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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 18 2018 22:20 GMT
#21101
The prime minister of Hungary, Viktor Orbán, has ramped up his populist rhetoric ahead of April elections to claim that “dark clouds are gathering” and that his country is a last bastion in the fight against the “Islamisation” of Europe.

In his annual state of the nation speech, Orbán, who already appears set to win a third consecutive four-year term, made what are now familiar claims about his success in beating back threats to Hungary’s way of life from “Brussels, Berlin and Paris politicians”.

“We sent the muzzle back to Brussels and the leash back to the IMF,” he said early in his address on Sunday, praising the strength of the country’s economy.

The part of his speech which inevitably alighted on the threat of immigration will particularly concern Orbán’s many critics home and abroad.

He claimed the west had “opened the way for the decline of Christian culture and … Islamic expansion” while his administration had “prevented the Islamic world from flooding us from the south”.

Deploying a host of questionable statistics and apocalyptic visions, Orbán said: “We are those who think that Europe’s last hope is Christianity … If hundreds of millions of young people are allowed to move north, there will be enormous pressure on Europe. If all this continues, in the big cities of Europe there will be a Muslim majority.”

He said immigration was no more helpful for a country’s national development than influenza contributed to a human body’s health.

The rhetoric will strengthen the hand of those calling for Orbán’s rightwing populist party Fidesz to be ousted from the transnational European People’s party, of which Angela Merkel’s CDU is a member.

Orbán’s personal bete noire, the Hungarian-American financier and philanthropist George Soros, was also once again a target.

He accused Soros of having used his fortune not only to buy influence in Brussels and the west, but also at the UN. Further unspecified measures were floated as a response, building on legislation designed to crack down on foreign-funded organisations.

There was a conspiracy to create a “Homo sorosensus, the Soros type of man” that must be a rejected, he said.

“Hungary is not a country of troubled people, we understand that György Soros’s men were already in the UN,” Orbán told his audience at the Várkert Bazár, a restored neo-Renaissance building on the Danube, outside which hundreds of people protested.

Orbán pledged his government’s solidarity with “those western European people and leaders who want to save their country and their Christian culture”.

“We are waiting for the Italian elections, where Silvio Berlusconi can again occupy the government positions.”

Gyula Molnár, the president of the socialist MSZP, said of the speech: “It was the product of a medium-sized enterprise manager with some fake illusions.”

Fidesz has the support of more than 40% of decided voters in a country where the media is largely pliant and the opposition divided.


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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 18 2018 22:33 GMT
#21102
On February 19 2018 07:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The rhetoric will strengthen the hand of those calling for Orbán’s rightwing populist party Fidesz to be ousted from the transnational European People’s party, of which Angela Merkel’s CDU is a member.

LOL, that racist crook belongs to the EPP and they still have not kicked him yet? The European right is so pathetic
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 18 2018 22:40 GMT
#21103
Yep he's something else. It's crazy that his fucking party is at 40%
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-19 10:41:03
February 19 2018 10:40 GMT
#21104
The fact that he secretly accepted refugees suggest that he is more of populist and oportunist than simple racist. He knows that saying this things will get him elected again. And yet he is prepered to cave in secretly to avoid the wrath of Brussels which to me suggest that anti immigration is for him more of a tool than actual policy goal.
Pathetic Greta hater.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 19 2018 13:44 GMT
#21105
Shortly after midnight on Jan. 24, the home-made device David Puente built to catch fake Twitter accounts in the act started rumbling.

In just over a minute, more than 150 users sent out the same tweet extolling Italian anti-euro populist Matteo Salvini, a contender in next month’s presidential election. It was obvious to Puente, a computer programmer, that they were bots, or automated accounts that masquerade as real people and are used increasingly as a tool to sway political opinion.

“Monitoring the accounts of all the candidates is a civic duty for me," said Puente, 35, who often stays up until 3 a.m. tracking social-media activity from his home in northern Italy while his family sleeps.

Fake accounts on Twitter and Facebook that have lain dormant since a 2016 referendum campaign are springing back to life before the Italian ballot on March 4. Polls indicate no clear winner, leaving plenty of room for different factions to exploit social media to try to swing more votes their way.

Findings of the digital forensic research lab at Atlantic Council in Washington suggest the campaign could be vulnerable to manipulation using these robot accounts. Such concerns were validated just last week when U.S. special prosecutor Robert Mueller detailed a sweeping conspiracy orchestrated by Russia to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, with social media a key to the effort. Bots -- which follow, tweet, re-tweet and like content -- can exaggerate the support for smaller factions and spread false or inadequate information.

The use of bots isn’t illegal, but they can have a real effect on voter intentions, according to Maks Czuperski, a director of at Atlantic Council lab who’s part of a team traveling to Italy next week to monitor internet activity in the run-up to the vote. “We are detecting an attempt to popularize the more extreme parties, both right and left," he said.

The council is keeping an eye on election-related activity on social media with the help of volunteers like Puente, who developed a program in his spare time that allows him to identify how a tweet is generated.

By analyzing the underlying code of the suspicious tweets sent in January, he traced them to the website of Salvini’s Northern League and linked to the party’s official Twitter feed, @LegaSalvini. Puente quickly posted his findings on his blog and then to his more than 7,000 followers on Twitter. He tagged Salvini in the tweet, which lamented the use of automated accounts to spew propaganda. It was re-tweeted almost 350 times.

Salvini’s press office didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Salvini is a longshot to become Italy’s next prime minister, but his coalition with ex-premier Silvio Berlusconi, head of the centrist Forza Italia party, gives his party more of a chance.

While Berlusconi has shot down ally’s views on the euro, the anti-establishment Five Star Movement also questions the benefit of European Union membership. That’s one reason some analysts suspect Russia may try to meddle in the vote to expose fissures in the EU.

A report by the U.S. Senate last month highlighted Italy as a potential target for the Kremlin, and the Atlantic Council found evidence tying Russian hackers to fake online activity leading up to Germany’s general election and Catalonia’s struggle for independence from Spain last year.

“Italian elections are crucial for Russia,” said Michael Carpenter, former U.S. deputy assistant secretary for defense, now senior director of the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy. “If Russia can help achieve its desired electoral outcome it will try.”

Fyodor Lukyanov, head of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, a research group that advises the Kremlin, slammed the allegations. “Everywhere there's an election, we're accused of intervening. In this case, there's no point at all because in Italy, traditionally all political forces are positively-minded toward Russia.”

The use of bots, which by one estimate account for 15 percent of Twitter’s approximately 330 million users, to further political agendas has been on the radar since the election of Donald Trump. Automated tweets accounted for 19 percent of election tweets leading up to his 2016 victory, according to findings of the University of Southern California.

Italians are worried about being duped. A poll published by La Stampa newspaper on Feb. 5 found about 80 percent of respondents believe that falsified reports have the power to swing the vote. About half said they’d been fooled by fake news over the last 12 months.

Facebook Inc. has taken out ads in Italian newspapers asking users to flag suspicious activity. Italian police are on alert, too, encouraging users to report suspicious posts – and there’s even an portal where users can submit dubious material for police checks.

"It is not all about changing voters’ minds,” said Carpenter, of the Penn Biden Center. “It is also about fomenting animosities and fueling political divisions.”


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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 19 2018 14:59 GMT
#21106
This "Russian meddling scenario" at each election is so boring...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2018 16:12 GMT
#21107
On February 19 2018 23:59 TheDwf wrote:
This "Russian meddling scenario" at each election is so boring...

I feel like it would be less of a story if we had any confidence in companies like Facebook and Google. But they seem dumbfounded by the entire thing. It likely won’t work a second time around, but who knows???
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Poland9183 Posts
February 20 2018 16:17 GMT
#21108
Germany's far-right AfD overtakes Social Democrats in poll
The populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) has overtaken the Social Democrats (SPD) in a national opinion poll for the first time. The news comes as the SPD begins a crucial vote on a coalition with Angela Merkel.

A poll published on behalf of German tabloid Bild has found that 16 percent of voters would choose the right-wing, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD), half-a-percent more than those who would vote for the Social Democrats (SPD).

The figures released by the INSA polling institute show the SPD in free fall. Germany's oldest political party has seen its polling figures plummet even further since it garnered just 20.5 percent of the vote in September's federal election, its worst result in the post-war era.

DW political correspondent Thomas Sparrow described the poll as a "bombshell," and part of a larger trend that sees traditional parties losing ground to the anti-immigrant AFD.

"Let's not forget that the AfD entered the German parliament for the first time in September, they became Germany's third most important force political in the parliament and they tap essentially into people's fears," Sparrow told DW television. "We are talking here about immigration, about their suspicions regarding the establishment, the established political parties, that's one of the reasons why they had been able to take some of those voters away from both the Conservatives and the Social Democrats."

The newspaper Bild described the survey "a bitter blow" for the SPD, while INSA chief Hermann Binkert said the poll showed that "the conservative bloc is currently the only truly mainstream party."


http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-far-right-afd-overtakes-social-democrats-in-poll/a-42648964?maca=en-aa-pol-863-rdf
You're now breathing manually
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 20 2018 16:35 GMT
#21109
Meanwhile 'Bild' is using all their boulevard propaganda power to fuck up the SPD, by subscribing a dog as SPD member to show that everyone, and what bothers them most, in particular foreigners that are SPD members, is able to vote on party matters such as the coalition paper.

Anyone remember what we call a right-wing collectivist that believes they have a right to interfere in matters of private organization, like those of a prviate party, based on nationalistic claims?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 20 2018 17:21 GMT
#21110
On February 21 2018 01:35 Big J wrote:
Meanwhile 'Bild' is using all their boulevard propaganda power to fuck up the SPD, by subscribing a dog as SPD member to show that everyone, and what bothers them most, in particular foreigners that are SPD members, is able to vote on party matters such as the coalition paper.

So uncivilized. At least in France, journalists registered a cat to vote in the PS primary.

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Anticapitalist cat running away from a Japanese investor
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 19:17:53
February 20 2018 19:17 GMT
#21111
What happened to Europe's left?


EUROPP – What Happened To Europe's Left?
Jan Rovny argues that while many commentators have linked the left's decline to the late-2000s financial crisis, the weakening of Europe's left reflects deep structural and technological changes that have reshaped European society, leaving left-wing parties out in the cold.

Together with workers' unions organising the work on factory floors, and later in offices, these organisations helped construct a working-class subculture that permeated the social as well as the political, and that ensured the electoral stability of the European left.

Second, the left's enabling of the search for rights allowed younger generations to seek personal liberation from traditional hierarchies, including those of the left.

The salience of this left and traditionalist political space, vacated by the mainstream left parties, would be boosted by another important structural development - the growth of transnational exchange.

Attracting a wide coalition of economic interests through its blurry economic proposals, as my earlier research shows, the radical right married its traditional petit bourgeois electorate to swaths of the new 'precariat', and outperformed the left as the dominant political voice of the contemporary working classes.

As my forthcoming work with Jonathan Polk, as well as with Bruno Palier and Allison Rovny demonstrates, in countries that experienced particularly drastic economic downturn during the economic recession, such as Greece and Spain, and where the 'precariat' consequently includes many young and educated citizens, the populist challengers are mostly radical left parties that call for a return to true - economically interventionist, and culturally liberal - left-wing politics.

Interestingly, in the context of this new political competition, the west resembles the east, and the mainstream left everywhere is left out in the cold.


topical article
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 20 2018 19:21 GMT
#21112
On February 21 2018 01:17 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
Germany's far-right AfD overtakes Social Democrats in poll
The populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) has overtaken the Social Democrats (SPD) in a national opinion poll for the first time. The news comes as the SPD begins a crucial vote on a coalition with Angela Merkel.

A poll published on behalf of German tabloid Bild has found that 16 percent of voters would choose the right-wing, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD), half-a-percent more than those who would vote for the Social Democrats (SPD).

The figures released by the INSA polling institute show the SPD in free fall. Germany's oldest political party has seen its polling figures plummet even further since it garnered just 20.5 percent of the vote in September's federal election, its worst result in the post-war era.

DW political correspondent Thomas Sparrow described the poll as a "bombshell," and part of a larger trend that sees traditional parties losing ground to the anti-immigrant AFD.

"Let's not forget that the AfD entered the German parliament for the first time in September, they became Germany's third most important force political in the parliament and they tap essentially into people's fears," Sparrow told DW television. "We are talking here about immigration, about their suspicions regarding the establishment, the established political parties, that's one of the reasons why they had been able to take some of those voters away from both the Conservatives and the Social Democrats."

The newspaper Bild described the survey "a bitter blow" for the SPD, while INSA chief Hermann Binkert said the poll showed that "the conservative bloc is currently the only truly mainstream party."


http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-far-right-afd-overtakes-social-democrats-in-poll/a-42648964?maca=en-aa-pol-863-rdf

Bah, the poll pressure will probably compel SPD voters to say yes to the GroKo, especially if the average age of voters is 132 years old.

I read that the Jusos guy has an interesting argument though, saying that no GroKo doesn't necessarily means new elections; a minority CDU government could happen instead.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 20 2018 20:11 GMT
#21113
On February 21 2018 04:17 Nyxisto wrote:
What happened to Europe's left?


Show nested quote +
EUROPP – What Happened To Europe's Left?
Jan Rovny argues that while many commentators have linked the left's decline to the late-2000s financial crisis, the weakening of Europe's left reflects deep structural and technological changes that have reshaped European society, leaving left-wing parties out in the cold.

Together with workers' unions organising the work on factory floors, and later in offices, these organisations helped construct a working-class subculture that permeated the social as well as the political, and that ensured the electoral stability of the European left.

Second, the left's enabling of the search for rights allowed younger generations to seek personal liberation from traditional hierarchies, including those of the left.

The salience of this left and traditionalist political space, vacated by the mainstream left parties, would be boosted by another important structural development - the growth of transnational exchange.

Attracting a wide coalition of economic interests through its blurry economic proposals, as my earlier research shows, the radical right married its traditional petit bourgeois electorate to swaths of the new 'precariat', and outperformed the left as the dominant political voice of the contemporary working classes.

As my forthcoming work with Jonathan Polk, as well as with Bruno Palier and Allison Rovny demonstrates, in countries that experienced particularly drastic economic downturn during the economic recession, such as Greece and Spain, and where the 'precariat' consequently includes many young and educated citizens, the populist challengers are mostly radical left parties that call for a return to true - economically interventionist, and culturally liberal - left-wing politics.

Interestingly, in the context of this new political competition, the west resembles the east, and the mainstream left everywhere is left out in the cold.


topical article


I think articles like these only tell half of the story. Politics can only get you so far. There is a fundamental truth to liberal pricing theories, that cannot be overcome by political means, no matter how democratic they are. You can organize people to fight for rights and to solidarize for a greater common good for the group. You cannot however make people not belonging to that group work against their own interests. For that you need to change the fundamentals of the pricing system. The much, much, much greater liberalizer than social-democratic parties were the two world wars and the economic crisis of 1929. Politics of organization only slowed down the process of returning to the extreme inequality (and with it the new precariat) of before those crisis.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 20 2018 22:38 GMT
#21114
If anybody wonders how much their money is worth these days:
German property prices rose by +7.9% in 2017, 8.8% in 2016.
https://de.reuters.com/article/deutschland-immobilien-idDEKCN1G41H8

Thank god Germany is doing so fine. Imagine if Germany did badly and 40 years from now nearly everyone from the currently young generation still had to pay rent. They'd be pretty fucked.
Good god am I happy that the young generation of Europe is swimming in money, easily being able to put aside 20k every year to make up for the capital price inflation plus another Xk to actually start saving for the property.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 23:57:41
February 20 2018 23:48 GMT
#21115
Property buying prices rising isn't that big of a deal, because obviously if you buy the property and it appreciates in price you benefit from the price increase. Rents rising at 4% is still tolerable.

It really isn't that bad in Germany in general because of a stagnating population size, you're not exactly painting a realistic picture.

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(rent increase from 2004-2014)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-20 23:56:21
February 20 2018 23:56 GMT
#21116
The Netherlands is starting to resemble a narco-state with the police unable to combat the emergence of a parallel criminal economy, a report from the Dutch police association has warned.

Official figures suggest crime is on a downward trend but officers say many victims have stopped reporting incidents while organised crime syndicates have been given a free rein.

“Only one in nine criminal groups can be tackled with the current people and resources,” the report given to the De Telegraaf newspaper says. “Detectives see that small criminals develop into wealthy entrepreneurs who establish themselves in the hospitality industry, housing market, middle class, travel agencies.”

The paper from the Dutch police union, based on interviews with 400 detectives, adds: “The Netherlands fulfils many characteristics of a narco-state. Detectives see a parallel economy emerge.”

Critics of the Dutch gedoogbeleid (tolerance policy) towards the sale of cannabis in coffee shops, and the legal status of prostitution in the country, claim the Netherlands has been inadvertently promoted as a major hub for the trafficking of drugs and people.

A large majority of ecstasy taken in Europe and the US comes from labs in the south of the country, which are increasingly run by Moroccan gangs involved in the production of cannabis. Half of the €5.7bn a year of cocaine taken in Europe comes through the port of Rotterdam, according to Europol.

The Dutch police association wants an extra 2,000 officers to be recruited, and its hard-hitting claim about the rise of organised crime will be seen by critics as an attempt to squeeze more money from central government.

However, the findings chime with a leaked report drafted earlier this year by the office of the public prosecutor for the Dutch cabinet.

While there has been a 25% drop in the number of recorded crimes over the past nine years, to below 1m, the paper reported that 3.5m crimes go unregistered every year. The report also raised fears that the authorities were being put at “an insurmountable disadvantage”.

The mayor of Amsterdam, its local police force and the Dutch capital’s public prosecutor also publicly warned this month of a growth in organised crime and a shift towards more invisible forms of crime embedded in neighbourhoods and often out of the control and sight of the authorities.

Amsterdam’s police chief, Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg, claimed his force was spending 60% to 70% of its time attempting to combat gang-related hit-jobs.

Young men were willing to carry out assassinations for as little as €3,000, he said in an interview this month. “In the 80s and 90s, professional hitmen from abroad came here for €50,000,” said Aalbersberg. “In recent years we see young boys from Amsterdam.”

With the police struggling to deal with the most high-profile crimes, it is claimed that officers are missing many others.

The Dutch police’s union’s report, published on Tuesday, warns that criminals who target the elderly and vulnerable are often going unpunished, with only an estimated 20% of such crimes reported to the police.

“The number of crimes against vulnerable people has increased due to the ageing population and more cutbacks in care,” the report says. “In particular, the theft, fraud and violence against the elderly and vulnerable people has increased enormously and insufficient attention is paid to this.”

The Dutch minister for justice and security, Ferd Grapperhaus, acknowledged he had received the police report warning of a “lack of capacity for the combat against organised crime”. He said: “It is a signal that we must take seriously. This government recognises that there is a need for investment in the police force.

“Therefore we are investing extra money in the coming years: an average of €267m every year. We also have fund for combating organised crime (€100m).

“However, the justice minister stresses that the Dutch police, together with the public prosecutor, are achieving effective results in the prosecution of drugs-related crime. Therefore the term ‘narco-state’ is not a qualification I would use.”


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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-21 00:43:54
February 21 2018 00:43 GMT
#21117
On February 21 2018 08:48 Nyxisto wrote:
Property buying prices rising isn't that big of a deal, because obviously if you buy the property and it appreciates in price you benefit from the price increase.


You're just hiding the problem in an "if"-phrase. That "if" has a certain probability, that is changing negatively with the changing ratio of income to property prices (for everyone that doesn't have property).
Once you resolve that "if" with the actual (personal) probability the weigthed outcome of (chance to buy property)*(property prices) is getting worse for most, and in particular young people who really can't be expected to already have property.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 21 2018 01:03 GMT
#21118
owning property isn't really important because if all you wanted was to own a home you can buy one for scraps in one of the bazillion cities where property prices are dropping.

It's only relevant if you also have fast appreciating rents or living space in general, because then people get squeezed out of the cities. As Germany in this particular case is mostly a nation of renters and rents are stable it's not that big of a deal.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-21 01:19:04
February 21 2018 01:17 GMT
#21119
Germany is the odd one out in Europe or even all of the developed world when it comes to homeownership.
We're second only to Switzerland when it comes to how many peopel rent instead of buying a home. It's not uncommon at all for a family to live in a place they rent rather than a bought house for example.

With that being said, I wouldn't want to take just german prices for property as a meaningful evalutation on anything as the mentality is so different here and it could have a bunch of different reasons for the rise (that really makes me sound like someone from the US on guncontrol, doesn't it?). Idk, if the same is true elsewhere it's maybe something but even then, buying a house or just property is usually one of the easier things to buy if you have some kind of income due to it being worth something if you lose your job and all.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 21 2018 10:31 GMT
#21120
On February 21 2018 10:03 Nyxisto wrote:
owning property isn't really important because if all you wanted was to own a home you can buy one for scraps in one of the bazillion cities where property prices are dropping.

It's only relevant if you also have fast appreciating rents or living space in general, because then people get squeezed out of the cities. As Germany in this particular case is mostly a nation of renters and rents are stable it's not that big of a deal.


You are stuck in a notion of "just choose the rent option and you are fine". That's not how it works. The average price of housing cost is not (Minimum of Cost of the Options)*(People that have to pay for housing). Not to mention that renting is not the Minimum Option in the longrun to begin with. It is much more expensive to rent, calculated over your life. And we aren't even getting into the topic of inheritance and optimizing cost for multiple generations, which is the market competition for everything your children will be facing under non-existant inheritance restrictions.

When property prices are rising, your cheapest option of housing is getting worse. If that means people spend more money on property or they are forced to move to the more expensive rent option, that is a problem for those individuals.
If you don't want to buy property anyways for whatever private reasons you may have for that and you are willing to pay whatever rent the market will offer, then you are not affected. But other people have other needs. And the assumption should be that the amount of those people is at least as high as the actual property quota, which is still almost 50% of the people in Germany.
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