US government shutdown - Page 28

On October 03 2013 00:34 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

I was responding to the 'europe is laughing at you' sentiment.

On October 03 2013 00:21 Terrestrialrage wrote:
The shutdown is a direct result of Conservative Extremists?

I would say the shutdown is a result of wide-reaching, unforeseen negative effects of the ACA and Republicans are standing their ground on what most Republicans and Conservatives would agree is a massive overreach of the government. Whether it is or not is not for this topic, but as a political Conservative myself, I'd say just fund it for now and see what happens. If it works, great, we get a good healthcare bill. If it doesn't work, we landslide the 2016 election and repeal it then.

On October 03 2013 00:47 Poffel wrote:

So? We don't even need to get into the details - as to why you think you can lecture a him by referencing the Euro crisis when he's from the one country in central Europe that's not part of the Euro zone, or whether 'but you did so, too' is a reasonable argument in political debate when most people would say it doesn't even hold water at a children's playground -; all I was pointing out is that you couldn't have given him better confirmation even if you tried.

On October 03 2013 00:34 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

I was responding to the 'europe is laughing at you' sentiment.

On October 03 2013 01:08 GhastlyUprising wrote:
The entire Conservative government in the UK seems to be going the same way as the Tea Party.

You could easily get a "domino effect" so the Tea Party lunacy spreads to other countries in Europe. It must have already taken root in Italy to some extent, with over 40% of Italians still backing that tax-avoiding, billionaire scumbag Berlusconi.

On October 03 2013 01:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Look stupid, he brought up an arguable point that the political system in Europe is functioning better than the political system in the US. I cited the Euro crisis, and all the stupidity surrounding it as a counter point.

On October 03 2013 01:02 zul wrote:
I think this is good. Hopefully it forces the US citizens to take more interest in their politics. This is nothing more but a fight about who has the bigger balls and this is politicans not caring about the country, but their power. Public healthcare is an absolute nobrainer, IF the healthcare is provided in a matter that serves all the people. Almost all western countrys have it.

Btw. are the members of congress still being payed?

In addition: no wonder the US government does not have enough money if companys like Google only pay 2,4% tax, because they use all kinds of tricks, but an low class worker has to pay something like 20%. THIS IS PLAIN WRONG!

On October 03 2013 01:02 Velr wrote:


First: I'm not from an EU country politically speaking ... But that doesn't matter.

Last time i checked the EU goverments actually still work and the EU/States did not cut down their services to the bare minimum because some bill, that went thru the whole democratic process, does not fit with the ideology of a major party.

Yes, europe is laughing at you for that (or rather european people are shaking their heads in disbelief).
No, that doesn't mean the EU crysis is handled particulary well and there is plenty of room to argue about all the stuff that is not handled well... But its for sure handled better than the utterly retarded and childish shit your pulling off atm.
You also have a funny way of "comparing" these things... your fight is about Obamacare... Something i would call "minor issue" when compared to all the european unions problems (which btw. blew up thanks to your housing bubble (but would have anyway sooner or later))...

On October 03 2013 01:21 Poffel wrote:

Ok, handsome, I take it that you don't see anything wrong with blaming him to refute his accusations on blaming practices (nor with any of the other reasons as to why what you deem a "counter point" is ill-suited as a response). Whatever let's you sleep at night... I'm simply going to pretend that you just wrote "Thanks, Poffel, for showing me that this style isn't going to win me any arguments ever," to which I replied, "You're welcome, Jonny, I'm glad I was able to be of assistance," and now we're done - hugs and kisses, and farewell my dear.

On October 03 2013 01:43 shell wrote:
Yes but what has happened in Europe is USA's fault especially since:

- suprime crisis was a USA Problem
- USA's financial system benefited from selling these funds to euro countrys, banks by means of corruption and other less ethical methods (OUR FAULT TOO, WE KNOW, our politicians suck and need votes to stay in power)
- USA's Financial raiting companys attacking our countrys and lowering their ratings to less the garbage while usa STOPS services for lack of money and didn't even go down a bit..

Why do we still remain allies is something that beats me..

PS: not a rant againt USA people or the country, just your politicians, evil companys(exxon, JP morgan, Monsanto etc..) and the ever powerfull lobyists! Travel to europe and see how he live here, you will like some of the stuff we have, for free and for everybody!

On October 03 2013 01:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

Europe's banking system was and still is way over leveraged with too many bad loans on the books. Can't blame that on the US. Can't blame the US for Europe's housing bubbles or government borrowing sprees either.

And special thanks to Ireland and the Netherlands for creating tax havens for multinationals. It's been 'really helpful' for our tax collections.

On October 03 2013 02:03 mahrgell wrote:


You forget to mention certain southern European countries faking their national reports over years to become part of the Euro...

On October 02 2013 23:45 Velr wrote:
In the US maybe.. Outside of it? I highly doubt it... Your whole country allready is the laughing stock of the people in countries with functioning political systems... If not for the fact that you could actually pull the world economy down with you thats all there is, people over here in europe are dazzled by the sheer stupidity and childish behaviour of your politicians and general stupidity of the political "game" in your country...

Oh and for the blame game... That answer is incredibly easy, it will be the "USA"... not Dems or Reps, not politicians or the president.. Just ALL of you guys. You are on the way of sinking the world economy and instead of starting to swim your still playing an incredibly silly blamegame...

On October 03 2013 00:21 Terrestrialrage wrote:
The shutdown is a direct result of Conservative Extremists?

I would say the shutdown is a result of wide-reaching, unforeseen negative effects of the ACA and Republicans are standing their ground on what most Republicans and Conservatives would agree is a massive overreach of the government. Whether it is or not is not for this topic, but as a political Conservative myself, I'd say just fund it for now and see what happens. If it works, great, we get a good healthcare bill. If it doesn't work, we landslide the 2016 election and repeal it then. Either way, the shutdown was inevitable as a split House in this day and age of political pandering will never get anything passed that strays from center. The shutdown is everyone's fault.

On October 03 2013 02:10 overt wrote:


I really think the GOP shares a much larger burden when it comes to the shut down. ACA passed, it went to court and the very Conservative Supreme Court found it constitutional, and yet some elements of the GOP were happy to shut down the government to avoid having it go into effect.

Sure, both parties share some blame because the Democrats could've caved and compromised with them. But as an American who is really fed up with the Tea Party I am glad that the Democrats have stopped compromising for once. Also, while a Republican president is very likely in the 2016 election the likelihood of a Republican Senate and House seems less likely. What seems even more unlikely is that they would overturn the ACA after it had been in effect for two+ years already (and let's be honest the reason they're fighting so hard to delay it is because they know once it goes into effect they won't be able to just over turn it and take away healthcare from people).