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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
People cant buy fresh vegetables and what not in some countries/cities due to prices is so high compared to a frozen pizza or whatever. So what is the excuse of not walking to walk in the summer (if you can) or going for a cycle or whatever. Exercise is the key to beating obesity for me not changing the way food is. I mean who can resist McDonalds or whatever take away when they do stupidly cheap offers. It is a problem and we need to tackle it with exercise!! | ||
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DrCooper
Germany261 Posts
On May 30 2014 00:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote: this is a web forum not a phd thesis. i basically subscribe to Dr. John Berardi's research results.as noted in a previous post... ok great... take in 48,000 calories in 1 feeding every 14 days. compare that with 6 meals a day. frequency of eating matters. you've already put the 24 hour assumption in your post with your "per day" thing with food. nice attempt to shift the debate into your own assumption set. frequency of eating matters. your body will go into starvation mode with method 2. Sorry that is bro-science. There are no studies that point to a higher meal frequency leading resulting in a higher metabolic rate or better weight loss. Even John Berardi agrees with that. Now there is very little research on the "health" perspective (Vitamins, Cholesterol, etc.) of meal frequency. All studies that investigate meal frequency seem to focus on weight loss/metabolic rate. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20847729 On May 30 2014 00:42 Pandemona wrote: Interesting issue as many people are lured into all sorts of issues when it comes to their diets. But that shouldn't be where we point all the problems too, food has to be eaten or your not going to survive. What you need to look at is why people do not get the exercise they need. People cant buy fresh vegetables and what not in some countries/cities due to prices is so high compared to a frozen pizza or whatever. So what is the excuse of not walking to walk in the summer (if you can) or going for a cycle or whatever. Exercise is the key to beating obesity for me not changing the way food is. I mean who can resist McDonalds or whatever take away when they do stupidly cheap offers. It is a problem and we need to tackle it with exercise!! The price of foods is a huge issue. I was travelling in central america this spring and a bottle of water was more expensive than in europe. But if you like coke, you got that dirt cheap. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23160 Posts
On May 30 2014 01:02 DrCooper wrote: Sorry that is bro-science. There are no studies that point to a higher meal frequency leading resulting in a higher metabolic rate or better weight loss. Even John Berardi agrees with that. Now there is very little research on the "health" perspective (Vitamins, Cholesterol, etc.) of meal frequency. All studies that investigate meal frequency seem to focus on weight loss/metabolic rate. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20847729 The price of foods is a huge issue. I was travelling in central america this spring and a bottle of water was more expensive than in europe. But if you like coke, you got that dirt cheap. The irony of water being more expensive than Coke is almost unbearable. 1. It is likely the same corporation selling both. 2. Those same corporations spent years fighting selling water because they were convinced people would never buy it. I just wonder in Central America asking for 'some coke' is going to get you anything to drink anyway?  | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
On May 30 2014 01:02 DrCooper wrote: Sorry that is bro-science. There are no studies that point to a higher meal frequency leading resulting in a higher metabolic rate or better weight loss. Even John Berardi agrees with that. Now there is very little research on the "health" perspective (Vitamins, Cholesterol, etc.) of meal frequency. All studies that investigate meal frequency seem to focus on weight loss/metabolic rate. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20847729 The price of foods is a huge issue. I was travelling in central america this spring and a bottle of water was more expensive than in europe. But if you like coke, you got that dirt cheap. Yeah there you go, you hit the nail on the head. When Coke is cheaper than Water your going to drink Coke. If a 99cent cheese burger in Mcdonalds is cheaper than a $2 salad bowl your not going to pushed into buying a salad bowl. EXERCISE, is free and easily pushed onto people if you educate them on good healthy exercise when people are younger. I played football for my youth and then once i stopped i soon realized i needed more exercise as i gained weight so quickly once i started work. Now im back to being in good shape like i was when i was 16-18. And no i don't pay for the Gym, i bought £50 exercise bike and £30 dumbells and do cardio workout that you can find on the internet and on TL which is short and sweet. 20minute exercise x 4 days a week with dumbells on a friday is all i do. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
The lost energy of the exercise creates a feeling of excessive hunger, which is replenished with more junk food. That is why getting the diet under control is more important than exercise initially for people that don't move at all. Having lots muscles is of course a great fat burner. But for the purpose of losing weight, endurance sports are less effective than a proper diet. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4751 Posts
On May 30 2014 00:42 Pandemona wrote: 20minute exercise x 4 days a week with dumbells on a friday is all i do. Wow, that's pretty crazy dude :p But back to the topic, obesity should stop being such a stigma/taboo because it's just a simple fact that too many fat cells and cholesterol in your blood is going to harm you. Artherosclerosis, diabetes even alzheimer's disease are highly increased by choosing this "lifestyle". Now there are some very big problems here, the market and how it's marketed (which is unethical in its core) being the least of the problems. Genetics, personal background and present psychological well-being are probably just as relevant factors as the market they're flocking to to get their 1$ deals. People become lazy, depressed, or, have no time. This is a society created with an eye on the instant and this is where the problem lies imo. The dystopian view we're all too familiar with is becoming all too true, and not one in particular, but more like a mesh of every one out there. The biggest problem might actually be motivation, because I know how difficult and painful physical exercise can actually be. Now I know some basic stuff is very, very doable, but that's from my 72kg viewpoint, not a 150kg one, so that might actually be also biased. | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On May 30 2014 02:23 FractalsOnFire wrote: What I am really curious about is how first world Asian countries such as Japan, South Korea and Singapore maintain such low rates of obesity, yet have western food influences (McDs, KFC etc) and in the case of Singapore, cheap relatively unhealthy options as well (e.g hawker centres) IDK about other areas, but in Japan, it's all about eating smaller portions. Case in point, my younger brother who went there for a few weeks said he basically felt as though he never had enough to eat, and could eat 2-3 meals worth of a normal japanese person's food in a single sitting. | ||
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Bongy
Denmark151 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On May 30 2014 02:33 Bongy wrote: In my opinion obesity is a personal issue. I don't think any country needs to do more to regulate this as people who don't like being obese are themselves required to change their diet and/or exercise. It is not hard to know that water has less calories than cola. And everyone knows the word calories, if they don't quite understand what it is then it is only a google search away. That people should be responsible for their own actions (instead of the government) is becoming more and more rare in the western world. Eating less/moving more is apparently too hard for some people. However, when you get collective health care system you have to pay for other's people medical bills, which includes fat people and smokers, shit gets a bit messier. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
Japan has the second highest McDonald's density world wide. http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-around-the-world-density-map-2013-7 I don't know what's wrong with Libya for example. They don't even have a McDonald's there. They are still a developing country. And they're supposed to have the healthy Mediterranean food. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On May 30 2014 02:43 urboss wrote: Yeah, that's true, fast food is probably not the only explanation. Japan has the second highest McDonald's density world wide. http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-around-the-world-density-map-2013-7 I don't know what's wrong with Libya for example. They don't even have a McDonald's there. They are still a developing country. And they're supposed to have the healthy Mediterranean food. Well, one confounding variable (among many I'm sure) in the study is that in many cultures it's attractive to be overweight. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On May 30 2014 02:32 barbsq wrote: IDK about other areas, but in Japan, it's all about eating smaller portions. Case in point, my younger brother who went there for a few weeks said he basically felt as though he never had enough to eat, and could eat 2-3 meals worth of a normal japanese person's food in a single sitting. Also, if I'm not mistaken, some East Asian countries have higher prices on those same high caloric foods most of the world has on a "value menu." If a burger at McDonalds costs more than a bowl of ramen or a home cooked meal, it makes sense less of it would be eaten. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13873 Posts
As for the countries without a food problem people just want tasty food and not spend money on it. Basic human things can't be reformed out of. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On May 30 2014 02:23 FractalsOnFire wrote: What I am really curious about is how first world Asian countries such as Japan, South Korea and Singapore maintain such low rates of obesity, yet have western food influences (McDs, KFC etc) and in the case of Singapore, cheap relatively unhealthy options as well (e.g hawker centres) Our bodies are different, we have smaller structures and are more slender, and we have smaller appetites. Also only takes the height and weight into account it's not a surprise at all. Someone with a slender structure with a BMI of 25 is way "fatter" than someone with a large body structre with a BMI of 25. There's also the difference in culture. For example, my foreigner friends are asking me to gain weight (after I just lost tome) while my family is telling me I'm fat. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On May 30 2014 03:56 danl9rm wrote: "Junk" food does not cause obesity. Obesity is caused by eating too much food. Obesity is caused by not properly burning the excess calories you get from eating too much food, if I'm not mistaken. Trust me, I eat a lot of food (not always good food), but it isn't a problem because I exercise properly. This isn't just an issue of too much food or bad food, it's a combination of factors. | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
It's common knowledge at this point that a proper diet and exercise will lead to a healthier body. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
Just eat only what you need, when you're hungry, not when you're bored or just want to satisfy your taste buds. And secondly, do a little exercise every day. People hate exercise because its so difficult, all you need to do is some simple, fun exercises to stress the body. Your strength will slowly rise and you'll see that it can be really easy if you just take it slow. Eventually I think these messages will be hammered into everyone, there will be clear information on how to lose weight without going on thousands of different diets. Just eat when you're hungry, exercise a little...that is all you need to do. And of course have a banana once in a while and get all your vitamins  .I think another aspect (perhaps minor) is that in some countries people see being fat as a symbol of your status. If you're a fat guy you're wealthy and well-off. Its pretty sad, I hope that changes | ||
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