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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
http://marge.uochb.cas.cz/~marsalek/volby-2018-prezident-kolo-2/ | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 27 2018 22:31 opisska wrote: The really good graph, realtime updated, is up again! http://marge.uochb.cas.cz/~marsalek/volby-2018-prezident-kolo-2/ Is there any stake, or is this for a honorific title? | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On January 28 2018 00:21 TheDwf wrote: Is there any stake, or is this for a honorific title? That's a complex question. In Havel's time, the position of the president was seen more as "above the politics", but Zeman has shown that the constitution gives him enough powers to influence the politics heavily. The first time he showed that was back in 2013 when he deisgnated a prime minister to be one of his friends and installed a government of his loyals which was not approved by the parliament, but he kept it at the helm for whole six more weeks. Even the preivous president, Klaus, has already shown the possibilities with his broad amnesty obviously targeted to non-violent criminals from the wild 90's, when it was Klaus himself whose policies allowed a lot of economical criminality. The president also nominates the commiittee for the central bank, constitutional judges and even university professors ... Moreover, the president represents the country and the other countries still see him that way, no matter what his actual position domestically is. Zeman keeps vibrant relations with Russian and China, a complete 180 from Havel's friendship with the Dalajlama and his fierce stances on human rights. Also, the president is just a person that is heard a lot and Zeman has definitely a lot to say what a president should not say in my opinion and people listen. The biggest issue here is however that Babiš (ANO) is slowly taking over the country using an oligarch approach and Zeman is a big ally of his and there is fear that he will again help him stay at power against the parliament. Additionally, Zeman is pretty ill and should he die, his powers go to prime minister and head of paliament, both from ANO, increasing the dangerous concentration of power. This all however doesn't matter, Zeman will protect the country from Islam and that's apparently all that matters to the voters! | ||
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Sent.
Poland9108 Posts
On January 27 2018 21:07 a_flayer wrote: ...I don't get it. This is exactly the kind of point that I've tried to make in the past, and then you've mocked me for "falling prey to Russian propaganda". But clearly we agree on the notion that American media effectively propagandizes for their perspective on the world to some extent and that it's not necessarily a good thing. Hell, replace "European" with "Russian" in your last sentence, and you might as well be quoting Putin himself. So are you a Putinist or a European Imperialist (neither of which are commendable)? We don't disagree about facts, we have different opinions about those facts. I was "mocking" you for being way too friendly towards Kremlin. Yes, you do sometimes preface your posts with saying that "bad things happen in Russia too", but you're still presenting Russian stuff in a way that makes it look like a (sometimes) acceptable alternative to Western/American stuff. I obviously don't share this view. We agree that Americans tend to present Americans in a better light. I assume we disagree about the extent to which it's an intentional attempt to distort reality. It depends on the definition of imperialism, but I really wouldn't feel offended if someone called me a European imperialist. Someone who would do that is probably so far away from me politically that there is no room for agreement between us anyway. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 27 2018 22:11 opisska wrote: Polls closed. Is the next Czech president gonna be a mildly demented uncultured Putin shill or an honorable classy scientist? Learn in the coming hours! https://volby.idnes.cz/ Great news! | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
I am sure KGB already told you. Don't try to irritate me now, that would just not be nice. I am mourning. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 28 2018 00:37 opisska wrote: That's a complex question. In Havel's time, the position of the president was seen more as "above the politics", but Zeman has shown that the constitution gives him enough powers to influence the politics heavily. The first time he showed that was back in 2013 when he deisgnated a prime minister to be one of his friends and installed a government of his loyals which was not approved by the parliament, but he kept it at the helm for whole six more weeks. Even the preivous president, Klaus, has already shown the possibilities with his broad amnesty obviously targeted to non-violent criminals from the wild 90's, when it was Klaus himself whose policies allowed a lot of economical criminality. The president also nominates the commiittee for the central bank, constitutional judges and even university professors ... Moreover, the president represents the country and the other countries still see him that way, no matter what his actual position domestically is. Zeman keeps vibrant relations with Russian and China, a complete 180 from Havel's friendship with the Dalajlama and his fierce stances on human rights. Also, the president is just a person that is heard a lot and Zeman has definitely a lot to say what a president should not say in my opinion and people listen. The biggest issue here is however that Babiš (ANO) is slowly taking over the country using an oligarch approach and Zeman is a big ally of his and there is fear that he will again help him stay at power against the parliament. Additionally, Zeman is pretty ill and should he die, his powers go to prime minister and head of paliament, both from ANO, increasing the dangerous concentration of power. This all however doesn't matter, Zeman will protect the country from Islam and that's apparently all that matters to the voters! I see, thanks. Some Ipsos poll for the next Italian elections, based on a 8k sample: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUjixHBX0AADIr1.jpg) The four parties above 10%: M5S: 29,3% PD: 22,7% Forza Italia: 16,9% Lega: 13,7% On the political spectrum: Right: 35% Unaffiliated: 29% Centre-left: 27% Radical left: 6% | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 28 2018 00:52 opisska wrote: I am sure KGB already told you. Don't try to irritate me now, that would just not be nice. I am mourning. My condolences. This guy is so bad he even pisses off the FPÖ. The cheerful part of such results is, that democracy plays hardly any role these days anyways. At worst these guys are gonna murder a few foreigners and make the EU implode, but they hold hardly any true (economical) power within our thinned out states. | ||
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VHbb
689 Posts
On January 28 2018 00:56 TheDwf wrote: I see, thanks. Some Ipsos poll for the next Italian elections, based on a 8k sample: + Show Spoiler + The four parties above 10%: M5S: 29,3% PD: 22,7% Forza Italia: 16,9% Lega: 13,7% On the political spectrum: Right: 35% Unaffiliated: 29% Centre-left: 27% Radical left: 6% I don't know if I'm more concerned by the rise of the right-wing, or by the incompetence of the M5S. It's not a good time for Italy - I'm glad that I don't live there anymore, but seeing it from abroad is disheartening. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10606 Posts
That country just seems to somewhat work witheout since... WW2? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 27 2018 22:11 opisska wrote: Polls closed. Is the next Czech president gonna be a mildly demented uncultured Putin shill or an honorable classy scientist? Learn in the coming hours! https://volby.idnes.cz/ On January 28 2018 00:37 opisska wrote: That's a complex question. In Havel's time, the position of the president was seen more as "above the politics", but Zeman has shown that the constitution gives him enough powers to influence the politics heavily. The first time he showed that was back in 2013 when he deisgnated a prime minister to be one of his friends and installed a government of his loyals which was not approved by the parliament, but he kept it at the helm for whole six more weeks. Even the preivous president, Klaus, has already shown the possibilities with his broad amnesty obviously targeted to non-violent criminals from the wild 90's, when it was Klaus himself whose policies allowed a lot of economical criminality. The president also nominates the commiittee for the central bank, constitutional judges and even university professors ... Moreover, the president represents the country and the other countries still see him that way, no matter what his actual position domestically is. Zeman keeps vibrant relations with Russian and China, a complete 180 from Havel's friendship with the Dalajlama and his fierce stances on human rights. Also, the president is just a person that is heard a lot and Zeman has definitely a lot to say what a president should not say in my opinion and people listen. The biggest issue here is however that Babiš (ANO) is slowly taking over the country using an oligarch approach and Zeman is a big ally of his and there is fear that he will again help him stay at power against the parliament. Additionally, Zeman is pretty ill and should he die, his powers go to prime minister and head of paliament, both from ANO, increasing the dangerous concentration of power. This all however doesn't matter, Zeman will protect the country from Islam and that's apparently all that matters to the voters! High turnout. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/q0rCod3.png) In the late 2010s, I like how often you can tell which candidate opposed further integration with the EU, anti-immigration, and likes Trump just from the map without being told which color represents which candidate. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
1% problems: our minister of Justice forgot to mention 330 000€ of patrimony in her mandatory asset declaration. Bourgeoisie be like: Ups! I forgot one house and two flats—how silly of me. That was news from France's "new world" where exemplarity is the golden rule. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6192 Posts
On January 28 2018 06:47 Danglars wrote: High turnout. In the late 2010s, I like how often you can tell which candidate opposed further integration with the EU, anti-immigration, and likes Trump just from the map without being told which color represents which candidate. What's really your point? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Perhaps you’d like to give your own opinion on the demographics breakdown in the pro-EU/pro-immigration and Putin shill/Islamophobic? Feel free to also link images for comment! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 28 2018 09:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote: No really, what's your point? The patterns of demographics/geographic are pretty stark these days. I don't really care all that much about the particular ways opisska pointed it out (damn the Islam hating single-issue voting plebs!//It's the Putin shill against classy scientist). Seven paces behind that, the kind of nasty political taxonomy really shows the divide. But, if you'd also like to post some images and contribute what you think, be my guest! | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On January 28 2018 16:15 Danglars wrote: The patterns of demographics/geographic are pretty stark these days. I don't really care all that much about the particular ways opisska pointed it out (damn the Islam hating single-issue voting plebs!//It's the Putin shill against classy scientist). Seven paces behind that, the kind of nasty political taxonomy really shows the divide. But, if you'd also like to post some images and contribute what you think, be my guest! Why can't you just state what you point is instead of being endlessly edgy? Drahos won in Prague, no surprise, people with higher education tend to flock there because here the respective jobs are and such people are less likely to be attracted by the crude, rude and lying (mind you he has a court order standing to correct some lies now) behavior of Zeman. The rest of the map is enigmatic even to pocal experts and given the close score much of it is likely a fluctuation. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On January 28 2018 17:45 opisska wrote: Why can't you just state what you point is instead of being endlessly edgy? Drahos won in Prague, no surprise, people with higher education tend to flock there because here the respective jobs are and such people are less likely to be attracted by the crude, rude and lying (mind you he has a court order standing to correct some lies now) behavior of Zeman. The rest of the map is enigmatic even to pocal experts and given the close score much of it is likely a fluctuation. Do you happen to know a map with the average age of every district? These maps usually look like this because young people tend to vote what they consider to be liberal/progressive candidates and the young people are overpresented where the universities and the economically active/growing/fluctuating areas are. The lies that we were told throughout all our youth that we could become whatever we wanted to become if only we were willing to move, keep an open mind and work hard. Turns out the exact opposite is true. The less willing you are to work and move and the more you bitch about governments and EU, the more likely you are to be a highly subvened government and EU darling. Let's just put a real hardcore neoliberal in place and give the conservative areas the Greek treatment if they hate redistributive systems so much. They don't want subventions, then don't give them to them. Let them feel what it means if the cities keep their taxes to themselves, don't build their roads, don't subvene their agriculture, don't feed into their communes and don't build up their communication networks. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On January 28 2018 19:13 TheDwf wrote: Six élections législatives were cancelled by the Conseil constitutionnel, so législatives partielles will occur. Today is the first round for two of those circonscriptions. It's a test for both the majority and the oppositions; though the abstention is usually absurdly high (between 70 to 80%) in those new elections, so it might be read too much from the results. That being said, 8 months ago the abstention already ranged from 50 to 60%, so it might not differ that much... Why were the elections cancelled? There was fraud or something? Or is it some unrelated procedural thing? Hearing about "cancelled elections" is worrysome. | ||
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