EPTIPCC: Humans are primary cause of Climate Change - Page 2
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Squat
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sekritzzz
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Pandemona
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On September 28 2013 00:42 Myles wrote: Adjusted thread title Still think that is wrong ^_^ I think the proper title should be like what i said in my reply, "Humans CONTRIBUTE to Climate Change" The report is very different depending where you read it from, and the other sites basically read it as "they attribute" to climate change. So i think just Attribute/Contribute should be title. | ||
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Yurie
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On September 28 2013 00:47 sekritzzz wrote: edit, removed previous comment on subject: What the hell? I guess I need to be "scientifically literate" to talk on this subject without most people getting banned/mocked. Some comments might be misinformed but outright bans? I guess i'll leave this conversation to more "scientifically literate" people for them to discuss amongst themselves whilst 99% of the population gets along with this life. ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Ice_Age_Temperature.png) This picture from wikipedia shows the temperature variations over a large time period. The report this topic is about says we can expect 8 degrees in 200-300 years. On top of the already hot average temperature. Meaning we go outside the previous scale. Edit, was meant for the previous post of sekritzzz before he edited it away. | ||
Myles
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Squat
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This is not just about us, it's about life on this planet. We are its temporary custodians, and if we destroy it, we ruin the possibility of any potential intelligent life in the future. It's like some woman on nature world said; When our descendants look back on us, will they remember us as one of the great apes, or just that greedy ape. What the hell? I guess I need to be "scientifically literate" to talk on this subject without most people getting banned/mocked. Some comments might be misinformed but outright bans? I guess i'll leave this conversation to more "scientifically literate" people for them to discuss amongst themselves whilst 99% of the population gets along with this life. Because it's a part of the problem, uninformed opinions in reality do little but muddle and dilute the conversation. Contrary to popular opinion, there are not two sides to every coin. In science, more often than not, someone is right and someone is wrong. I don't offer my take on how to perform an open heart surgery, because it would be worthless, because I don't know nearly enough. | ||
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Myles
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Pandemona
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On September 28 2013 01:00 Myles wrote: We're not going to end life life on earth or the potential for future intelligent life. If multiple asteroid impacts causing years of blackness didn't end life, climate change certainly isn't. Life will adapt just fine, even people. Civilization is the thing that will be fucked. Adaptations of a water filled earth would be interesting though? I mean with floods and sea levels rising, underwater living could be a future? All be it right now a really far away one, but that is the only way you adapt to less land space? | ||
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Squat
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Myles
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On September 28 2013 01:03 Pandemona wrote: Adaptations of a water filled earth would be interesting though? I mean with floods and sea levels rising, underwater living could be a future? All be it right now a really far away one, but that is the only way you adapt to less land space? That would cool, sure. But it will have to come after the recourse wars. edit: To clarify, I think it's highly likely that if we start having actual coastal flooding that land pressure combined with increase cost of doing everything will lead to increased violence and potentially major wars so that countries can continue living the lifestyle they are accustomed to. | ||
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crazyweasel
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for those who still don't "believe" (cause frankly its fact proven) in 2013 that climatic changes are cause by human activity, its time to stick your head out of your legs. YES glaciation and climate change go through cycles, yet human activity has accelerated the process of general world heating that should have happened years and years later. What is sure to happen, though, as we've "seen"(via studies), is that in the previous heating phase there has been a general disparition of SPECIES. We can safely conclude that when we reach the 3 more degrees(in term of ocean temperature) required : we will die, with most of the species. And the left species, most likely to be insects/bacterias/and small organisms who can adapt to much larger environment changes quicker will eat and clean our dead remains so we can return to the earth, | ||
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crazyweasel
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On September 28 2013 01:00 Myles wrote: We're not going to end life life on earth or the potential for future intelligent life. If multiple asteroid impacts causing years of blackness didn't end life, climate change certainly isn't. Life will adapt just fine, even people. Civilization is the thing that will be fucked. no we're acutally going to die my man. like most species did in the last climate cyclic phase. | ||
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Myles
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On September 28 2013 01:09 crazyweasel wrote: no we're acutally going to die my man. like most species did in the last climate cyclic phase. I'm not sure what you mean exactly by 'last climate cyclic phase', but we've made it through a number of ice ages and larger changes in temp before. The entire world isn't going to turn into a desert. | ||
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IgnE
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On September 28 2013 01:03 Pandemona wrote: Adaptations of a water filled earth would be interesting though? I mean with floods and sea levels rising, underwater living could be a future? All be it right now a really far away one, but that is the only way you adapt to less land space? Surely you've seen _Waterworld_ with Kevin Costner. Made in 1995, it was one of the first films to tackle climate change in a sci-fi setting. It sets up a panoramic landscape in which the world is now covered in water, and the realistic ways that civilization might adapt. | ||
Kipsate
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On September 28 2013 00:05 synapse wrote: "climate change" is indeed a bit of a misnomer; the accelerated change in weather patterns, temperatures, sea levels etc. would obviously count as "climate change" but comprise of something far more serious than the normal climate fluctuations that have occurred over the last few million years. why would ocean current matter if global warming is occurring on a global scale? (and besides, it's the surface temperature that matters since it directly contributes to precipitation / melting of glaciers / etc) Sea temprature actually does matter a ton because the warmer the water, the larger the molucules are and thus the water volume and sea level rises. Rising sea levels can cause all sorts of problems. | ||
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IgnE
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On September 28 2013 01:20 Kipsate wrote: Sea temprature actually does matter a ton because the warmer the water, the larger the molucules are and thus the water volume and sea level rises. Rising sea levels can cause all sorts of problems. What the fuck are you smoking man? "The larger the molecules are"? Water volume actually changes very little as a function of temperature. Less than 0.01% per Kelvin. Water level is rising because of melting ice. | ||
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Ettick
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On September 28 2013 01:20 Kipsate wrote: Sea temprature actually does matter a ton because the warmer the water, the larger the molucules are and thus the water volume and sea level rises. Rising sea levels can cause all sorts of problems. Read this, higher temperature doesn't actually have any effect on the size of the molecules, it pretty much means they're moving around more so they have more space in between them on average. On topic: I think that this is not exactly good news, it means that we'll have to find and use alternative means of producing energy, which will be a very costly process. | ||
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radiatoren
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On September 28 2013 01:20 Kipsate wrote: Sea temprature actually does matter a ton because the warmer the water, the larger the molucules are and thus the water volume and sea level rises. Rising sea levels can cause all sorts of problems. I would think that the melting of glaciers dwarves any molecular effects when it comes to rising water and afaik it is not the molecules expanding as much as them moving more. The question on deep ocean is not too bad. The answer is 1. deep pcean is an energysink and thus "filling" it will accelerate other effects of the extra energy in the system 2. deep ocean and surface waters do mix to some degree. The hundreds of years are likely more of a statistical probability for a molecule to circulate, but the question has to be a little more specific to be answered more specifically. | ||
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Yurie
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On September 28 2013 01:24 IgnE wrote: What the fuck are you smoking man? "The larger the molecules are"? Water volume actually changes very little as a function of temperature. Less than 0.01% per Kelvin. Water level is rising because of melting ice. It is above 0.02% per Kelvin around the 20 C mark. The variation is smaller closer to 4 C though, which is where you are right. Considering some ocean surfaces go toward 30 C the variation is even larger in some places. An increase in volume of all the water by 0.01% is still a MAJOR deal... | ||
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Myles
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