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urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 19:02:48
November 04 2013 18:01 GMT
#21
On November 05 2013 02:41 nosliw wrote:
well, any recommended games from either player that showcase strange openings or great tactical plays?

chessexplained on youtube is currently featuring great games from each of them.

Daniel King has released the previous matches between Carlsen and Anand.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 04 2013 18:03 GMT
#22
I don't see an way for Carlsen to lose this. He's simply the chess bonjwa
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
ne0lith
Profile Joined August 2011
537 Posts
November 04 2013 18:14 GMT
#23
Magnus isn't that strong since 6.79 but I still think he can win.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 04 2013 18:23 GMT
#24
As much as I want to see vishy win, Carlsen is going to smash
Question.?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 04 2013 18:32 GMT
#25
On November 05 2013 03:14 ne0lith wrote:
Magnus isn't that strong since 6.79 but I still think he can win.


What does 6.97 mean?
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
November 04 2013 18:40 GMT
#26
On November 05 2013 03:32 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 03:14 ne0lith wrote:
Magnus isn't that strong since 6.79 but I still think he can win.


What does 6.97 mean?

i think it's a doter 2 reference
jjakji fan
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 18:44:48
November 04 2013 18:44 GMT
#27
On November 05 2013 01:27 bartus88 wrote:
Even though I don't play chess myself, I've been reading up on it recently and plan on following this. Can anyone tell me why they start the event 2 days before the first game is played?

On Thursday there are parades, fireworks and lots of pomp.
On Friday everybody needs to take a rest.
The first game will start on Saturday.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 04 2013 18:44 GMT
#28
Shameless self-promotion: we also have The Chess Thread for this...

Regarding epic games from both players:

Aronian - Anand 0-1, Wijk aan Zee 2013
This game blows my mind and 15...Bc5 is simply out of this world.

Anand - Bareev 1-0, Dortmund 1992
Anand's wonderful positional win with good Knight vs bad Bishop.

I'm not putting anything from Magnus, because I don't like him Go Vishy!
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
November 04 2013 18:52 GMT
#29
thanks, I'll definitely need commentary with the games to understand what's happening... haha
erkicman
Profile Joined October 2010
United States206 Posts
November 04 2013 19:04 GMT
#30
I'm fairly unfamiliar with chess... do the players alternate between black and white between matches and flip a coin for who gets white first, since the black vs. white matchup is imbalanced in favor of white?
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 19:11:54
November 04 2013 19:08 GMT
#31
Carlsen - Grischuk 1-0, Linares 2009
A brutal, sacrificial victory in Sicilian, basing on pawn promotion threats.

Naiditsch - Carlsen 0-1, Turin 2006
Carlsen plays at least 6-7 move-deep piece sacrifice that leads to won endgame.

@erkicman - If it's a match, they start out by flip of a coin and alternate later. If it's tournament, the colours are usually fixed, though the rules are usually arranged in a way that gives all players closest to equal amount of Black and White games.

Also, White isn't imbalanced at all.
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
November 04 2013 19:43 GMT
#32
On November 05 2013 04:08 wingpawn wrote:
Carlsen - Grischuk 1-0, Linares 2009
A brutal, sacrificial victory in Sicilian, basing on pawn promotion threats.

Naiditsch - Carlsen 0-1, Turin 2006
Carlsen plays at least 6-7 move-deep piece sacrifice that leads to won endgame.

@erkicman - If it's a match, they start out by flip of a coin and alternate later. If it's tournament, the colours are usually fixed, though the rules are usually arranged in a way that gives all players closest to equal amount of Black and White games.

Also, White isn't imbalanced at all.

What is the argument of white being imbalanced based on?
Tomorrow never comes until its too late...
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 19:47:05
November 04 2013 19:46 GMT
#33
White gets the first move, and has a slightly higher winrate than black. Wikipedia talks about it too

I don't want to disagree with wingpawn, so I'll wait for his statement
jjakji fan
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
November 04 2013 19:50 GMT
#34
On November 05 2013 01:42 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
Regular Time Control:
120 minutes for the first 40 moves
60 minutes for next 20 moves
15 minutes for the rest of the game


wtf i have to sit on the chair for 3 hrs 1 game?


Time goes by really quick, and by that i mean really fucking quick when you're sitting in that chair.

Still remember my first 2 hour game. Was a blitz junkie before that too and time just flew by.


Fan of the Jangbanger
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
November 04 2013 19:55 GMT
#35
Go Carlsen! Such a bullshit move to hold the match in India though, there's been some mention of it in Norwegian media.
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 20:00:07
November 04 2013 19:55 GMT
#36
As you mentioned, most (all?) matches alternate the colors for each person and all have had an even number of max games so that everyone has the same number if it goes the distance. A ton of history here:

http://www.chessgames.com/wcc.html

Most games favor white on average, but what's true on average isn't necessarily true in any one game. For example, Anand basically won his world championship match against Kramnik due to his deep preparation on the black side of the Meran Semi-Slav.
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 19:57:10
November 04 2013 19:56 GMT
#37
Quote is not edit.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 04 2013 19:57 GMT
#38
On November 05 2013 04:43 Aelfric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 04:08 wingpawn wrote:
Carlsen - Grischuk 1-0, Linares 2009
A brutal, sacrificial victory in Sicilian, basing on pawn promotion threats.

Naiditsch - Carlsen 0-1, Turin 2006
Carlsen plays at least 6-7 move-deep piece sacrifice that leads to won endgame.

@erkicman - If it's a match, they start out by flip of a coin and alternate later. If it's tournament, the colours are usually fixed, though the rules are usually arranged in a way that gives all players closest to equal amount of Black and White games.

Also, White isn't imbalanced at all.

What is the argument of white being imbalanced based on?
Moving first gives you an advantage.
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 04 2013 20:01 GMT
#39
The speculative claim of an advantage to White is mostly based upon the fact that after checkmating your opponent, there's no chance for Black to "counter-checkmate" his opponent, because the game ends immediately.

But, on the other hand, Steinitz, Capablanca and even Bobby Fischer believed that the game is theoretically drawn, which would mean that every dangerous White move can be parried providing Black finds a proper response.

IMHO, the statistical imbalance towards the White side purely reflects the strength of the initiative that normally belongs to White. Not all players are able to handle the pressure with Black well enough to even draw, not to mention winning with it.

Currently, there's no technical way of "solving" chess with computers, meaning that definite answer whether it's a dead draw is unknown. But the draw percentage in strongest GM events is about 60-70 percent and that means something.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
November 04 2013 20:09 GMT
#40
On November 05 2013 04:08 wingpawn wrote:
Also, White isn't imbalanced at all.

If both white and black show perfect play the game should end in a draw.
This tendency is seen in current computer chess.
However, since chess is played by humans things are not so straightforward.
White doesn't have an advantage but it has the initiative.
That means, if white plays perfect moves black always needs to react and find the best defence for those moves.
For humans, this can be far more difficult than taking the initiative because white can choose from a variety of moves while black needs to react with the one best counter move.
That said, this doesn't matter for most chess players, it only applies to maybe the top 100 of the world.

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