EPTOn August 07 2014 23:38 farvacola wrote:
The US's embassy is in Tel-Aviv as well lol.
The US's embassy is in Tel-Aviv as well lol.
I was just making a point that literally everything he said is wrong.
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
I was just making a point that literally everything he said is wrong. | ||
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
On August 07 2014 23:29 DinoMight wrote: You're full of shit and here's proof. Egyptian embassy in Ottawa: http://www.mfa.gov.eg/english/embassies/Egyptian_Embassy_Ottawa/Pages/default.aspx Egyptian trade and relations with canada: http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/egypt-egypte/bilateral_relations_bilaterales/index.aspx?lang=eng Turkish embassy in Ottawa: http://ottava.be.mfa.gov.tr/ Turkish trade with canada: http://www.economy.gov.tr/index.cfm?sayfa=countriesandregions&country=CA®ion=1 Israel: http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/israel/bilateral_relations_bilaterales/index.aspx?lang=eng Canada maintains its embassy in Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem Thank you for the correction, noted. | ||
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
On August 07 2014 23:50 DinoMight wrote: I was just making a point that literally everything he said is wrong. Other than the Israel's capital what else was wrong? | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On August 07 2014 23:55 Wolfstan wrote: Other than the Israel's capital what else was wrong? That is why that west has a incredibly difficult time dealing with the middle east. How do you negotiate with people who place religion/hatred above self and family preservation? Israel is our ally in the middle east because there values are much more closely aligned with our own. When I asked you which values Israel has in common with the West that other countries in the Middle East don't you answered that they value economic ties (implying that Middle Eastern countries don't value economic ties). I just showed you that Egypt and Turkey have great economic ties with Canada. Saudi Arabia also does a lot of trade with Canada. Your quoted statement above is pure bigotry. Nothing else. EDIT - well, ignorance, also. | ||
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Days
United States219 Posts
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
On August 08 2014 00:07 DinoMight wrote: When I asked you which values Israel has in common with the West that other countries in the Middle East don't you answered that they value economic ties (implying that Middle Eastern countries don't value economic ties). I just showed you that Egypt and Turkey have great economic ties with Canada. Saudi Arabia also does a lot of trade with Canada. Your quoted statement above is pure bigotry. Nothing else. EDIT - well, ignorance, also. Oh I apologize then, you misunderstood me. I was actually agreeing with you then. I should have qualified the statement with Israel is one of our allies in the middle east. Money is definitely more important the official religion/colour of residents. It is also usually more important than moral/cultural alignment. Being allies with Israel doesn't prevent us from having ties with other sovereign states in the area unless those states put us into a "us or them" ultimatum. There isn't much in it for us to stand with Hamas of Iran over Israel. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On August 08 2014 00:35 Days wrote: i'm in the mood of self-defending the fuck out of someone. Should I enlist in the IDF? No, then you'd have to have the balls to actually fight someone irl, so probably not for you. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
On August 08 2014 00:35 Days wrote: i'm in the mood of self-defending the fuck out of someone. Should I enlist in the IDF? This is a good example of how the thread is going. I'll answer your question though. Generally if you're wanting to attack someone in "self-defence" you just attack someone and make sure they can't make a statement. Or get it socially sanctioned, ie "freedom fighter" or "soldier." But I suggest you make up a fake reason for why you are wanting to join an armed force, hopefully "cause I want to beat someone" doesn't get you in. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
On August 08 2014 00:42 docvoc wrote: No, then you'd have to have the balls to actually fight someone irl, so probably not for you. Ad hominem doesn't really do anything. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
For the good of Gaza one can only hope that they never win like that again or it's going to be a very empty place. | ||
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Days
United States219 Posts
On August 08 2014 00:42 docvoc wrote: No, then you'd have to have the balls to actually fight someone irl, so probably not for you. Wait by fighting you mean sitting in a tank and looking at a screen of where my shells will land? I don't think that requires any balls. On August 08 2014 00:44 Nacl(Draq) wrote: This is a good example of how the thread is going. I'll answer your question though. Generally if you're wanting to attack someone in "self-defence" you just attack someone and make sure they can't make a statement. Or get it socially sanctioned, ie "freedom fighter" or "soldier." But I suggest you make up a fake reason for why you are wanting to join an armed force, hopefully "cause I want to beat someone" doesn't get you in. You didn't understand my sarcasm  i'm making fun of this whole "self-defense" justification that pro-Israelis stand so devoutly for. | ||
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
 hey we have trouble with hamas lets bomb gana because why not | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 08 2014 00:47 Big J wrote: Lol @Hamas celebrating "their victory". For the good of Gaza one can only hope that they never win like that again or it's going to be a very empty place. I have been laughing at that for a while. Victory is truly in the eyes of the beholder. But at the end of the day, NPR reported that 2/3 of their rockets were used or destroyed, so there likely won't be this kind of non-sense for a while and it looks like the government in the West Bank might be working on taking over some level of security for Gaza. Maybe something good will come out of all of this and Gaza will be demilitarized and the blockage eased. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 08 2014 01:04 Plansix wrote: I have been laughing at that for a while. Victory is truly in the eyes of the beholder. But at the end of the day, NPR reported that 2/3 of their rockets were used or destroyed, so there likely won't be this kind of non-sense for a while and it looks like the government in the West Bank might be working on taking over some level of security for Gaza. Maybe something good will come out of all of this and Gaza will be demilitarized and the blockage eased. They won by a huge margin. A lot of people who otherwise didn't know or care about them have learned how one sided the conflict is and has always been. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 08 2014 01:56 Jormundr wrote: They won by a huge margin. A lot of people who otherwise didn't know or care about them have learned how one sided the conflict is and has always been. They won because now more people know by how much they lose? That's some weird logic ^^ | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 08 2014 02:01 Big J wrote: They won because now more people know by how much they lose? That's some weird logic ^^ They won because Israel lost significant populist support in the international community and because Palestine gained that support. Pretty simple. You can also bet that this strengthened Hamas' efforts in Gaza as well. I don't think anyone would be surprised that a lot of Hamas militants became the 'crazy jihad types' because one of their friends or family members was murdered by Israel. Or that the muslim world would increase support for Gazans. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On August 08 2014 02:08 Jormundr wrote: They won because Israel lost significant populist support in the international community and because Palestine gained that support. Pretty simple. You can also bet that this strengthened Hamas' efforts in Gaza as well. I don't think anyone would be surprised that a lot of Hamas militants became the 'crazy jihad types' because one of their friends or family members was murdered by Israel. Or that the muslim world would increase support for Gazans. if you say so | ||
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Bulugulu
Israel250 Posts
On August 08 2014 01:56 Jormundr wrote: They won by a huge margin. A lot of people who otherwise didn't know or care about them have learned how one sided the conflict is and has always been. That chart doesn't go anywhere towards showing this has "always" been a one-sided conflict. How are wars between Israel and more than 5 other countries one sided? Israel won those wars, and since there was a MASSIVELY disproportionate amount of soldiers on the other side they suffered more losses. It's really demagogic to show that chart and group up all of Israels previous wars with its neighbors (many of whom have signed peace treaties with Israel in return for large concessions on our side) along with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict based on a single statistic. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Yeah, I am not sure how the families of all those dead people feel about the victory. And if that's how you keep your enrollment numbers up, I think that system might backfire at some point. I would think both sides got what they wanted at a huge cost, but that is just me. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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