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On March 04 2011 03:19 -Frog- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2011 02:50 Slayer91 wrote:
Briennes chapters would have been a lot more interesting if they weren't all so pointless and boring.
Cersei prolly going to die soon, Brienne has had like zero character development so she can't die yet. Brienne is a woman in a man's world, even when she wins Renly's tournament her peers still look down on her with disdain. She has to struggle to be accepted even though her skills in combat are on par with the best warriors in Westeros. She finally finds acceptance with Catelyn and is tasked with getting her daughters back and she keeps running into failure after failure. Despite rejection all of her life and the hardships she goes through she never stops fighting and never stops trying to fulfill her oath to Catelyn. Whether you like her or not is of course a personal decision but to say she has zero character development is very extreme and not consistent with the facts of the series.
Great, that's like 5 chapters and the rest is the same old thing repeated over and over.
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Fucking finally! I refuse to read anything else that isn't fully completed no matter how good people say it is after been dragged along by asoif, wot and berzerk. Will have to time my re-re-re-re-re-read of the series for when dwd comes out...psyched!
As far as Brienne goes I never really considered the searching-for-Sansa chapters to be about her, more of just a way for GRRM to tell us about what is going on in the middle of the country. Certainly never found them boring, I find it refreshing to see how the war is affecting all the normal people and love anything to do with Dondarrion's crew
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I know this is probably not going to happen, but I would be really happy if both + Show Spoiler + and + Show Spoiler +. Don't really like either of them anyway. 
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On March 04 2011 02:22 ToxNub wrote:
I really like ASOIAF... One of the best fantasy series I've read.
The Prince of Nothing trilogy is wayyyy good too.
I started reading The Malazan Book of the Fallen and while the writing and the ideas are good I think his dialogue is complete crap, and there are paragraphs that I seriously can't even figure out what they mean... I've never had this happen in any book I've ever read. Also, the unfolding power hierarchy is spending way too much time trying to be more epic than the last power and has lost all sense of transitivity and logic.
Example: Jaghut tyrant's power supposedly stored in acorn. Jaghut fights dragons without acorn with a leet undead anti-magic aura Imass in the vicinity and causes earthquake/volcanos for fun. Why is jaghut so powerful if jaghuts are mortal? But wait, THIS one isn't mortal since he was imprisoned in a tomb under the ground for 300k years... And if he was so fucking powerful, how did anyone imprison him, especially the other jaghuts who were supposedly pacifiists and later got killed by the tellan imass that the tyrant so easily enslaved?
I can't even explain the actions of characters, they just seem weird and nonsensical. -_- Not sure if I will keep reading after this first book unless I can find assurances it gets better (it is #1 in a long series...)
The first book is the worst and most confusing. I always recommend people start with book 2 and then go back.
On topic: YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHH!
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On March 04 2011 07:01 GeorgeForeman wrote:This totally makes up for + Show Spoiler +So excited. :-)
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You can't throw that kind of spoiler in a thread about ASOIAF with no label other than "spoiler"! Do you really think anyone would see "spoiler!" in this thread and think "oh, he must be talking about GSL"?
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Sweet..! at last the best series continues. Despite the fact that a feast for crows really let me down.
Got pretty high expectations for the TV-series as well.. so lots of nice stuff coming.
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I was on vacation for one week and didn't have internet... this is SO GREAT. Wow... finally the series continues. And George compared it with A Storm Of Swords in terms of epicness... it will be a blast.
I have to realize the feeling that I will be sitting there in July and read a new book of A Song of Ice and Fire... I will so value every single word because I must suppose that he turned it over over and over again.
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Sweet, made my day :D still it's a long wait till July
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I just finished Book 2 and I'm not sure I have any sense of what the narrative arc is. There is no linear sense of movement towards any kind of purpose or goal. Any character you might begin to get that sense for is either killed or made obsolete to the story...
Perhaps I am reacting a bit prematurely, but come on, by the end of book 2 in a 5 book series I should at least have a sense of the point of the story and what we are working (reading) towards. All of Book 2 seems to be superfluous by the end anyway... though I'm sure that will change in book 3.
Hell, apart from maybe Jon Snow I don't even know who the 'good guys' are. Living, anyway....
Obviously I will keep going... but Martin does not seem to allow, or even want to allow, his audience to have any solid ground to stand on... by this point I am immune to caring for any characters, knowing they could die unexpectedly by the turn of the next page...
Though I will give Martin this: He has a good sense of what people are really like at base.
"There are no men like me - there's just me." - Jaime Lannister
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It gets somewhat more clear as you go on, but also to some degree one main point is that there really aren't many/any "good guys," just people trying to do whats best for them.
Also... from this march to next march is an epic years worth of book releases... the ending to the Malazan Book of the Fallen came out a couple weeks ago, Dance with Dragons in the summer, and A Memory of Light this time next year. /swoon
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I'd like to publicly give a loud FUCK YOU to George R.R. Martin for totally wasting my fucking time...
I'm seriously ANGRY.. raging even over his decision making in these god forsaken books.
What the hell is the point of dragging these characters to hell and back only to kill them and everyone else at the first sight of relief from the hell they have been living through... it's like unknowingly sitting to witness an execution but being forced to watch them get tortured first... unfuckingreal.
I'm debating finishing the books.. I can't believe this shit.
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A dance with dragons? FINALLY! I really enjoyed this series, however I do have one criticism... its to do with the character Daenerys
+ Show Spoiler +I found it really lame how when she bought the unsullied in astapor, the masters just handed them over to her, and then let her sack the city. It just makes no sense that they could not see that coming I mean they just gave her an unstoppable army right in the middle of their undefended city.
Any person would have sacked it, if they have morals they would want to stop the slavery as dany does, and if they weren't morally righteous they would still sack the city simply for the loot & power or to recoup the price of the unsullied. It was really really weak plot point, I found it impossible to believe.
Ever since that event I find myself cringing whenever I read Daenerys's perspective, as she miraculously scores victory after victory, it really gets on my nerves. It breaks my immersion, I know fantasy doesn't have to be realistic but it should be consistent with the rules of the world. I wish GRRM would just kill her off like he does with other characters, but ofcourse that won't happen because shes the chosen one mother of dragons blah blah blah. Personally I was glad A Storm of swords had nothing to do with her, however I did miss Tyrion and Jon Snow.
I love all the other characters though.
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On March 13 2011 04:32 blamous wrote:
I just finished Book 2 and I'm not sure I have any sense of what the narrative arc is. There is no linear sense of movement towards any kind of purpose or goal. Any character you might begin to get that sense for is either killed or made obsolete to the story...
Perhaps I am reacting a bit prematurely, but come on, by the end of book 2 in a 5 book series I should at least have a sense of the point of the story and what we are working (reading) towards. All of Book 2 seems to be superfluous by the end anyway... though I'm sure that will change in book 3.
Hell, apart from maybe Jon Snow I don't even know who the 'good guys' are. Living, anyway....
Obviously I will keep going... but Martin does not seem to allow, or even want to allow, his audience to have any solid ground to stand on... by this point I am immune to caring for any characters, knowing they could die unexpectedly by the turn of the next page...
Though I will give Martin this: He has a good sense of what people are really like at base.
"There are no men like me - there's just me." - Jaime Lannister
Don't expect to learn anything more from the later books.
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It seems that later on, the entire 'game' to capture the throne is being diverted to the threat beyond the wall and coming of Winter. At least for some characters. There still remain a couple (but not many) pretendants to the throne and the rest are just caught trying to get back on track after being tossed to the very bottom, mostly attepmting to survive somehow.
But, I'm not a great fan of this series. There is no real protagonist I could attach myself to by the end of book 4, some characters I outright despise and hate it when I have to read chapters from their view etc. etc.
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Regarding the game of thrones
+ Show Spoiler +How is the only threat to the throne from over the sea?
You have Danny who no doubt will invade.
You have Dorne in the south wich plots to start a war.
You have Stannis Baratheon in the north.
You have the threat from beyond the wall.
You have Jaqen H'gar who is plotting around the Citadel for god knows what.
You have the Iron Islands planning a take over.
The throne itself last we saw might even be taken over by the church.
Littlefinger owns 2 territories with a claim to a 3rd via Sansa, wich would comprise of nearly half the land.
Many things happen across the sea but to suggest that is the only Danny that poses a threat seems just wrong.
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On December 02 2006 09:50 KwarK wrote:
He kills the main charactors every 15 pages, then introduces a new one before setting them up to die. It's an interesting writing style. Plus hot twin incest.
... go on
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