EPTThis obviously doesn't mean that mainstream parties don't offer social programs. They're just awful at advertising them or the programs don't make difference big enough to be noticed by the average person.
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Sent.
Poland9262 Posts
This obviously doesn't mean that mainstream parties don't offer social programs. They're just awful at advertising them or the programs don't make difference big enough to be noticed by the average person. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22008 Posts
Populist parties over the heavens and inevitably fall flat when do manage to get into power. | ||
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Poland9262 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Now there are always two major questions to be answered with that: 1) who pays 2) who profits 1) The current taxation models tax the middle classes much more than they used to. So these people are pissed if their tax money is used on something, from which they don't profit themselves. That affects many former voters of the left. 2) If you help the poorest, you are mostly helping migrants nowadays. This is unpopular to begin with, but also those migrants can't vote so it's not like you are feeding your own interest groups. In my eyes this leads to quite fucked up "social" programs from conservatives and nationalists. Instead of embracing liberal politics in general, the high taxation of the middle classes gets used to "help" the middle classes. Which in essence just means that those right-wing parties use money from people not living a conservative life style (fully taxed middle class) to put forward little goodies for when you build a house, marry, have kids, go to church, stay in your hometown, produce or buy traditional goods and customs etc. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11690 Posts
On February 21 2018 21:02 Sent. wrote: I think part of the reason why "illiberal" parties are gaining popularity is that they promise (and sometimes deliver) big social programs that make things like starting family or buying property much easier for ordinary people. Telling people to rent isn't going to make anyone popular, promising to build and sell cheap houses will. This obviously doesn't mean that mainstream parties don't offer social programs. They're just awful at advertising them or the programs don't make difference big enough to be noticed by the average person. Renting in Germany isn't something that people hate. They are usually quite fine with renting, even forever. The culture surrounding rent is a lot different here. It is not seen as a temporary thing until you can buy something. Renting is a normal way of living. The problem is that currently, rents are risings incredibly quickly in major cities. And that is what people dislike. They are fine with renting, as long as it is affordable and as long as it is reasonably easy to find a new apartment if you need one for whatever reason (more rooms, different city, whatever). Currently, it is basically impossible to find an apartment in some cities, which makes the rent rise by 10% or so due to supply and demand. This, in return, leads to people wanting to get rid of tenants to be able to increase the rent further, and it means that you can never change your apartment, as that would mean that you pay 50% more for the same type of apartment due to increases in rent in between you renting your current flat and you renting your new flat. And that situation sucks. But renting in general is fine. | ||
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Poland9262 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On February 22 2018 02:37 Sent. wrote: I'm not saying renting is bad, I'm saying people won't like you more if you tell them renting is an option. You're just stating a fact. Another thing is that - as you said - currently rents are rising, so stating that fact without offering a solution may make some people disappointed. people also need to be willing to move. Rents are rising in Berlin because every year a bazillion people think it's hip and exciting to live in the city centre. Yes you can build more housing and every city should maximize and prioritise this, but you can't magically remove the laws of supply and demand. When more people are moving into a city than anybody can supply with living space than rents and prices are going to skyrocket. For many people the smarter move would be to move to a city like Cologne which still offers plenty of jobs but hasn't appreciated in price. This is also a big problem of high home-ownership societies. People are glued to one geographic location which results in low rates of entrepreneurship, low social mobility, dependence on the family, and so on. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Emmanuel Macron unveils plans to crack down on immigration Activists say proposals to speed up requests threaten rights of asylum seekers in France Tough proposals to crack down on immigration and asylum in France have been unveiled by Emmanuel Macron’s government amid complaints from human rights groups and street protests by some public agents in charge of asylum procedures. The legislation is aimed at speeding up the process for asylum requests and for expelling migrants who aren unable to claim asylum. It would also double to 90 days the time a person without papers can be kept in a holding centre. The bill, which criminalises illegal border crossing, has sparked anger from charities who called it oppressive. The plan, to be debated in parliament in April, will reduce the consideration period for an application for asylum to a maximum of six months, down from about a year including appeal. Human rights activists say this will make it more difficult for asylum seekers to defend their rights. The interior minister, Gérard Collomb, insisted the plan was balanced and in line with European procedures. The bill is proving to be one of the most divisive of Macron’s presidency. His centrist parliamentary majority is made up of MPs with roots in both the left and right. Until now they have been firmly united but cracks have shown over immigration. Some on the left of Macron’s party have expressed concern. Workers at France’s refugee protection office, Ofpra, went on strike to protest against the bill, branding it “an unequivocal departure from France’s tradition of asylum”. There were concerns it was being pushed through too fast with an eye on public opinion. Polls have consistently shown a majority of French people believe there are too many migrants in France. While campaigning to be president, the pro-business Macron won over the left with promises of a more humane asylum policy. He paid homage to Angela Merkel, saying she saved Europe’s “collective dignity” by opening Germany’s doors to refugees in 2015. In power, Macron’s slogan on immigration has shifted to “Humane and firm.” A set of interior ministry orders in December sparked criticism after regional authorities were instructed to set up “mobile teams” to run immigration checks in homeless centres to ascertain the status of migrants. More than 100,000 people applied for asylum in France last year, up 17% from the year before. About 36% of applicants were granted refugee status. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/21/emmanuel-macron-unveils-plans-to-crack-down-on-immigration-france | ||
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Poland9262 Posts
Angela Merkel: Link EU funds to migrant integration Europe needs new start, German chancellor says ahead of summit. BERLIN — The distribution of EU funds should be linked to member countries’ willingness to accept and integrate migrants, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday, ahead of an informal summit in Brussels where EU leaders will discuss the bloc’s next long-term budget. “With the distribution of structural funds, we must ensure that the allocation criteria in future reflect the engagement of many regions and municipalities in absorbing and integrating migrants,” Merkel told the Bundestag. “Solidarity cannot be a one-way street,” Merkel said. The upcoming debate on the bloc’s financial framework between 2021 and 2027 will be a chance to look at the finances of the EU as a whole, Merkel said. She said Britain’s departure from the EU — which will leave a hole of €14 billion per year in the budget — means the bloc has to prepare for change. “We need a new start for Europe,” she said. “More than ever we need European answers to the pressing, big questions of our time.” The chancellor also called on the EU to beef up resources for its border protection agency, Frontex, saying: “The European Union has 14,000 kilometers of external borders, meaning Frontex’s staffing needs to be massively improved.” Merkel reiterated that a new coalition between her conservatives and the Social Democrats (SPD) would be pro-European, saying “it is no coincidence that the first chapter of the coalition agreement is on Europe.” | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5712 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5712 Posts
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + In January 2016 the Embassy of Ukraine in Warsaw informed that the number of Ukrainian residents in Poland was half a million with permanent status, and probably around one million in total. Ukrainian Ambassador to Poland, Andrii Deshchytsia, noted that Ukrainian professionals enjoy good reputation in Poland and in spite of their growing numbers Polish-Ukrainian relations remain very good. + Show Spoiler + The number of applications for refugee status rose 50 times following the start of War in Donbass in Eastern Ukraine in 2014. However, most new applicants are not eligible to claim refugee protection in Poland, because Ukraine is a sovereign country with a democratic government fully accountable to its citizens. Resident visas in Poland are available in other immigration categories.[3] After 2014, more Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine, more men, and more younger Ukrainians have been working in Poland.[5] | ||
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Poland9262 Posts
• Russia being Russia isn't a direct cause, but it made the already poor Ukraine even poorer, so lots of Ukrainians migrate. Not just to Poland, I remember reading somewhere that far more people with Ukrainian passports moved to Russia. Seems like Ukraine isn't a good place to live in right now. • Lots of Poles moved to Western Europe while our economy kept on growing, so we have a lot of jobs to offer. Especially shitty physical jobs nobody wants, like those the stereotyipcal Polish immigrants have in the West. • Short travel distance, similar language and culture make Poland attractive for seasonal workers from Ukraine (and Belarus to a lesser extent). Some of them choose to stay, but I think the majority doesn't plan to settle here permanently. • There are laws that make it easier for people from former USSR to get visas. Recently the EU made it even easier for Ukrainians to migrate West. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 23 2018 05:22 maybenexttime wrote: My hometown is roughly 10% Ukrainian and they are relatively well integrated. Gib monies. According to one-half of my government, all of my country is German. Although I'm not certain how to judge whether we are well-integrated into the Austrian culture, since "the Austrian nation is an ideological misscarriage". Anyways, gib monies! | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
Seriously who votes for these people? Do they seriously dream of some kind of pan-German state where they have no say at all? Sounds like a weird submissive fantasy | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10825 Posts
In Switzerland even suggesting joining the EU is a really hard sell that won't play good with ~70-80% of the populance. Joining Germany? Rofl... The Swiss(-German) identity is kinda based on being "not germany" and germans here face probably more day to day "hidden racism" than any other group. FFS rooting against Germany in any sport, may well be one of our most distinct national unifiers today... | ||
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