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On March 04 2011 02:24 KOFgokuon wrote: i think brienne's chapters are extremely boring but that's just me Briannes chapters would have been a lot more interesting if she hadnt been lost in the woods looking for Sansa for the whole book. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
Cersei prolly going to die soon, Brienne has had like zero character development so she can't die yet. | ||
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Hillhome
United States11 Posts
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Lysithea
Sweden204 Posts
On March 04 2011 02:37 Klunssila wrote: Hey coincidently I'm supposed to read the first book for school, but I haven't got enough time because I've been playing too much SC2 lately and the return date is 2 days from now! So could some kind person please give me a TL;DR of the first book? Read the book! I wouldn't even know how to do a tl;dr about any of these books. Is it even possible? | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On March 04 2011 02:52 Lysithea wrote: Read the book! I wouldn't even know how to do a tl;dr about any of these books. Is it even possible? It would look somewhat like this: War and Peace. But, you know, with more characters, more blood, more fights and ...s...stuff.  | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Now I know what series I'll be re-reading this summer at least. And as a bonus, i remember almost nothing before where the series cut out, so it'll be awesome all over again. Then it'll be time to wait 20 years for the next one? o.o and there are paragraphs that I seriously can't even figure out what they mean... I've never had this happen in any book I've ever read. Don't worry, was the same with me. Just a touch overly ambitious, not enough time spend explaining things. Found i went from 1 book every 2-3 days to 1 book ever 1-2 weeks, because it was just harder to read/understand. Not every series is created equal. ^^ | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
All the delays have utterly shattered my belief that the author still cares about this series, and I'm convinced that there's a good chance GRRM will die before it's finished. I'm all for authors exploring other genres and taking creative breaks, but he's alienated countless numbers of his fans with his ridiculous behavior and I'm one of them. I dearly love the series so far, and the ASoIaF books will always hold a special place in my heart and on my shelf. But I've stopped recommending GRRM's work to friends and family a long time ago and will continue to do so until ASoIaF is finished. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On March 04 2011 02:44 Tesla12 wrote: I really like the series but i dont like the fact that there is no real main character i can connect with... DAVOS. FOR. LIFE. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
Oh wow I am echoing the sentiment and re-reading everything the week before this comes out. | ||
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TimeOut
Germany1277 Posts
Finally! :D I hope for more Daenerys and Arya chapters. | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On March 04 2011 02:50 Slayer91 wrote: Briennes chapters would have been a lot more interesting if they weren't all so pointless and boring. Cersei prolly going to die soon, Brienne has had like zero character development so she can't die yet. Brienne is a woman in a man's world, even when she wins Renly's tournament her peers still look down on her with disdain. She has to struggle to be accepted even though her skills in combat are on par with the best warriors in Westeros. She finally finds acceptance with Catelyn and is tasked with getting her daughters back and she keeps running into failure after failure. Despite rejection all of her life and the hardships she goes through she never stops fighting and never stops trying to fulfill her oath to Catelyn. Whether you like her or not is of course a personal decision but to say she has zero character development is very extreme and not consistent with the facts of the series. | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On March 04 2011 03:19 -Frog- wrote: Brienne is a woman in a man's world, even when she wins Renly's tournament her peers still look down on her with disdain. She has to struggle to be accepted even though her skills in combat are on par with the best warriors in Westeros. She finally finds acceptance with Catelyn and is tasked with getting her daughters back and she keeps running into failure after failure. Despite rejection all of her life and the hardships she goes through she never stops fighting and never stops trying to fulfill her oath to Catelyn. Whether you like her or not is of course a personal decision but to say she has zero character development is very extreme and not consistent with the facts of the series. Those aren't examples of character development, that's just back-story, and saying that she "never stops trying" is more of an attribute than a narrative development. She much more static than dynamic, although I don't think one can say Brienne has zero character development; she does go through some development over the arc with Jaime, it's just that her chapters are mostly pretty trite and uninteresting, at least for me. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-update.html | ||
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Baffels
United States1486 Posts
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Tyrio
United States3248 Posts
On March 04 2011 03:43 pred470r wrote: \Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but he just put a release date on his site- 12 July 2011, and says it's final. I feel pretty excited after waiting for 6 years after the last shitty book, I hope this one really is Storm of Swords pt. 2 http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-update.html I'M SO HARD RIGHT NOW. Had the series recommended to me ages ago (I came up with this screen name back in the 3rd grade, long before I heard of the series) and finally started the first book like 3 weeks ago. Proceeded to power read them all. Love the series, really dislike half the povs though. Can't wait for more Arya and Daenarys in DotD. | ||
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maitiu
Germany58 Posts
On March 04 2011 03:43 pred470r wrote: Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but he just put a release date on his site- 12 July 2011, and says it's final. I feel pretty excited after waiting for 6 years after the last shitty book, I hope this one really is Storm of Swords pt. 2 http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-update.html holy fucking shit this is awesome news:D:D:D | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
As far as her chapters being trite - I suppose that is true given what we currently know but that doesn't mean they aren't building to something that will be of more importance. Additionally her chapters let you view how Jaime changes via his interactions with her and they also take you on a journey through the common lands of Westeros. Almost everything else takes place in a major city or castle but her chapters let you view what is happening to the common folk and what takes place between the cities (as does Arya's chapters). Ultimately I was arguing against the claim that she has zero character development and I think your interpretation of her chapters was a lot more fair than Slayer91's. As far as them being uninteresting: like I said previously, that's more subjective than whether or not she had development as a character and I won't argue that point of course. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On March 04 2011 03:43 pred470r wrote: Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but he just put a release date on his site- 12 July 2011, and says it's final. I feel pretty excited after waiting for 6 years after the last shitty book, I hope this one really is Storm of Swords pt. 2 http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-update.html About damn time! I'll have to re-read the series in the summer to recall all the intricate details of the plots. I am worried that I'll overhype this for myself but what the hell, it's aSoIaF. Oh and Mr Martin, don't ever do this to us again please! | ||
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On March 04 2011 03:51 -Frog- wrote: How is it backstory if all those events take place during the course of the novel and contribute to how you view her character? The fact that she never gives up on her quest becomes an attribute as you read her chapters - how is that not a development of character? Development suggests a change in the characterization, either implicitly or explicitly, through the actions or events of the book. In my opinion, Brienne goes through very little significant change through the course of the book. As far as her chapters being trite - I suppose that is true given what we currently know but that doesn't mean they aren't building to something that will be of more importance. Additionally her chapters let you view how Jaime changes via his interactions with her and they also take you on a journey through the common lands of Westeros. Almost everything else takes place in a major city or castle but her chapters let you view what is happening to the common folk and what takes place between the cities (as does Arya's chapters). Well, obviously I can't comment on the future, so if GRRM has something interesting in mind for Brienne's future, more power to him. Her interaction with Jaime serves much more as a springboard for development of Jaime than her own character, and when we get to her big moment at the end of AFFC, I ultimately really didn't care because I didn't find her story or journey to be particularly well developed or interesting. Like you said, that may change in the future, but I can only comment on what I've read so far. Ultimately I was arguing against the claim that she has zero character development and I think your interpretation of her chapters was a lot more fair than Slayer91's. As far as them being uninteresting: like I said previously, that's more subjective than whether or not she had development as a character and I won't argue that point of course. Well, I feel like my lack of interest is directly tied to her lack of development, but you're right that it's still a subjective measurement, and I suppose other people may have found more in those chapters to enjoy than I did. | ||
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