14 2015 22:28 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 20:31 SoSexy wrote:On December 14 2015 16:49 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: I'm so sad about FN. This shows how ridicolous left and right are in France: for years they believed in different values and all of a sudden they're best friends ever. They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Just to be clear -- you're sad that the FN did not win any regions? Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP That is because the FN is much more of a joke than either party. A racist, fear-mongering and reactionary joke. It is unquestionably a good thing that they did not win any region. If people would stop calling the FN racist, that would be great. It's not because they are debating over heated issues while the other parties put their head on the ground that the FN is racist. It might have been 15y ago, but it is not now. Of course it is still racist. Try digging a little deeper than Marine Le Pen's superficial re-branding. So close to 28% of the people who bother to vote should be labeled as racists then I am not talking about the people voting for the FN but about the party itself, but I guess avoiding immediate fallacies is too much to ask.
edit: this is not to say that you don't find more racists among FN sympathizers than among the sympathizers of other parties -- you do. They say so themselves.
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On December 14 2015 23:11 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 22:48 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 22:40 Faust852 wrote:On December 14 2015 22:28 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 20:31 SoSexy wrote:On December 14 2015 16:49 kwizach wrote:On December 14 2015 09:38 SoSexy wrote: I'm so sad about FN. This shows how ridicolous left and right are in France: for years they believed in different values and all of a sudden they're best friends ever. They did everything against the FN - but the wave is growing. Just to be clear -- you're sad that the FN did not win any regions? Yes, I am - at least they did not prove to be such a joke like PS and UMP That is because the FN is much more of a joke than either party. A racist, fear-mongering and reactionary joke. It is unquestionably a good thing that they did not win any region. If people would stop calling the FN racist, that would be great. It's not because they are debating over heated issues while the other parties put their head on the ground that the FN is racist. It might have been 15y ago, but it is not now. Of course it is still racist. Try digging a little deeper than Marine Le Pen's superficial re-branding. So close to 28% of the people who bother to vote should be labeled as racists then It’s the shoe fits. It wouldn’t be the first time a section of the population decided to be nationalistic and racist. The US has our own little section of those people too rallying together.
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On December 14 2015 20:03 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2015 18:57 maybenexttime wrote:
Second of all, who is demolishing the Constitutional Tribunal? Legally, it is much more likely that PiS is in the right here, not PO. As far as I can tell, the Constitutional Tribunal is currently highly partisan. It clearly tried to give its verdict on the constitutionality of the June 2015 act as late as possible, hoping that by then the President will have sworn those new judges in... Read what I wrote about this whole debacle earlier:
This is BS. At least half of current judges were elected with support from PiS. They didnt have problems with them when they were elected. They only started to be "partisan" when they got into PISs way.
I don't care whether or not PiS had any objections with those nominations. I am talking about the facts. The Constitutional Tribunal was evidently partisan as regards the matter in question. Three of the judges had worked on the act that was later on deemed as partially unconstitutional (although it was PO that added in the questionable article). When PiS objected, the president of the Tribunal first downplayed the objection and then procrastinated for several months and intended not to exclude the three involved judges from adjudicating on the matter, despite an obvious conflict of interest.
Constitution defines Tribunal as HIGHEST and LAST authority in those matters. Nothing some law proffesor or other elected officials says can change that.
Bullshit. The Tribunal has no authority to determine whether a parliamentary resolution was constitutional. The Tribunal's authority is limited to the sphere of normative acts of law, both according to the Constitution and the Constitutional Tribunal Act. They do not mention parliamentary resolutions anywhere.
+ Show Spoiler [The Constitution] +"Article 188
The Constitutional Tribunal shall adjudicate regarding the following matters:
1. the conformity of statutes and international agreements to the Constitution; 2. the conformity of a statute to ratified international agreements whose ratification required prior consent granted by statute; 3. the conformity of legal provisions issued by central State organs to the Constitution, ratified international agreements and statutes; 4. the conformity to the Constitution of the purposes or activities of political parties; 5. complaints concerning constitutional infringements, as specified in Article 79, para. 1."
"Article 79
1. In accordance with principles specified by statute, everyone whose constitutional freedoms or rights have been infringed, shall have the right to appeal to the Constitutional Tribunal for its judgment on the conformity to the Constitution of a statute or another normative act upon which basis a court or organ of public administration has made a final decision on his freedoms or rights or on his obligations specified in the Constitution.
2. The provisions of para. 1 above shall not relate to the rights specified in Article 56."
http://www.sejm.gov.pl/prawo/konst/angielski/kon1.htm
And while agree GW and TVN are highly partisan and foreign media often misrepresnt events becuase they rely on them as sources for information, the sources You are quoting are partisan as well. Just from the other side.
Which sources that I am using are partisan? Wikipedia (which references the Constitution and respective acts of law)? The official website of the Constitutional Tribunal? Well, I give you that, because they removed the decision that the Tribunal would have to assemble as a full court (you have to dig into their archive to find it), even though it was still binding (and thus rendered the verdict as null). Perhaps the Constitutional Tribunal Act from June 2015 or the Constitution? Or maybe you meant "Rzeczpospolita"? In my opinion it is relatively non-partisan (and slightly pro-PO, if anything, after the cleansing made by Hajdarowicz).
Also You are not translating sources You are quoting. You are missrepresenting them.
That is a serious accusation. Can you prove it?
The Constitutional Tribunal Act states as follows:
"Poza kognicją Trybunału Konstytucyjnego pozostają natomiast te wszystkie akty konstytucyjnych organów państwa, które nie mają charakteru normatywnego (nie ustanawiają norm prawnych), a więc - w szczególności - akty indywidualne (takim aktem jest np. uchwała Sejmu określająca terminy i sposób rozpatrywania konkretnego projektu ustawy)."
"Art. 44
1. Trybunał orzeka: 1) w pełnym składzie w sprawach: a) zgodności ustaw przed ich podpisaniem i umów międzynarodowych przed ich ratyfikacją z Konstytucją, b) stwierdzenia przeszkody w sprawowaniu urzędu przez Prezydenta Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej oraz powierzenia Marszałkowi Sejmu tymczasowego wykonywania obowiązków Prezydenta Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej, c) zgodności z Konstytucją celów lub działalności partii politycznych, d) sporów kompetencyjnych między centralnymi konstytucyjnymi organami państwa, e) w których skład orzekający Trybunału zamierza odstąpić od poglądu prawnego wyrażonego w orzeczeniu wydanym w pełnym składzie, f) o szczególnej zawiłości lub doniosłości;"
http://trybunal.gov.pl/o-trybunale/akty-normatywne/ustawa-o-trybunale-konstytucyjnym/
You do the translation, so that I don't "misrepresent" the source...
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I dont need to prove anything. Anyone with something as basic as google translate can see that You posted Your interparation of things rather than direct translation.
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On December 15 2015 00:18 Silvanel wrote: I dont need to prove anything. Anyone with something as basic as google translate can see that You posted Your interparation of things rather than direct translation.
It's easy to throw baseless, insulting accusations.
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This is going to end so badly. Society has never been more polarized then today. What a horror it must be to live in france, where 28% of the people are facists worse then hitler/sarcasm. 1/3rd of the population thinks another 1/3rd of the population is completely crazy. And so Europe becomes one and united,jajaja.
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On December 14 2015 18:57 maybenexttime wrote: "There are already symptoms of the appearance of very dangerous diseases, long not seen in Europe. Cholera on Greek islands, dysentery in Vienna. Different sorts of parasites, protozoa, which are harmless in organisms of those people, but may become harmful here (as in for people living in Europe). It does not mean we should discriminate against someone, but this should be verified."
Indeed, spoken like Adolf Hitler... I don't see anything controversial in what he said. times/
Well you should. He's making it sound like they're trying to sell us smallpox blankets or something. We have healthcare here, if anybody carries a dangerous disease he's going to get treated. Also cholera and dysentery aren't harmless among immigrants, almost any dangerous disease is already spread across the globe anyway. His talk about alien parasites is completely ridiculous.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jul/23/are-illegal-immigrants-bringing-tremendous-diseas/
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On December 15 2015 01:11 Rassy wrote: This is going to end so badly. Society has never been more polarized then today. What a horror it must be to live in france, where 28% of the people are facists worse then hitler/sarcasm. 1/3rd of the population thinks another 1/3rd of the population is completely crazy. And so Europe becomes one and united,jajaja. It's class racism. People voting for the FN are less educated, comes from rural area and not the city, so it's easy to discard them as dangerous idiots. It's almost a caricature : a certain type of people in France are even more gentle towards young french kids who decide to blow themselves and kill innocents in Paris than with people voting for the national front.
On December 14 2015 20:33 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2015 01:58 WhiteDog wrote:On December 13 2015 01:56 RvB wrote:A lot of the reduction in poverty in the last years was in China. With an export led economy I don't see how you can make the argument that the reduction in poverty that globalisation has a small/no role. Though technology also obviously has a big role. On December 13 2015 01:41 Simberto wrote: That last argument is bad. The retirement age rising could either mean what you are saying, or that we just get older on average. While in 1950, someone who was retiring at 65 might have another 5 years or so to live on average, nowadays it is more along the lines of 10-20+ years or so. A lot of people don't realise how expensive even 1 year of retirement really is. Especially with these low interest rates it's getting unbearably expensive. Because China is an exemple of a globalized country to you ? It is its state, the action of the state, and not the opening of borders, that is at the core of China's success. Even the corruption is a barrier in China. If you want to seek the archetype globalized country, again, look at africa : just a quick search and I see that China's imports as part of GDP is half that of the ivory coast or congo for exemple. Most notably, China's imports as % of GDP has been declining recently, as it entered into the fray of developped countries. Just saying, there is a reason as to why Gaza is more globalized (in % of GDP) than Israel. Your beautiful and happy vision of the globalization is the vision of the dominant, happy few that profit (for a moment, only until another country find a flaw and eat you alive, which is what china is doing right now) from what the poor should actually call a dependancy on international trade. Look at data here. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.IMP.GNFS.ZS?order=wbapi_data_value_2014 wbapi_data_value wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc There are indexes which try to measure globalisation. Nowhere have I seen Africa being more globalised than European countries. These have their share of problems but they're more accurate than just using imports or trade as share of GDP. Show nested quote +The most globalised country is Belgium, followed by the Netherlands, Switzerland, the UK,Austria, and Germany. In general, the top end of the list is dominated by European countries. Interestingly, however, Malaysia managed to make a jump by 10 ranks and is now the ninth most globalised country and Jordan is on rank 12. The BRICS countries, which are said to be the biggest emerging economies of the twenty-first century rank 39 (Russia), 53 (South Africa), 71 (China), 75 (Brazil), and 85 (India). Most interestingly here is that South Africa actually lost six ranks, while all the others increased their rank between 11 and 18 ranks. pimmartens.infoFrom the Maastricht globalisation index. The state is not at the core of China's succes. It's markets and opening up their economy. Show nested quote + This analysis supports the conclusion that almost all of the growth of urban employment in China since 1978 is due to the expansion of private firms, including privately owned foreign firms. Private urban employment expanded from 150,000 in 1978, or 0.2 percent of urban employment, to an estimated 253 million in 2011 (table 3.8). In 2011 employment in privately controlled firms accounted for two-thirds of China’s urban labor force. More impressively, the increase in private urban employment, almost entirely the result of the formation of new privately owned or privately controlled businesses, accounts for 95 percent of the growth of the urban labor force since 1978.27 Government employment also expanded by an estimated 15 million over the same period.28 The corollary of these changes is that the absolute numbers of employees in state and collective fi rms in urban areas today is slightly less than in 1978 But, given the large expansion of the urban labor force, the employment share of state and collective firms fell from 99.8 percent in 1978 to about 18 percent by 2011.
The growing role of the private sector in generating China’s exports is also worth noting. As refl ected in fi gure 3.3, state-owned companies accounted for two-thirds of China’s total exports as recently as 1995. But their share fell continuously starting in the second half of the 1990s. By 2012 state fi rms accounted for only 11 percent of China’s by then much larger volume of exports. Initially, as the role of state-owned fi rms in exporting receded, foreign fi rms expanded their share of China’s exports, allowing China’s total exports to continue to grow robustly. But the foreign fi rm share of total exports peaked in 2005, and China has since become increasingly dependent on private domestic fi rms to sustain its role as a major exporting economy. Private fi rms’ share of exports has grown so much that since 2009 the expansion of the value of private fi rms’ exports has exceeded that of foreign fi rms
bookstore.piie.comIt's in chapter 3 which you can dl. Show nested quote +Most virtuous development processes involve managing distributive conflict; building adequate state and business capacity, with the state having sufficient countervailing power to limit abuse of market power by powerful capitalist groups and resolving sociopolitical contests in favour of broad-based provisioning.
But markets do not bring progress in other dimensions of human development, and the evidence suggests that markets are necessary but certainly not enough. These 2 parts you quoted in an earlier post. I don't see how it supports your point that markets have almost no effect? It flat out says that markets are necessary. Yes working institutions and a well regulated market are necessary to grow out of poverty but those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. I call construction bias on your measure of globalization. It's some kind of multidimensional indicator made so that it push all african countries out, and somehow over represent european countries, obviously. If you look at how the indicator is made, it value - as I did - imports and exports as % of GDP as the main indicator of how economically globalized a country is, but also (next to that) it add some political dimension to this, that has the effect to - obviously - favor european countries (due to the european union, which is not the effect of the globalization, at least not my mind, but rather a political process). The indicator create a certain vision of globalization to me. About China, you say market I say state. You have your numbers, I can give you many. Just to quickly give a simple answer to the question, think about opposing India and China : why is it that India has more economical success than India ? Is it its openess to financial flow and to the private sector ? Amartya Sen gave its own answers (more informed than mine or yours) : it is the quality of the human capital, in respect to public investment in health and education, that permitted China to be the powerhouse it is today. http://live.worldbank.org/amartya-sen-why-china-ahead-india-liveblog-and-webcast
Of course globalization is not strictly speaking opposed to the development a national government. But oftentime it is : oftentime the globalization takes the face of a liberalization and a dismantlement of state monopoly, that can have negative effects. Against that simplistic vision of globalization, I am basically saying that the democratic debate should be able to discuss those matters, far from any dogmatism : it should be okay to discuss protecting a specific sphere of the economy for a short time, it should be okay for a country to accept limiting the process of globalization in specific field in order to help a sector grow, etc.
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On December 15 2015 03:16 WhiteDog wrote: It's class racism. People voting for the FN are less diplomed, comes from rural area and not the city, so it's easy to discard them as dangerous idiots.
Not even so sure about this any more. What I found really ridiculous is that the FN is starting to win over the gay vote(new.spectator.co.uk). I don't know what drives these people. I remember the guy who shot himself in the Notre Dame as part of a demonstration against gay marriage and Marine Le Pen paying him her respects.
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On December 15 2015 03:23 Nyxisto wrote:What I found really ridiculous is that the FN is starting to win over the gay vote( new.spectator.co.uk). I don't know what drives these people. I remember the guy who shot himself in the Notre Dame as part of a demonstration against gay marriage and Marine Le Pen paying him her respects. The FN (intelligently - the FN is very good from a strategic standpoint, it basically robbed the extreme left) never took side in regards to the gay mariage, and its second in chief - Florian Philippot - is homosexual. So it kinda created a "gay friendly" image...
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