this great thread, I'd like to continue on this topic because its so damn interesting
Lemme quote first post of that topic to bring it "back to track"
On December 02 2006 22:38 twsan wrote: This is driving me crazy.
A Russian professor has posted a picture of a painting done by someone with a severe mental disorder. A single detail of the picture shows that they are insane, but in 15 years, only a single person has figured out what it is. Can you?
The person who posted a scan of this painting says the following:
* This was painted by a person with a rare and severe mental disorder. He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed). * His (the poster’s) psychiatry professor showed this painting in a lecture, and said there was one tell-tale sign in it that showed the painter’s insanity. * The professor didn’t say what that sign was, leaving the students to do the guesswork. The only clues he gave was, “don’t look for small details, look at the whole; if you figure out what the phobia was, you’ve got the answer; ask yourself what could have preceded this scene; think of what the place would look like with all the objects removed“. * The professor said that during the 15 years of his teaching, only one student had figured it out.
The shore is on the right where the 2 skiers are standing. You can see the difference in texture. The ice seems hard with maybe a thin dusting of snow whereas the land has 'softer' , deeper snow accumulation on it.
To the back right of the center house there is a blue patch: this is thin ice. You could go for a stretch and say the fencing in front of it was there to warn of thin ice as is customary, but the fence is in the original painting as well.
The child "dressed" in blue on the middle sled fell through the ice, is frozen and/or sad (both conditions are associated with the color blue).
The horses may be in haste to get the child to the hospital and/or get off the unstable ice. After all, the festival is at the end of winter, usually when ice starts melting. Notice the large C shaped hoof tracks on the far left are rippling out from the thin ice area in the center like waves from something breaking the surface tension. Also notice, that you can overlay a Fibonacci spiral on the hoof tracks with the center of the spiral ending roughly near the blue patch in the center.
"What would you hear if you were in the painting?" -- horse hooves on ice sounds different than horse hooves on snow.
Everything else (except the Fibonacci windows) is just the artist's general attempt to reproduce the original.
Diagnosis: The artist has in the past experienced or is afraid of falling through the ice, getting sucked into a whirlpool and spiraling down into the depths of the water.
dinophobia: Fear of dizziness or whirlpools. hydrophobia/aquaphobia: Fear of water/drowning.
On December 02 2006 22:43 twsan wrote: apparently based on this greeting card, but the professor didn't know. although similar, they give me 2 completely different feeling/vibe. One is dark and expressionless, the other lively and more festive...
you mean this ?
edit: this is paint by some russian artist made back in 70s . It was used on postcards... He (ill person) was maybe trying to reproduce it his way
Well since i posted in the last 2 pages, ill post it again:
If you take out everything but the background(snow and sky), i think the snow would resemble a boob 8) with the nipple being that blue thing to the right of the house in the middle of the painting xD.
So imo, it could be:
gynephobia (fear of women) genophobia (fear of sex)
I dunno =x
If the painters a woman then i guess it would only be genophobia :O
To the right, theres something with the snow that could resemble legs or whatever, and the flowers and the tree sticked into that depression, does seem a bit subliminal to me :D
"what would you hear if you were inside the painting?" and that the closest was along the lines of fear of open places or some such, and that it also had something to with water or air or whatever... so basically it's a read and find out unless you suffer from a similar disorder or are detective conan.
On December 03 2006 09:09 Cloud wrote: Well since i posted in the last 2 pages, ill post it again:
If you take out everything but the background(snow and sky), i think the snow would resemble a boob 8) with the nipple being that blue thing to the right of the house in the middle of the painting xD.
So imo, it could be: gynephobia (fear of women) genophobia (fear of sex) I dunno =x
The blue spot next to the house could also be a navel and somewhere to the right you can see a vagina if you want to. But I only see it, bc you started talking about boobs, so I dunno. It'd be the same phobia anyways, so...
whats is the proof that its real and not someone fucking with our minds? With the kind of art we have today I seriously have no idea how someone can derive mental illness from a picture of this sort.
In veryrussian.net some1 said this: THE PROFESSOR HAS ARRIVED. He’s leaving comments in the Russian threads; more in a moment, as I fish some of his comments out (there are 48 pages of discussion to dig through.)
i find it hard to believe that its just not a normal picture thats drawn by someone with a mental disorder i dont get how there would be a hint that would show this in a picture.
well the thing which i noticed is that this might be all the same just in different timezones. seeing the skiers on the left side showing up on the right side again, standing and talking made me think like that. Also this video
kinda shows the same theory. So this might be a fear of time? time passing? future? But then again this "professor" said something about air and water and open spaces which makes "my" theory kinda wrong.
Okay. I tried to get a clean viewing with no knowledge of the backstory. The person I sent this image to has no idea who drew it, or for what purpose.
1: http://pics.livejournal.com/shaltai_baltai/pic/00001ykp 2: wtf 1: tell me what you think of that pcture 2: what do you mean? 1: in general; interpret it 2: small town in christmas, there are horse sled races with 3 kids on each sled and one of the sleds is on fire 2: around christmas 1: what feeling does it give? 2: "wtf" 1: more than that :/ 2: uhh 2: kind of calming 2: until I see the kids sled on fire 1: this is going to sound strange 1: but if you could hear this painting, what would it sound like? 2: roller coaster tycoomn 2: the sounds of people in that 2: o_o 2: oh that plus "HOLY SHIT IM ON FUCKING FIRE 1: would you say that this painting is overall a negative or positive picture? 2: positive 2: barely because one of those kids is gonna get burned alive 1: If I told you to ignore the fire for a bit 2: oh 1: and look for other interpretations 2: no you didn't 2: oh 2: wait 2: nevermind I'm retarded 1: maybe some of which wouldnt be literal interpretations 2: it looks like peoplein a small town having fun 1: what would you say? 2: to the positive/negative question? 1: to the painting in general 1: If you were to ignore specific objects 2: o_o 2: okay okay what's the question again? 2: I'm confused 1: so answer abstractly 2: but 2: whjat's the question? 1: do you have any different interpretations if you ignore the "fire"? 2: well all the negative stuff goes away 1: try to look at the whole painting without focusing on details 1: would you say the painting is comforting, or fear inducing as a whole? 2: comforting 1: thank you 2: so 2: wtf was this for? 1: http://duggmirror.com/health/What_is_the_insane_secret_of_this_painting/ 1: http://www.veryrussian.net/2006/the-mystery-painting-almost-there.html
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The thing Ive noticed myself in terms of differences is a darker image, with more use of primary colours, and more negative space
oh yeah, and that lead me to the theory that everything might be repetitive. something like a circle, never ending - always the same. He might fear a repetitive life, all his life being the same old and boring shit over and over again
i start to think that, like someone mentioned before, this is something like a joke - the thing you interpret in there is the thing that you are afraid of. At least this "repetitive" life is one fear of mine.
Personally, professors clue aside i would say this is about windows. If a person was to draw something from his phobia, his fear, he would be trying to express himself in a way where he would be somewhat shielded from it. I would assume that he is afraid of dark/enclosed spaces, therefore all the buildings are filled with windows.
however professor says water, and him copying aivazovsky's painting supports it. Fear of drowning?
I'm think I'm going to say that it would be easy to postulate a bunch of "just-so" stories as to the painting's meaning and that landing the "right" answer would constitute luck. I mean if someone draws a crowded picture with people in it, does it mean that person is afraid of isolation? I think this type of guessing constitutes a larger problem about psychology in general. Once someone is found to be insane, you can look at their past and see how they came that way... but just looking at the person without knowing their past, it would be impossible to come up with the right story. Also, someone who has a similar background could be completely normal.
In summation I guess, it's easy in retrospect to come up with adequate "just-so" stories but it's just a bunch of crap really. Now I think one can get a sense of a person's personality through many works or an overarching view of their career, such as Munch. But from one picture?
P.S. I find the picture with the water cool, the reflective quality of the water against the sun is done better than I am used to.
I clicked on the picture before reading the original post or the thread and looked at it by itself, and I have to say it freaked me out for no apparent reason. Am I alone in this?
my first impression was also that if you take all the objects away you are left with a hill that resembles some body part (ass or tits, doesn't matter). but that doesn't match with the other hints about fear of open spaces, sound, water and air...
someone said it might be the fear of running water or rain because the painter is happy when the water is frozen.
i think it's obvious that it has nothing to do with the houses or the people because those aren't in the center of his picture (unlike in the original). i'm pretty sure it does have something to do with the blue spot in the middle. it's probably some frozen pond. it's weird that it's located on top of a hill.
On December 03 2006 12:06 pyrogenetix wrote: without reading the text and seeing the pic i thot it was pretty ok.
then i read the text and looked at it and started thinking something was wrong.
i would say its the way all the horses have their hooves outstretched? thats kinda weird isnt it??? or that there are no single ppl
there are no hoove tracks in the snow behind the sleigh and wouldnt the horses be really cold without like... any clothing? like horse clothes?
The sleds pulled behind them would eliminate any hoofprints I don't know much about horses, but unless they weren't native to russia, I'd imagine the horses could survive in that temperature.
If they were galloping, all the horses would have their hooves out, though the symmetry of the middle set's spread is kind of weird.
On December 03 2006 12:00 Dametri wrote: I clicked on the picture before reading the original post or the thread and looked at it by itself, and I have to say it freaked me out for no apparent reason. Am I alone in this?
nope,i wouldn't say it freaked me out but i did make me a bit uneasy.hard to explain,like its a painting of a happy scene,but the vibe you get is totally opposite of what it actually is
I'd say the most glaring differences I can find are the repeated primary colors in the insane painting. Additionally, the perspective is completely different (in both sets of paintings) - the insane artist draws much steeper lines and from a higher-up perspective, similar to a fisheye lens. Something less striking but still notable is that everybody in the "insane" painting is wearing some kind of hat. I don't see what "hearing" in the painting would have to do with anything, other than as someone said before it looks like the sleds are on sleeker ground, with fluffy snow on the right bank, leading us to believe they're on ice.
i would say its the way all the horses have their hooves outstretched? thats kinda weird isnt it???
that is actually a mistake made by all the artists before there was photography. only after eadweard muybridge did his famous series of photos called "the horse in motion" people could see what a galloping horse really should look like. so the original was most likely painted before 1880.
This thing is freaking me out and I really want an answer to what this guy suffers from. Too bad if its a hoax. Or its just made to point out how easy it is to mess with peoples heads. Im kinda paranoid now.
Someone on digg suggested that the fear is of drowning They point out that the horses appear to be half-submerged
It does look somewhat like the children are drowning, and the "sleds" they're supposed to be riding on do look really odd..
Edit: gakkgakk beat me to it
However, the answer in the link doesn't really say what phobia he has.. unless "mylittleworldmeltingdownaphobia" can be considered a phobia Or perhaps fear of Spring
oh noes... not this "im a spring" thing... I was hoping for something really really creepy and strange.
So maybe final quote
“In this painting, we are Spring. You can see water, melting snow, in the lower left corner. The people are looking at us, afraid that their little world is about to melt down. They’re escaping from us, from Spring, in those sleds. It’s also why all the doors of all the houses are shut.”
but on the other hand... I dont think this is really that student. Why there would be people standing outside of their houses and innocently doing something (like that children and snowman etc..)
the first one looks like a big tit if you remove everything. the blue in the middle is the nipple and its rounded. fear of breast feeding? maybe he suffers from homorexism
On December 03 2006 13:33 BroOd wrote: That's a cute explanation, but it certainly doesn't indicate the person is insane. Anyone could conceive such a situation.
Agreed.
Man I thought for sure it was a fear of avalanches, or a fear of drowning. Fear of Spring seems kind of like a bullshit excuse for a bullshit theory.
It seems a bit strange that when they want to escape from us (spring) they try to escape to the right. why wouldn´t they just run AWAY from us in 12o´clock direction? I don´t think it´s a bad theory and maybe it´s true, but I wouldn´t run in the direction where the horses go to escape from "us".
-This was painted by a person with a rare and severe mental disorder. He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed). -His (the poster’s) psychiatry professor showed this painting in a lecture, and said there was one tell-tale sign in it that showed the painter’s insanity. -The professor didn’t say what that sign was, leaving the students to do the guesswork. The only clues he gave was, “don’t look for small details, look at the whole; if you figure out what the phobia was, you’ve got the answer; ask yourself what could have preceded this scene; think of what the place would look like with all the objects removed“.
.. Ok so the person who painted this had a rare and severe mental disorder. The mental disorder is that he constantly sees his own fantasies around him. The artists phobia is the spring. He freaks out about the spring. Damnit. I was freaking out about this artist who were some kind of devil. Now its just a crazy guy who hallucinate spring all around him. I hope the "professor" gives a better answer than that.
One more clue. Someone made this guess. The painting depicts the Maslenitsa (Shrovetide, the feast on the last day before the Lent — the Brazilian carnival is the same holiday). It’s one of the holidays with pagan roots, and the celebration involves burning a strawman — symbolising, if I remember correctly, the ending winter. Now, could it be that you’re the burning strawman?
To which the professor allegedly replied, “not a strawman — but close”.
Also, he said the keywords are water and air. (Now that I think of it — could it be painted from the perspective of a falling, and possibly melting, snowflake? Was the phobia a fear of falling?)
* This was painted by a person with a rare and severe mental disorder. He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed). * His (the poster’s) psychiatry professor showed this painting in a lecture, and said there was one tell-tale sign in it that showed the painter’s insanity. * The professor didn’t say what that sign was, leaving the students to do the guesswork. The only clues he gave was, “don’t look for small details, look at the whole; if you figure out what the phobia was, you’ve got the answer; ask yourself what could have preceded this scene; think of what the place would look like with all the objects removed“. * The professor said that during the 15 years of his teaching, only one student had figured it out.
Does anyone else think it would look like an eyeball? With all the 'objects' removed.
The blue in the middle, the white curved around like an eye? But as for 'what could have preceded' this scene...I don't know...the horses coming around the bend? Children building the snowman in the distance? Skiiers skiing up...? Or does it mean preceding it by a long way?
What would you hear inside the picture? Nothing if it was a real picture...but if it was a real scene unfolding...you'd hear the 'slicing' of the horses across the ice/snow...children laughing, that accordion playing perhaps...the crack of the whips, the grunts of the horses...the slight galloping noise.
Also notice there aren't any shadows...but I don't think it's details like that, that count.
It says look at the 'whole'. Figure out his phobia...?
"not a strawman — but close" what is this meant to mean?
I don't know what phobia, this guy, has nor from what mental disorder he suffers. But i will tell you what i see. I see little groups of people . I counted seven ,and in any of this groups i see a person dressed in red. It may be something it may be nothing. I dont know . I've heard that, art therapy , it's used for helping mentally ill people and they can put a diagnosis on someone , through colour choise . Alot of red and yellow it's used on that painting . It may be a lead.
This exercise does not seem to be illustrative of the patient but more of the mental problems of the professor.
A patient makes a adequate copy of a postcard - is not a great artist but does a better copy than most. The professor having aprior knowledge of the condition projects his opinion, highlighting some aspect of the painting, and then uses this as an example of intellectual insight - being able to diagnose a patient from some obscure feature in his paintings (also likely present in the original painting).
The professor is suffering from egomania, some degree of sociopathy, and delights in low level sadism - torturing his students for 15 years.
This is the copy right? Cause the one posted in the thread and the link that says "higher resolution of original picture" is the same picture.
The original looks much darker, so maybe he is afraid of the dark. I have no idea.
This kinda reminds of this question a friend of my asked me. He said that it had been asked to mentally ill murderers, and they have all answered the same, and most normal people don't get it. The answer was obvious to me but some of my other friends didn't get it at all. Any way, it goes something like this:
A man is at his mothers funeral, were he meets this girl he gets intersted in, but he's forgets (or is to scared or whatever) to get her number. Some time later he kills his own dad. Why?
On December 03 2006 14:10 doedrikthe2nd wrote: This kinda reminds of this question a friend of my asked me. He said that it had been asked to mentally ill murderers, and they have all answered the same, and most normal people don't get it. The answer was obvious to me but some of my other friends didn't get it at all. Any way, it goes something like this:
A man is at his mothers funeral, were he meets this girl he gets intersted in, but he's forgets (or is to scared or whatever) to get her number. Some time later he kills his own dad. Why?
Bah im not ready for anymore riddles. He kills his dad because he blames him for his mothers death? Gief answer plx.
I have farfetched idea and not exactly sure where i'm going with it.
In the picture, you see the 3 drivers as "sinister" in a way while the children are somewhat subdued.
Now the question is, why are the children on the sleds? 1. kidnap, 2. for fun. If its kidnap, why would the drivers put hay on the sled to make it more comfortable. If its for fun, why aren't the kids happy.
Now look @ the kid's faces, they are all looking towards their right, while the drivers seem oblivious to it. There must be somthing on the right that would draw all of their attention. Because of this factor, I think the kids are involuntarily on the sleds which is why i think they are being kidnapped.
However, all of them looking towards the right could also mean there is somthing on the left which they do not want to see. And what is on the left? Houses + people talking to each other. Instead of being kidnapped, they are running away during Christmas. Now why would kids run away from home during christmas a time where they can get presents and have holiday? I think the creator may have been an orphan/felt neglection during holidays and he is portraying himself as the kids. Somthing may have happened prior to this picture that caused the kids to leave. the drivers may have promised them somthing better. I think this is on the right track, but i can't think of any phobia that is appropiate.
PS : I am reminded of the Pinochio movie from this painting.
The #3 seems to also have relevance. 3 horses, 3 kids per sled, 3 drivers.
This is stupid. I agree with the professor being a bit of a sadist, or liking to mess with his students. If you look at the whole, taking out the details, there are still a hundred possible different "phobias" or neuroses that could be at play. If you look at the whole including the details, there are thousands and thousands of possible answers Fear of snow, fear of silence, fear of spring, fear of non factors of 3, whatever. A phobia can be directed towards anything in the damn world. There is no way to definitively say "Oh this detail or this part of the painting DEFINITELY shows that he suffers from _____." Seems like an exercise in futility to me.
If spring is coming from the left, how come it's still snowing in the far-left of the picture? (Edit: Ok, maybe those are stars ) And 2 children are skiing toward "spring". Seriously, they're trying too hard.
To me the "deaf" theory sounds best so far. Although.. I cannot see how this painting can be indicating a severe mental illness, call me a non-believer.
I would love it if the final answer would be something where we would all go "holy shit, that actually makes sense and is totally awesome", but I'm feeling skeptical today so I'm gonna go with the prediction this is either a "your interpretation says this and that about you, even though I'm totally pulling this out of my ass"-bullshit smartass psychgame, a preteenager's prank or a washed-up mediocre proffesor desperately trying to bring attention and a feeling of superiority to himself.
I really would enjoy being proved wrong on this one.
Ok, in an attempt at seriousness, even though i think you are all totally gay for participating in this, making me gay for joining you, but not quite as gay since i already recognize your gayness, look at the track marks in the snow. The horses have already run this course. They are running in the same track marks they already left. They are running in circles. The painter has a fear of butterflies.
To me the "deaf" theory sounds best so far. Although.. I cannot see how this painting can be indicating a severe mental illness, call me a non-believer.
-This was painted by a person with a rare and severe mental disorder. He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed).
I think what he mean is that his severe mental illness is the fact that he sees his own fantasies around him constantly. Its the phobia thats the riddle.
Ok, upon reading that it is best to free your mind, and imagine the painting with no objects around, i felt the only way to surrender myself to the painting to find what really lurks beneath, was to make it as abstract as possible so that at first glance it wasnt recognizable as a painting. So i decided to turn it upsidedown and invert the colors, and lo and behold what i found:
On December 03 2006 14:20 gakkgakk wrote: To me the "deaf" theory sounds best so far. Although.. I cannot see how this painting can be indicating a severe mental illness, call me a non-believer.
-This was painted by a person with a rare and severe mental disorder. He was constantly seeing his own fantasies all around him. He also had a certain phobia (undisclosed).
I think what he mean is that his severe mental illness is the fact that he sees his own fantasies around him constantly. Its the phobia thats the riddle.
On December 02 2006 22:38 twsan wrote:
A single detail of the picture shows that they are insane
I dunno, maybe the phobia is the riddle. But that would make this so much less interesting, as there are phobias of everything, including phobia of phobias! See link here.
On December 03 2006 14:10 doedrikthe2nd wrote: A man is at his mothers funeral, were he meets this girl he gets intersted in, but he's forgets (or is to scared or whatever) to get her number. Some time later he kills his own dad. Why?
Kills dad, another funeral, the girl will be there so he can get her number second time around...sure with the loss of both of his parents but heck, getting laid is important.
I hope everyone of you recognizes that these eyes are fake ?! First I thought "Wow, scary" but give it 2 second view and you see it´s fake. If you don´t believe, try yourself in paint and you´ll see. But I really find it a good idea to "play" with the picture in this way (to invert colours and stuff..)
MAN! This picture doesnt look right at all.. who the fuck reins horses with a fucken sled. its supposed to be dogs. not horses. horses are too high for you to see where you are going. its illogical. this nikka here cant paint dogs. what a ill motherfucker.
The patient has multiple views of the same scene or that the patient has no concept of time and as they walk around the scene they see the objects in the picture from all previous points of reference. I would say that the patient has a fear of change.
there are way to many windows, the house with many windows(i presume,cuz it's got lots of yellow windows). it's definetly got something with why are children watchin to the painter and why are there so many windows-and is that really snow beneath them or it's something else.
He's afraid of the outside, air, water, snow, horses, clown-hats that the sledmasters are wearing, skiiers, snowmen, windows, houses, children & colours, noise.
I mentioned in the other thread (page 4 and 5) that I think he has a fear of being a snowman/melting like a snowman does in spring (since the professor said it was close to "strawman" )..
anyway I think people should stop thinking about the details, like details with the horses etc., because the guy already said:
don’t look for small details, look at the whole; if you figure out what the phobia was, you’ve got the answer; ask yourself what could have preceded this scene; think of what the place would look like with all the objects removed.
gah I really wanna know the answer now! shit.. I hope this isn't some kind of joke
If only ONE student found out... then probably its some sort of multiple personalities disorder, the student the profesor and the sick person were all the same. This smells so strong to hoax..
On December 03 2006 15:30 Excalibur_Z wrote: None of the buildings have doors in this version of the painting. A fear of the outside world? Agoraphobia?
I can see a black door (or opening) on the first house (directly in front). The people are standing in front of it.
This is suposed to be the answer, that the whole picture is some kind of infinite circle. Something is wrong though.
The windows of the house aren't the same and the two people with the baby next to the house on the left are not there on the right one, why?
It's not identical so i'm starting to think it has nothing to do with the answer
edit: actually its almost identical so i guess it could be evolution or change? maybe he's afraid of time..chronophobia or maybe cryophobia
quoting a comment of someone
"But, the message he’s trying to communicate is not that he’s spring… The artist personifying spring does not represent his psychosis or phobia.
The message he’s trying to send is isolation and helplessness as evident by the other people not paying attention; His feeling of being trapped with no escape possible, exemplified by the drivers/childrens inability to escape; And, his fear and embarrassment of asking for help… represented by the fact that the children aren’t screaming for help. "
"why is the baby stroller’s wheels not sinking into the snow? Why are there no hoof prints in the snow right below the horses, where they should have just stepped if they are in mid gallop? How about the obvious snow covered bank on the right side of the image, which is visually different from the rest of the ’snow’. Did you notice how it gets less white the closer you get to that bank? Starts to change to a light blue? That indicates translucency which is a characteristic of packed ice… and not loose snow. How about the angle of the horses? It would be impossible for the horses to run in that manner with the sleigh so low and close behind them; They’d kick the sleigh and wretch themselves backwards"
So that video = 3 different points of time...and each scene is the 1 house being passed by further and further away?
And it's all about the winter changing into spring? And the sleds are escaping the melting snow and the emergence of spring?
So he's scared of spring/change? Eh...a little disappointed if that's the truth.
Although the raised whip in the first, the second it's down...and the third it's raised again...as to give the effect of the horses being whipped over and over. But the people on the sleds are different and the picture doesn't match up in each scene...
But it'd explain the fish-eye style picture, the rounded edges and all that...the strange roundness to it.
HINT: The characters in the first plane do not cast any shadow they are phantasms.
More: two planes can be distinguished in the picture: the first one containing the troikas and the second one containing the real world. The shadows are carefully constructed for the real world and completely inexistent for the imaginary one. All the characters in the imaginary plane look towards the painter. The ones behind completely ignore him. If the three troikas were not present the painter would have had to leave a big white empty space; But he can not leave a big empty space as he is agoraphobic. He created the three troikas, to fill in this space. No character in the real world looks at the troikas which are supposed to be quite noisy.
Dan IONESCU Paris (FRANCE) dan.ionescu@laposte.net
On December 03 2006 15:55 aLt)nirvana wrote: this guys answer makes the most sense to me -----
HINT: The characters in the first plane do not cast any shadow they are phantasms.
More: two planes can be distinguished in the picture: the first one containing the troikas and the second one containing the real world. The shadows are carefully constructed for the real world and completely inexistent for the imaginary one. All the characters in the imaginary plane look towards the painter. The ones behind completely ignore him. If the three troikas were not present the painter would have had to leave a big white empty space; But he can not leave a big empty space as he is agoraphobic. He created the three troikas, to fill in this space. No character in the real world looks at the troikas which are supposed to be quite noisy.
Dan IONESCU Paris (FRANCE) dan.ionescu@laposte.net
what i notice most about the picture is that the angle of the slope is downwards. if you look to the far right, the snowy hill dips all of a sudden, almost as if the village sits atop a very steep hill. the same angle, albeit a little less steep, is repeated on the left side. even the tracks of sled are going downwards, and for some reason the bottom left corner looks really odd-like the ground is sharply cut off.
the other theory is that the painting has a repetitive theme.
3 horses
3 children per horse
3 colors-1 for each children which are rotated between sleds.
"They don’t have shadows because it’s water. Look at the pose of the horse. It’s a swimming pose. Look at the placement of the troika behind the horse. It’s lower and at an angle, indicating that it’s sinking behind the horse. "
hmm what if u find the diffrence arent u then insane like him? imean that u saw it too ithink when u more look the more u look in ure self what u are realy afraid of shows u your fears. ithink mabe there is no mining to this picture if there is then ....
This is the copy right? Cause the one posted in the thread and the link that says "higher resolution of original picture" is the same picture.
The original looks much darker, so maybe he is afraid of the dark. I have no idea.
This kinda reminds of this question a friend of my asked me. He said that it had been asked to mentally ill murderers, and they have all answered the same, and most normal people don't get it. The answer was obvious to me but some of my other friends didn't get it at all. Any way, it goes something like this:
A man is at his mothers funeral, were he meets this girl he gets intersted in, but he's forgets (or is to scared or whatever) to get her number. Some time later he kills his own dad. Why?
Btw, I think that blue spot you're all talking about is just shadows.
wait notice teh bottom left corner? Something doesn't quite seem correct about it. Maybe the "snow" the horses are riding on isn't snow at all. Maybe it's a river? The avalanche theory also seems good in this pic.
if only 1 person has figured it out in 15 years that probably because he was just calling out random phobia like we are, it's bound to get mentioned eventually. I don't like the riddle; i don't believe that you know for certain that your answer is correct when you actually have the correct answer.
On December 03 2006 12:06 pyrogenetix wrote: without reading the text and seeing the pic i thot it was pretty ok.
then i read the text and looked at it and started thinking something was wrong.
i would say its the way all the horses have their hooves outstretched? thats kinda weird isnt it??? or that there are no single ppl
there are no hoove tracks in the snow behind the sleigh and wouldnt the horses be really cold without like... any clothing? like horse clothes?
The sleds pulled behind them would eliminate any hoofprints I don't know much about horses, but unless they weren't native to russia, I'd imagine the horses could survive in that temperature.
If they were galloping, all the horses would have their hooves out, though the symmetry of the middle set's spread is kind of weird.
There should be tracks from the sleigh. As for the horses apperaing to be flying, that is common in art.
I personally suspect a fear of drowning combined with a possible split personality disorder. Amateur psychology on speculative evidence ftw.
And the one in your post Nirvana is actually very good. Nice find.
the picture is geometrically equivalent. a quality that isn't in the original picture, and it certainly takes into the account the picture as a whole. if you draw lines up and down, and horizontally, the picture is like a study in geometry.
i'll just conclude that it's a fear of uneveness, or something like that.
On December 03 2006 16:38 Hollow wrote: im pretty sure if we can find the link between the whole of the picture and why the horses have blurried legs(in the water) we would have the answer
Maybe he was trying to do a logo for TeamLiquid, with horses and water. His phobia was that Manifesto could ban him, so he was very communist while making the picture and thats why everything is well balanced 3 children, 3 windows, 3 horses etc.
it could actually be Dextrophobia (fear of the right side) since its very rare and the painting is moving to the left but i might be just thinking too hard here and it has nothing to do with the other clues
I see now that the guy was probably receiving treatment for fear of drowning. When I first saw the picture I thought there was a sinking feeling to the troikas, and the tracks of the sleds are bent in a way to suggest a flowing river.
Yeah but seriously isn't it too easy to just say "fear of drowning" "fear of water" "fear of rivers" I mean if only one guy got it in 15 years the phobia must be pretty damn rare... and a bit more complicated
People are jumping to conclusions without considering all the clues before they make a statement. I myself haven't made a statement because I don't know what it could be, I like the "it's from the perspective of a melting snowman" theory, but that has nothing to do with how it sounds, nor is it a close guess with "fear of open spaces."
On December 03 2006 15:55 aLt)nirvana wrote: this guys answer makes the most sense to me -----
HINT: The characters in the first plane do not cast any shadow they are phantasms.
More: two planes can be distinguished in the picture: the first one containing the troikas and the second one containing the real world. The shadows are carefully constructed for the real world and completely inexistent for the imaginary one. All the characters in the imaginary plane look towards the painter. The ones behind completely ignore him. If the three troikas were not present the painter would have had to leave a big white empty space; But he can not leave a big empty space as he is agoraphobic. He created the three troikas, to fill in this space. No character in the real world looks at the troikas which are supposed to be quite noisy.
Dan IONESCU Paris (FRANCE) dan.ionescu@laposte.net
it doesnt make sense, since its a reproduction of another picture=d
On December 03 2006 16:52 Hollow wrote: Yeah but seriously isn't it too easy to just say "fear of drowning" "fear of water" "fear of rivers" I mean if only one guy got it in 15 years the phobia must be pretty damn rare... and a bit more complicated
It wasnt a question of what phobia the guy has. It was the question of what detail in the picture gives it away.
Most of the items do not have any shadows under them.
That + the abscence of correct proportion/linear perspective + the fact that all the people sitting in the sled are looking directly at you are what is giving you guys uneasy feelings.
Fear of death is a rare phobia? Disappearing maybe. Drowning not that rare either.
The fact that the picture is very unnatural shows he's a nut. As the one before said. Scary looking children, rocket sled, shadow problems. It's just a very unsettling picture made by an unsettling mind. The children aren't happy. Not everything casts a shadow. Without objects? Well I don't know what it looks like without objects~ ;p
On December 03 2006 16:52 Last.Midnight wrote: People are jumping to conclusions without considering all the clues before they make a statement. I myself haven't made a statement because I don't know what it could be
Same. And I've looked at the damn pic for ages, read others thoughts. But if only 1 person has solved this in 15 years, it's not gonna be so easy as to just blurt out your first random thought as to what it is. I'm not getting any smarter looking at the pic; I have no guesses :s
I dont think its the picture itself thats unnatural or creepy, but just the backstory that came with it that gives us the feeling of us. Hell, that picture could very well just be an old version of a Hallmark card.
On December 03 2006 17:42 useless wrote: I dont think its the picture itself thats unnatural or creepy, but just the backstory that came with it that gives us the feeling of us. Hell, that picture could very well just be an old version of a Hallmark card.
Agreed, I got the creepy feeling too but dismissed it quickly due to the background story that we *know* he's got some weird insanity going. If this pic had been on my fridge I wouldn't have thought twice about it. "what a nice christmas pic" if you will.
For anyone who's really interested there's a thread in the GBS (General Bullshit) forum in the SomethingAwful forums discussing it. I *think* you don't need an account, but I'll link it below: It's very long; currently 12 pages and a lot of excellent theories, including the discovery of the so-called "actual" explanation which I think is a bit ridiculous. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2204525&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
On December 03 2006 17:49 Refrain[FriZ] wrote: For anyone who's really interested there's a thread in the GBS (General Bullshit) forum in the SomethingAwful forums discussing it. I *think* you don't need an account, but I'll link it below: It's very long; currently 12 pages and a lot of excellent theories, including the discovery of the so-called "actual" explanation which I think is a bit ridiculous. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2204525&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
What is the so-called actual explanation? I dont feel like wading through 12 pages of goon talk.
he has a fear of the spring season, his insanity is that he think himself is a snowman. this is basically what me and my friends came up with after a couple hrs of brainstorming, it makes sense with all of the hints the professor gave.
On December 03 2006 17:49 Refrain[FriZ] wrote: For anyone who's really interested there's a thread in the GBS (General Bullshit) forum in the SomethingAwful forums discussing it. I *think* you don't need an account, but I'll link it below: It's very long; currently 12 pages and a lot of excellent theories, including the discovery of the so-called "actual" explanation which I think is a bit ridiculous. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2204525&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
What is the so-called actual explanation? I dont feel like wading through 12 pages of goon talk.
On December 03 2006 16:38 Hollow wrote: im pretty sure if we can find the link between the whole of the picture and why the horses have blurried legs(in the water) we would have the answer
Maybe he was trying to do a logo for TeamLiquid, with horses and water. His phobia was that Manifesto could ban him, so he was very communist while making the picture and thats why everything is well balanced 3 children, 3 windows, 3 horses etc.
ok, so this is bullshit. the prof didn't know what he was talking about, since he didn't know that the guy merely produced a copy. A bit of russian cultural knowledge is required to get the "right answer" anyways.
anyone notice the consistancy in the color yellow?
the yellow houses, the yellow light in the windows, the yellow baby carriage, and the man riding the far right horse is wearing a yellow jacket while the other 2 are wearing black jackets.
On December 03 2006 18:13 CultureMisfits wrote: anyone notice the consistancy in the color yellow?
the yellow houses, the yellow light in the windows, the yellow baby carriage, and the man riding the far right horse is wearing a yellow jacket while the other 2 are wearing black jackets.
On December 03 2006 18:13 CultureMisfits wrote: anyone notice the consistancy in the color yellow?
the yellow houses, the yellow light in the windows, the yellow baby carriage, and the man riding the far right horse is wearing a yellow jacket while the other 2 are wearing black jackets.
The answer should be in the difference of the original from the copy. There are no shadows in the original. The red cloth (rocket booster) are now in the back of the top sledge. More houses. Painters perspective further back from the houses but still close to the horses. Number 3 is even more significant in the original since there are 3 skiiers hanging out talking. In insane version the skiiers seem to have the same color of their clothes (I migt be colorblinde here) for some reason. Still that would be a minor detail and not significant. The childrens faces are probably drawn like that due to lack of skill as a painter.
Well I got nothing so I'll quit now. But I'm still sure the solution is in comparing the pictures as one painter was not insane. Regardless wheter the professor knew about the original or not.
EDIT: If he was afraid of water, I doubt that he would be able to make that other painting of a storm.
fear of ice? or maybe falling through ice. the answer should be something thats different between the original and the insane person's version, and its pretty clear that the horses are running on an icey surface in the reproduction, in the original it was just snow. original had clouds of snow being kicked up behind the sleds, reproduction doesnt. reproduction also has that streak of blue which is probably the edge of the frozen over body of water. also in the original the horse's hooves are digging into the snow, as are the runners of the sled. in the reproduction everything is resting cleanly on the surface, that could just be the painter's skill but he copies fairly minute details in other areas. the fact that the sled riders look depressed, or at the least definetly not as joyous as in the original, suggests that they are upset now that they are on the ice, while they were happy when they were on the ground.
the shadows seem like they should be significant, the fact that none of the images in the foreground have one, but its the same in the original, the insane person was just copying that detail.
the fear of the sun idea is interesting because everything in the background is astoundingly yellow and everything is so dark. fear of light might make more sense, as he may be able to focus on yellow without it triggering the phobia, since yellow would be related to the sun/source of light, but not actually being the light itself. fear of the sun or anything directly related to yellow and he wouldnt able to stand so much yellow in the painting itself.
its not a fear of empty space, he removes space-filling details that were in the original, the bushes and stuff.
its night and there is no electric wires no source of electricity.fear of horses perhaps ? fear of people stering at him couse he is stering at the picture in a way of fear from it he is teriffaid of the picture so he is totaly in front of it and does not wont to look at it can it be that he has fobia from faces people watching him its like stihomania combined with schizofrenia hmm there are so many teories in this picture.
On December 03 2006 17:49 Refrain[FriZ] wrote: For anyone who's really interested there's a thread in the GBS (General Bullshit) forum in the SomethingAwful forums discussing it. I *think* you don't need an account, but I'll link it below: It's very long; currently 12 pages and a lot of excellent theories, including the discovery of the so-called "actual" explanation which I think is a bit ridiculous. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2204525&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
What is the so-called actual explanation? I dont feel like wading through 12 pages of goon talk.
i think its fear of teeth. If you take out all the objects well it looks like a set of pearly whites to me. And in the original the people are all smiling, but in this one not one of them is. Being its winter int he painting, i would hear the wind blowing, that could be the sound of breathing.
If its not a scam, I think I'm gonna settle on this theory:
The difference between them is one of perspective. In the original painting, the vantage point is one which would be typically observed by a human standing on the ground. We see plants in the foreground, and there’s plenty of open sky.
In the painting done by the patient, the vantage point is obviously significantly higher than one would expect. The perspective seems to indicate that the scene is being viewed from above while looking down at it, with almost no room for the sky.
This individual suffers from a dissociative disorder, and may possibly fear that they become unattached from their bodies and float away. It’s terribly common amongst schizophrenics.
Problem solved.
Also, to answer the question “what would you hear?”:
In the original painting, you would hear what you would expect to. Horses, people, etc.
In the second painting done by the patient, you’d hear only the wind whipping about.
And theres this too:
But just to milk it for a few more thousand hits… the following, apparently, is the answer. Given to me by an anonymous commenter claiming to be the professor’s former student. I don’t know if it should be believed or not. But it sounds crazy enough. And it fits in with the patient’s alleged condition — he saw imaginary things all around him.
Here goes.
“In this painting, we are Spring. You can see water, melting snow, in the lower left corner. The people are looking at us, afraid that their little world is about to melt down. They’re escaping from us, from Spring, in those sleds. It’s also why all the doors of all the houses are shut.”
but skyglow, the disorder(s) in that solution aren't "rare". to me, this looks like the kind of thing that is attractive because everyone thinks they can prove something by figuring it out, but there's no real path to figure it out, it's just like looking for a needle in a haystack if you ask me, except it is set up to make people feel like if they are smart and special, they'll find the needle that no one else is finding and might not even be there.
When I first looked at this picture, the little children gave me the creeps. I'm pretty sure a potential answer lies in that fact. And the quote skyglow's post seems very interesting, at least a lot more than a damn snowman phobia.
On December 03 2006 20:27 lugggy wrote: but skyglow, the disorder(s) in that solution aren't "rare". to me, this looks like the kind of thing that is attractive because everyone thinks they can prove something by figuring it out, but there's no real path to figure it out, it's just like looking for a needle in a haystack if you ask me, except it is set up to make people feel like if they are smart and special, they'll find the needle that no one else is finding and might not even be there.
while it's true that schizophrenia isn't exactly rare, it is only the second disease that has been mentioned in this thread (by my count) and that in itself makes it a good guess. it doesn't hurt that the reasoning behind it carries some logic to it either =]
And here's an explanation for the "correct" answer by the suppossed student:
Well, I agree that it has got something to do with spring.
If we just look at the clues we are given the main one is that we should “think of the place without any objects”. If we do that then we see only snow except for the running water and grass that is regaining it’s color at the bottom of the picture.
We are also told that we should imagine what could have been prior to this scene. Winter before spring ? Should we be thinking about seasons as the big picture ?
Another theory suggested that the object that the people were looking at was a burning strawman, a symbol of the end of winter and beginning of spring in some pagan beliefs. The professor responded with: “Not a strawman, but close”. So, not that specific symbol, but close ? Maybe just spring in general ? Or rather the end of winter ?
Also, one of the first hints was “If you were inside the painting, what would you hear ?” Well, horses is the first thing that comes to mind, but seeing as that hint was given along with the “all objects removed” hint I would guess that the only thing you would hear would be the sound of the running stream at the bottom of the picture, seeing as everything else would just be snow on a hill. Running water during winter ? Nah, it’s getting warmer, spring is here. The professor also mentioned that “water and air” were key elements. I can see the water part, but I’m not sure about the air. Maybe it’s referring to the slightly less snow in the copy than in the original, and also that the snow seems much more distant ?
Well, this is the only way it makes sense to me. The hints and clues don’t really make any sense at all together unless they are related to the seasons. They made me more confused than I would have been without them. I don’t reckon that this theory makes much sense though, seeing as the original also included spring, although the professors hints all seem to lead to it.
Well, I agree that it has got something to do with spring.
If we just look at the clues we are given the main one is that we should “think of the place without any objects”. If we do that then we see only snow except for the running water and grass that is regaining it’s color at the bottom of the picture.
We are also told that we should imagine what could have been prior to this scene. Winter before spring ? Should we be thinking about seasons as the big picture ?
Another theory suggested that the object that the people were looking at was a burning strawman, a symbol of the end of winter and beginning of spring in some pagan beliefs. The professor responded with: “Not a strawman, but close”. So, not that specific symbol, but close ? Maybe just spring in general ? Or rather the end of winter ?
Also, one of the first hints was “If you were inside the painting, what would you hear ?” Well, horses is the first thing that comes to mind, but seeing as that hint was given along with the “all objects removed” hint I would guess that the only thing you would hear would be the sound of the running stream at the bottom of the picture, seeing as everything else would just be snow on a hill. Running water during winter ? Nah, it’s getting warmer, spring is here. The professor also mentioned that “water and air” were key elements. I can see the water part, but I’m not sure about the air. Maybe it’s referring to the slightly less snow in the copy than in the original, and also that the snow seems much more distant ?
Well, this is the only way it makes sense to me. The hints and clues don’t really make any sense at all together unless they are related to the seasons. They made me more confused than I would have been without them. I don’t reckon that this theory makes much sense though, seeing as the original also included spring, although the professors hints all seem to lead to it.
It’s just a guess.
that's interesting, but there isn't anything in this painting that indicates a phobia or disorder. i mean, a jackson pollock would look more like he had a mental disease than this painting-and he was just an alcoholic. so how people can say this painting is representative of a fear of spring is far fetched. imagina all of the paintings of witner scenes, spring scenes and it just doesn't make much sense.
I don't think the guy intended to mean a fear of spring itself, but the fact that the people are attempting to run away from their little world which is melting because of spring? I dunno I'm really dumb on this.
actually there was a post from someone who claimed to work with the author of the original, and he said that it had nothing to do with maslenitsa or spring whatsoever, it was just a winter day.
professor puts the painting online saying that there is sign of the painters insanity in the picture and he tells us that the crazy guy suffers delusional fantasy's (implying that this picture is one of his fantasy's) and you can find a detail that proves his insanity. he announces that he will come online on a specific date and let people know the answer (don't remember the date)
after being on the internet -- The original Picture Surfaces
professor then realizes that his theory is broken due to the fact that this isn't an original piece of work.
professor doesn't show up for the scheduled web meeting to announce the truth cause he made a mistake.
remembe that he presented this in a lecture, which is to say he never considered it to be very mysterious or nonintuitive. so the clue basically says that the picture is colder than usual(the holiday celebrating spring) and casts a lingering winter, and that's basically it. Even without the knowledge of the painting being a reproduction, that explanation still works, although the clues are now void and all we have are general impression suggestions. Very difficult to draw such a specific conclusion from just "it seems really cold"
Any of these "In X amount of years only Y people have gotten it" generally turn out to be bullshit. That's why I haven't given this much thought at all.
Either this is a hoax or the professor figured out, from all the new info that people have found about previous paintings etc, that his 'diagnosis' is bullshit and doesn't want to be embarrassed.
I agree that this has become pointless.. I mean, we have no guarantee the professor will come and give us the right answer.. and even if one of us does guess it, no one will know if it is correct or not.
This is exactly the way it should have ended. No shitty phony answer made up which ruins the hoax, just a mystery that lives on in the ages. Just know that whenever this discussion is mentioned on forums in the future, you can warmly remember how stupid you were to be a part of it.
I don´t think it´s stupid to think about something like that. For me it was fun and I liked the picture as well. For me the result doesn´t matter that much. It´s just to think about something you don´t do every day. Just interesting not stupid.
On December 04 2006 10:05 Sewi wrote: I don´t think it´s stupid to think about something like that. For me it was fun and I liked the picture as well. For me the result doesn´t matter that much. It´s just to think about something you don´t do every day. Just interesting not stupid.
Exactly, I'm bit sad that it was hoax but come on, it was damn fun
couldnt it be something like afraid of darkness, klaustrophobic or something? very open landscape, stars on a clear sky in the night and the snow reflecting the light ?
This post from somethingawfull was exactly my thoughts after reading the initial post of this topic:
This is obviously a hoax. The professor says to "step a ways away and look at the picture on the whole" to see the insanity in the picture. The insanity in the picture only develops in the viewer after you wrack your brain staring at the image for an exorbitant amount of time.
Also, it never actually names the professor, and isn't it notable that his site discusses sitetraffic more than the riddle itself?
it seems that the yellow building, 2nd from the left is the only one with its lights off. could it be him inside that house, fear of leaving his house or socializing with the rest?
the question is, is it an obvious one or is it just a guessing game? its like looking at an very absract art and trying to figure out what the artist was trying to do, something only the artist knows.
I'm guessing dogs, because horses pulling a sled? Aren't dogs the critters that pull on sleds? The horses seem too big compared to the sled, so it looks a little off to me. Then again, I don't know that much about sleds (gogo Florida).
EDIT: I fail....people have already guessed that....
Since it is psycology students who posted it.I think that it is just an experiment to see how easy people are manipulated to overread something into a useless picture. And then overanalyze and overanalyze....
On December 05 2006 06:17 lakrismamma wrote: Since it is psycology students who posted it.I think that it is just an experiment to see how easy people are manipulated to overread something into a useless picture. And then overanalyze and overanalyze....
It's the fear of of spring, that they will all melt. You can see in the bottom left corner that the snow is about to melt, and that's why they're escaping on the sledges.
On December 05 2006 10:02 HungerForMore wrote: It's the fear of of spring, that they will all melt. You can see in the bottom left corner that the snow is about to melt, and that's why they're escaping on the sledges.
In the original picture, and this one, those are bushes, not melting snow/water. That explanation is garbage. This thing has got to be a hoax.
On December 05 2006 10:02 HungerForMore wrote: It's the fear of of spring, that they will all melt. You can see in the bottom left corner that the snow is about to melt, and that's why they're escaping on the sledges.
In the original picture, and this one, those are bushes, not melting snow/water. That explanation is garbage. This thing has got to be a hoax.
I dunno I think they're referring to the blue colour at the bottom left corner which does look like melting snow. Ignore the bush and you can see a change in the colour of the ground there.
On December 05 2006 10:02 HungerForMore wrote: It's the fear of of spring, that they will all melt. You can see in the bottom left corner that the snow is about to melt, and that's why they're escaping on the sledges.
Thats not melting snow it's bushes, like the ones in front of the houses.
On December 05 2006 10:02 HungerForMore wrote: It's the fear of of spring, that they will all melt. You can see in the bottom left corner that the snow is about to melt, and that's why they're escaping on the sledges.
In the original picture, and this one, those are bushes, not melting snow/water. That explanation is garbage. This thing has got to be a hoax.
I dunno I think they're referring to the blue colour at the bottom left corner which does look like melting snow. Ignore the bush and you can see a change in the colour of the ground there.
If you see the full picture (the one not fucked up from scanning) it's a bush. It's bushes in the original, and it's bushes in this one. The crazy guy just sucked at painting.
On December 05 2006 10:02 HungerForMore wrote: It's the fear of of spring, that they will all melt. You can see in the bottom left corner that the snow is about to melt, and that's why they're escaping on the sledges.
In the original picture, and this one, those are bushes, not melting snow/water. That explanation is garbage. This thing has got to be a hoax.
I dunno I think they're referring to the blue colour at the bottom left corner which does look like melting snow. Ignore the bush and you can see a change in the colour of the ground there.
If you see the full picture (the one not fucked up from scanning) it's a bush. It's bushes in the original, and it's bushes in this one. The crazy guy just sucked at painting.
Ignore the bush and see where there is blue colour on the ground at that part of the painting.
assuming there is a valid answer, this is the most plausible theory i've heard so far:
I'd say it's cortical blindness and/or Unilateral Neglect mixed in with a bit of anosognosia manifested as blindsight.
This painting is a copy of the original, however the difference is that, all of the content right from the center is missing in the copy. The copy only contains the same information from the left hand side of the painging but seen from another angle.
Compared to the original painting, there is "nothing" on the right hand side of the copy.
this person literally cannot conceive of anything on the right hand side of his perspective. were you to ask him to draw a clock, you would probably get only the numbers 6,7,8,9,10,11, 12, either all around the circle of the clock or trailing off at 6 and 12. the story would be much the same if you asked him to draw an upside down clock, however, the numbers would be 12,1,2,3,4,5,6.
This person knows there is another "half" of the painting, but cannot conceive of it, and so "fills in" the right hand side with the left hand side, but from a new perspective.
I'd imagine that this person, were they male, would only shave the left hand side of his face. I'd also wager that out of a pair of playing cards, this person would only be able to identify the left hand one, and would either fabricate the suit and number of the right hand card, or claim that the right hand card was the same card as the left hand card. However, they would be adamant about the correctness of their identification of both cards.
Anosognosia is a condition where you refuse to believe that you have a disorder or handicap, and attempt to compensate with either behaviors or rationales. I.E. a paralyzed person may claim that they are in a full body caste, and that is what is preventing them from being able to move.
On December 06 2006 16:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: What about something simple like agoraphobia (fear of open places) or hydrophobia (fear of water[or snow]) ??
Both have been discussed. Agoraphobia was "close" according to the professor, but not right. Hydrophobia is one of the most popular theories.
On December 06 2006 16:15 CharlieMurphy wrote: What about something simple like agoraphobia (fear of open places) or hydrophobia (fear of water[or snow]) ??
Both have been discussed. Agoraphobia was "close" according to the professor, but not right. Hydrophobia is one of the most popular theories.
Any answer is right at this point though.
Well both paintings have children by themselves involved, maybe it has to do with some kind of fear of abandonment or being lost that stemmed from the patients childhood?
The Professor has deleted his two-day-old LiveJournal. All that’s left is an explanatory note by the original poster. Allegedly, somebody leaked the Professor’s personal data, including his phone number, and people started calling him and asking for the answer; some made threats. So, allegedly, he became angry and left, taking his secret into the grave offline.
At least that’s what the note says. The poster turned off the comments for that entry. He says that he, too, has been denied the answer. His nickname shaltai_baltai, by the way, is the Russian translation of “Humpty Dumpty”; and whether we believe him or not, this was certainly a great fall.
Did someone surmise in the comments that the painting was perfectly normal, but the Professor is, in fact, mad?
Anyway, since there’s still a lot of you and I’m feeling rather guilty, I’ll do a token good deed and point you to The Antipsychiatry Coalition — “a nonprofit volunteer group consisting of people who feel we have been harmed by psychiatry - and of our supporters.”
I’m not sure we’re mere supporters now. I think we’ve actually been harmed.
''SEE the strange black guys on the sleigh. They wear SAME black CAP (strange shape) and they are not in the original picture at all! But the ill person paint them 5 times !! (5 people)
They are psychopomp (guider to the hell or heaven) !!
and See!
on the left sleigh , there are [2] people + one psychopomp. then see the left of the picture. there are [2] children. They will die.
on the middle sleigh, there are [3] people + no psychopomp. then see the left-middle of the picture. there are [3] children. They will die.
on the right sleigh, there are [1] person +2 psychopomp. then see the middle if the picture. there are 2 adult and one baby carriage. The baby will die. (looks cattiage’s already empty)
As a reult, 1 . All of children in the picture is dead. 2. The painter can see psychopomp. 3. the black uniform guys are psychopomp.
The mental illness of the painter is [See the illusion of psychopomp who carrys death to the kids]''
On December 07 2006 12:58 TT1 wrote: ''SEE the strange black guys on the sleigh. They wear SAME black CAP (strange shape) and they are not in the original picture at all! But the ill person paint them 5 times !! (5 people)
They are psychopomp (guider to the hell or heaven) !!
and See!
on the left sleigh , there are [2] people + one psychopomp. then see the left of the picture. there are [2] children. They will die.
on the middle sleigh, there are [3] people + no psychopomp. then see the left-middle of the picture. there are [3] children. They will die.
on the right sleigh, there are [1] person +2 psychopomp. then see the middle if the picture. there are 2 adult and one baby carriage. The baby will die. (looks cattiage’s already empty)
As a reult, 1 . All of children in the picture is dead. 2. The painter can see psychopomp. 3. the black uniform guys are psychopomp.
The mental illness of the painter is [See the illusion of psychopomp who carrys death to the kids]''
EPT
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