On October 29 2006 17:28 baal wrote:
the only bad thing about Chineese chess is when the King gets greedy declares communism and all the pawns die.

What a lame joke...

ky[Z]

China1730 Posts

October 29 2006 09:52 GMT

#23

On October 29 2006 17:35 haduken wrote:
only old people play this in China.

lol....plz stop generalizing and pretending you know everything.

I play chinese chess and a lot of my chinese friends play it too.

jkillashark

United States5262 Posts

October 29 2006 09:54 GMT

#24

장기 has a few different rules.

When I went to China for missions this summer, I played and CRUSHED the kids at Chinese Chess. Where I went to high school, all my friends were Chinese and I learned Chinese Chess. I was about a 1700 ELO regular Chess player (yeah I was a freaking nerd but don't imagnie fat asian kid with glasses, imagine 6' 200 pound hockey player with intelligence ;D).

From someone who knows how to play both games decently, I have to say International Chess (Western Chess if you will) is by FAR more complicated then Chinese Chess. There is FAR less strategy involved in Chinese Chess. It's just attack and whoever attacks better wins. Chess you have aspects of pawn formation, defense, counting which squares are owned, dark square vs light square weaknesses, potential sacrifices, and the list goes on and on. I picked up Chinese Chess way too quickly for it to be complicated. None of my Chinese friends can beat me.

I used to play religiously on FICS with this program called Thief but since college started last year I gave more priority to StarCraft =D. Though whenever I take a crap I bring out some old Chess books. ㅋㅋㅋ

Cambium

United States16368 Posts

October 29 2006 10:02 GMT

#25

Chess is definitely more complex. However, Chinese chess is also very interesting.

overuoveruoveru

143 Posts

October 29 2006 11:03 GMT

#26

in pro level, u can't come back when u have a significant disadvantage in chess, but in chinese chess, there are so many special moves which can make u come back and win the game in big disadvantage.

Kacas

Brazil3143 Posts

October 29 2006 11:48 GMT

#27

lol
even the opinions differ.

but there's a 1700 player.
i think he knows what he talks
=/

aseq

Netherlands3991 Posts

October 29 2006 12:00 GMT

#28

1700 is good, but not like extraordinary, i was 1600 when i was 14, then quit chess. I'll trust his judgement though. I don't know Chinese chess at all, except for the rules (and that the notation seems illogical, much harder to read than with conventional chess). Seems to me that soldiers, elephants and mandarins are just a lot of junk sitting around, the chariots, cannons and horses do all the real work (only 90% of the time of course).

Myrmidon

United States9452 Posts

October 29 2006 12:19 GMT

#29

I used to be passable at both--at upper amateur level at least. I'd say that international chess is more...subtle. It's more complex, with more possibilities for different openings and endgames. In Chinese Chess, the pieces are too limited by movement restrictions for achieve the same amount of depth in gameplay. That said, Chinese Chess is still a nice game, and you get a lot of exciting, tactical, two-edged positions. Part of that is the openness of the board, and the other part is the strong cannon piece that can leapfrog over others. In fact, I'd say that Chinese Chess is akin somewhat to International Chess in which only the Épine Dorsale (up to a trade or two) can be played.

jkillashark

United States5262 Posts

October 29 2006 13:16 GMT

#30

I think Chinese Chess is fun, because a lot of tacitcal planning is involved and you see a lot of cutthroat games, but there's very little strategy and any depth to the game. But even then, Chinese Chess players can't handle Chess but Chess players can MANHANDLE Chinese Chess players at their own game. Just for fun one period after AP testing in AP Calculus, the president of the Chinese Chess club brought out his set. I said, hey I know to play. Let's go!

He got schooled and he asked me to join his club. I said no.

I guess I generalize it a lot when I say Chess players > Chinese Chess players but Chess players have a far better thought process when making a move because the game has just far too many complications than to just attack with two or three pieces. In Chess, one move can threaten SO many things. Chess also can be played through a variety of styles. A very wild attacking and sacrifical style of chess was played by Mikhail Tal. A very defensive and preventative choking style of play was exhibited by Tigran Petrosian. A very strategically complicated style of play was shown by Emanuel Lasker.

A lot of times I like to think of StarCraft as the Chess of video games. As in, it's freaking perfect.

haduken

Australia8267 Posts

October 29 2006 13:26 GMT

#31

chinese cheese is like warcraft compared to go (starcraft). needs more to be said?

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

October 29 2006 14:23 GMT

#32

chinese chess is all about fast-paced tactics; very little slow play.

useLess

United States4781 Posts

October 29 2006 14:28 GMT

#33

Ive never played chinese chess before, but Im too into chess to bother to learn.

0x64

Finland4600 Posts

October 29 2006 16:12 GMT

#34

In communist china, chinese chess you

ssj100

Afghanistan320 Posts

October 29 2006 16:20 GMT

#35

Fischer Random Chess is the most complex I think.

Holbein

38 Posts

October 29 2006 16:29 GMT

#36

this is the most complicated game:

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

October 29 2006 16:35 GMT

#37

On October 29 2006 17:31 haduken wrote:
international cheese is way way way more complex. Chinese chess is pretty easy so long u follow the required openings.

Eh, no? The gametree complexit of chinese chess is higher than regular chess, followed by janggi, shogi and lastly by the infinitely more complex Go (weiqi, baduk).

http://www.csie.ndhu.edu.tw/~sjyen/Papers/2004CCC.pdf

(actually janggi wasn't in the list, hm).

ssj100

Afghanistan320 Posts

October 29 2006 16:42 GMT

#38

FrozenArbiter. No man, I don't think so my friend. Fischer Random Chess has 960 different starting positions, and is played like regular international chess. That is the most complex game I feel.

And to be honest, International Chess is the most balanced board game of all time. Why do you think people are making a living from just playing it, computer chess programs have been developing for decades (and people are buying them). It's just like Starcraft - there are many other computer games more complex than this (like Civ 4?) but Starcraft is much more popular as it is simple enough, but complex enough to be fun and enjoyable on all levels (noob to pro).

One Page Memory

Bulgaria2145 Posts

October 29 2006 16:45 GMT

#39

I somehow find that complexity don't bother me, since a specific level is reached. I enjoy classical chess more, but like to relax sometimes with chinese chess.

IIICodeIIIIIII

China1101 Posts

October 29 2006 16:48 GMT

#40

all competitive sports or games are equally difficult because you are competing against another PERSON, not the fucking game. Regardless of war2, war3, starcraft, halo, chess, chinese chess, go, if you send 60 hours a week practicing and you are playing another person who practices 60 hours a week, it's gonna be hard.

With that out of the way, i'd say that the differences between chinese chess and international chess is that chinese chess tends to be more tactical in nature whereas international chess has a lot more to do with maneuvering and strategies. This is because international chess has so many more pawns that tie up the game, and literally, up to half of the squares are occupied by pieces. In chinese chess, the squares are occupied by less pieces, and most of the offensive units can more around much more easily so there's more tactics involved with relatively speaking, less focus on positional variations (relative to chess).

I play chess. i love when i go back to china and school all the old people who are playing chinese chess. it's too bad that people don't play it as much as they used too. in the good old days, if you're on a train, there will be people playing chess and a group watching. Now, i was on a train several times and didn't see one chess game. curse the new generation!

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