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c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

July 12 2015 22:34 GMT

#3861

On July 13 2015 06:51 Taguchi wrote:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/killing-the-european-project/?_r=0

From the Maastricht treaty:
+ Show Spoiler +

That is all. Start getting your bets in on who's next.

Welcome back to this thread!

How are things in Greece right now?

bookwyrm

United States722 Posts

July 12 2015 22:36 GMT

#3862

If you think I'm a globalist you are very deeply confused. I'm a fervent anti globalist. I believe in regionalism and local autonomy. Solidarity with comrades who are engaged in local struggles against the internationalism of globalizing capital is not at all the same as proposing a globalism of one's own.

But if it makes you happy to think you know exactly what i think about everything already, rather than actually responding to the things I say, well who am i to deny you your simple pleasures. Hell, I don't even know what I think about everything. I'm like, an intellectual and stuff. I spend my time thinking about problems because, you know, there ARE such things as real problems in the world (like this one). What I've done here is to try to share some of my thoughts about things, but I'm not going to type my dissertation into TL

all I know is, when they start issuing drachma bonds I'm going to buy one and hang it on the wall of my office.

but if you want me to shout some slogans I can do that too. Deleverage everything now! Death to oligarchs! Nationalism against the vampire squid!

I have a favorite slogan re: the fascist technocratic project that is the eurozone, but I don't think TL mods would get the humor

nunez

Norway4003 Posts

July 12 2015 22:45 GMT

#3863

system is unstable, suggestion?
remove positive feedback loop.
non sequitur, in italics.

bookwyrm

United States722 Posts

July 12 2015 22:47 GMT

#3864

On July 13 2015 07:45 nunez wrote:
system is unstable, suggestion?
remove positive feedback loop.
non sequitur, in italics.

shit, nunez just solved the whole problem with a fucking haiku. time for me to retire in shame

nunez

Norway4003 Posts

July 12 2015 22:53 GMT

#3865

start your second career as neolibral hypeman.
plenty of openings i'm sure.

warding

Portugal2397 Posts

July 12 2015 22:56 GMT

#3866

There are two kinds of posters in this topic:
- Those that discuss the issues at hand while informed by their own set of beliefs, and;
- Those that inform everyone else of their set of beliefs, using the issues at hand as pretext.

The former kind is much less annoying.

Evil_Sheep

Canada902 Posts

July 12 2015 23:01 GMT

#3867

Integra

Sweden5626 Posts

July 12 2015 23:14 GMT

#3868

Germanys strong stance against Greece seems to have backfired;
Germany are now getting strong criticism around the world for their hard approach regarding Greece, even outside sources such as CNN now condemn it, and even Germanys own Media, such as Spiegel calls it "cruelty".

Alexis Tsipras has apparently given a ultimatum directed to Germany to withdraw some of it's points or Greece leaves EU.

Gorsameth

Netherlands22488 Posts

July 12 2015 23:17 GMT

#3869

I wish all these people against the proposal would tell me how you can assure that a government that has repeatedly broken agreements and reverted reforms keeps up this proposal and doesn't make off with the money like last time.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

July 12 2015 23:22 GMT

#3870

On July 13 2015 08:14 Integra wrote:
Germanys strong stance against Greece seems to have backfired;
Germany are now getting strong criticism around the world for their hard approach regarding Greece, even outside sources such as CNN now condemn it, and even Germanys own Media, such as Spiegel calls it "cruelty".

Alexis Tsipras has apparently given a ultimatum directed to Germany to withdraw some of it's points or Greece leaves EU.

Add to that that Die Linke as well as Die Grünen (german oposition, duh) are heavily criticizing as well as SPD (Merkels coalition partner). So if we get a deal, whatever it might be it'll at least be easy to get it through parliament in Germany with how everyone hates on Schäuble&Merkel atm.

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

July 12 2015 23:24 GMT

#3871

How many parliaments would have to balk at passing a new deal to completely torpedo it? (Looking just at the State level. Ignoring whether at the EU level it's accepted.)

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

July 12 2015 23:32 GMT

#3872

I have actually no idea

Kenpark

Germany2350 Posts

July 12 2015 23:48 GMT

#3873

What I'm asking myself this whole time. Was nobody in Greece asking who is gonna pay for all the election promises Syriza did ?

gsgfdf

Greece2 Posts

July 12 2015 23:48 GMT

#3874

On July 13 2015 07:34 c0ldfusion wrote:

Show nested quote +

Welcome back to this thread!

How are things in Greece right now?

Well, we voted no to austerity... And we get the worst deal so far...
We accepted that deal... And we now need to give 50 billions in assets at an institution in Luxemburg...

So far so good

c0ldfusion

United States8293 Posts

July 12 2015 23:52 GMT

#3875

On July 13 2015 08:48 gsgfdf wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well, we voted no to austerity... And we get the worst deal so far...
We accepted that deal... And we now need to give 50 billions in assets at an institution in Luxemburg...

So far so good

Are there going to be riots in the coming weeks?

I'm not being facetious when I say that. I'm genuinely concerned about this powder keg situation.

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

July 12 2015 23:53 GMT

#3876

On July 13 2015 08:48 gsgfdf wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well, we voted no to austerity... And we get the worst deal so far...
We accepted that deal... And we now need to give 50 billions in assets at an institution in Luxemburg...

So far so good

Two more rounds of voting, and you'll need to agree to give them your first-born.

(I only wish that was slightly more of a joke)

LegalLord

United States13779 Posts

July 13 2015 00:03 GMT

#3877

I don't think there's any more negotiation at this point. It's this deal or nothing. If Greece agrees to worse terms than this, then they are going to get the short end of the stick, and I'm sure Greece is aware of that.

They should just take the deal they originally offered.

Integra

Sweden5626 Posts

July 13 2015 00:08 GMT

#3878

Hopefully this is indeed the last meeting since I'm starting to get a feeling that if they keep going like this the reputation of EU will be so bad that no one really will take them seriously any more regardless if Greece stays or not.

rezoacken

Canada2719 Posts

July 13 2015 00:10 GMT

#3879

On July 13 2015 08:48 Kenpark wrote:
What I'm asking myself this whole time. Was nobody in Greece asking who is gonna pay for all the election promises Syriza did ?

Politics 101 I guess. Promise the moon when you're elected and then once in place you'll have to compromise like any democratic government before you. Same reason why the opposition always has the easy job. It's way easier to criticize than finding solutions.

gsgfdf

Greece2 Posts

July 13 2015 00:12 GMT

#3880

On July 13 2015 08:52 c0ldfusion wrote:

Show nested quote +

Are there going to be riots in the coming weeks?

I'm not being facetious when I say that. I'm genuinely concerned about this powder keg situation.

I am almost certain that we are past that. Tbh if you are not interested in the situation (a tourist for example), you probably haven't realised something is up. There are lines at ATM's and the market has basically frozen but given the circumstances things are calm. On the other hand, there is a huge division among Greeks and if we exit the EU i am genuinely afraid of what will happen. At least this whole mess has backfired in Germany's face.

As far as first-borns are concerned, those were part of the first deal, we are negotiating kidneys at the moment