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Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
October 02 2013 08:00 GMT
#361
Holy shit at the first two pages rofl. I don't think I've seen such a concentrated thread injection of retarded posts by people who didn't read the study.

"uhhh no"
"scientists aren't smart"

These aren't arguments. Like common TL, we used to be better than this.
FluffyBinLaden
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States527 Posts
October 03 2013 16:34 GMT
#362
I don't know if this was mentioned (if so I didn't see it) but the full report has now been made available, for those who don't just want to read a summary.
Riddles in the Dark. Answers in the Light.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
December 24 2013 17:22 GMT
#363
This is the most recently bumped thread concerning climate change, so.... Figured I'd post this little set of FunFactz here rather than shit out an entire new thread:

PHILADELPHIA, December 20, 2013
A new study conducted by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert J. Brulle, PhD, exposes the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the powerful climate change countermovement. This study marks the first peer-reviewed, comprehensive analysis ever conducted of the sources of funding that maintain the denial effort.

Through an analysis of the financial structure of the organizations that constitute the core of the countermovement and their sources of monetary support, Brulle found that, while the largest and most consistent funders behind the countermovement are a number of well-known conservative foundations, the majority of donations are “dark money,” or concealed funding.

The data also indicates that Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, two of the largest supporters of climate science denial, have recently pulled back from publicly funding countermovement organizations. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to countermovement organizations through third party pass-through foundations like Donors Trust and Donors Capital, whose funders cannot be traced, has risen dramatically.

Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science in Drexel’s College of Arts and Sciences, conducted the study during a year-long fellowship at Stanford University’s Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences. The study was published today in Climatic Change, one of the top 10 climate science journals in the world.

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http://www.drexel.edu/now/news-media/releases/archive/2013/December/Climate-Change/

Not terribly surprising. Thought it was funny that Koch + Exxon are wary of their intellectually embarrassing positions
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 18:12:55
December 24 2013 17:43 GMT
#364
On September 27 2013 22:56 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
Key Metrics Characterizing Anthropogenic Climate Change
Equilibrium climate sensitivity is likely in the range 2°C–4.5°C, and very likely above 1.5°C. The most likely value is near 3°C. Equilibrium climate sensitivity greater than about 6°C–7°C is very unlikely. The total amount of anthropogenic emissions of long-lived greenhouse gases largely determines the warming in the 21st century. The global mean warming per 1000 PgC is very likely between 0.8°C–3°C.

This is the only part that sounds like bullshit to me, TBH. I've read plenty of literature from both the IPCC and dissenting climatologists, and as far as I can tell the 3°C sensitivity figure is a fairly dramatic exaggeration (or miscalculation, or outright lie depending on what you ascribe the motive to); in fact, I'd be surprised if the net feedback effect is positive at all.

That said, people who deny any man-made warming whatsoever are either ignorant, misinformed or liars; of this we should all agree by now.
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Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 18:27:07
December 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#365
With the dominance of cars and the numerous industries we have in developped countries you can be sure we polute more (emit more green house gases) than before (1800-1950) in developped countries.
If you add to that the other developping countries like China or India which don't give two shits about nature preservation, it's certain that we polute more today than during the first and second industrial revolution (1800-1914).

Yes you can argue that we ain't sure that humans are the primary causes of global warming, so we shouldn't believe this theory but then you are just being a stupid doubter, everything in Science is based on suppositions and the theory of pole changes seem way less solid and extemely suspicious (if we follow that theory, we should be in a period of constant change of polarity that should last between 1000-10k yrs, and sorry but my compass still works) in comparison to studies on human role in the state of the planet.

To me this climate change denial is the same as the genocides denial, creationism, you can't argue with people about that because even if everything tends to prove that they are wrong, they have the support of some pseudo science and history stuides. Studies that are often funded by people who want to keep their interests (be it political, influencial or commercial).

Aside from that the numbers of the supposed increase in temperature seem a little high and the post about the fundings from FallDownMarigold totally prove my point: these studies were funded by these industrials and indivuduals who have interests in not changing anything in their customs, they don't give two shit about the planet so trusting studies made by them is completely retarded.
Amaroq64
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-27 09:11:50
December 27 2013 09:04 GMT
#366
On December 25 2013 02:22 FallDownMarigold wrote:
This is the most recently bumped thread concerning climate change, so.... Figured I'd post this little set of FunFactz here rather than shit out an entire new thread:
Show nested quote +

PHILADELPHIA, December 20, 2013
A new study conducted by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert J. Brulle, PhD, exposes the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the powerful climate change countermovement. This study marks the first peer-reviewed, comprehensive analysis ever conducted of the sources of funding that maintain the denial effort.

Through an analysis of the financial structure of the organizations that constitute the core of the countermovement and their sources of monetary support, Brulle found that, while the largest and most consistent funders behind the countermovement are a number of well-known conservative foundations, the majority of donations are “dark money,” or concealed funding.

The data also indicates that Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, two of the largest supporters of climate science denial, have recently pulled back from publicly funding countermovement organizations. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to countermovement organizations through third party pass-through foundations like Donors Trust and Donors Capital, whose funders cannot be traced, has risen dramatically.

Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science in Drexel’s College of Arts and Sciences, conducted the study during a year-long fellowship at Stanford University’s Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences. The study was published today in Climatic Change, one of the top 10 climate science journals in the world.

[Big-ass images about the funding of "denial".]
http://www.drexel.edu/now/news-media/releases/archive/2013/December/Climate-Change/

Not terribly surprising. Thought it was funny that Koch + Exxon are wary of their intellectually embarrassing positions


Right-wingers fund global warming denial, and Left-wingers fund global warming alarmism. What else is new?

All of this hubbub about humans affecting global warming is for a political purpose. Right-wingers want to leave us alone in the economy and control what we do in the bedroom, and Left-wingers want to leave us alone in the bedroom and control what we do in the economy.

That's what all of this is implying. That human economic action needs to be restrained in order to "save the planet". But you know what the real solution is?

Leave the market free so creative/inventive people can come up with solutions to whatever global changes we may or may not be facing. What's the solution to polution, you may ask? Individual rights. Primarily your right to life and right to property. If someone poisons your land, water, or your body, take them to court. That's the free-market solution to pollution.

If green energy is so great, let it compete on the free market. Get both left-wing and right-wing political influence out of the market so that the best man truly wins. Then innovation can happen and things can change for the better. We humans have come this far. Americans from the shirts on our backs to the industrial revolution to the sprawling, technologically advanced society we have today, thanks to Capitalism. Just let that work and you'll see whatever innovations we need.
A is A.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 27 2013 09:49 GMT
#367
On December 27 2013 18:04 Amaroq64 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 02:22 FallDownMarigold wrote:
This is the most recently bumped thread concerning climate change, so.... Figured I'd post this little set of FunFactz here rather than shit out an entire new thread:

PHILADELPHIA, December 20, 2013
A new study conducted by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert J. Brulle, PhD, exposes the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the powerful climate change countermovement. This study marks the first peer-reviewed, comprehensive analysis ever conducted of the sources of funding that maintain the denial effort.

Through an analysis of the financial structure of the organizations that constitute the core of the countermovement and their sources of monetary support, Brulle found that, while the largest and most consistent funders behind the countermovement are a number of well-known conservative foundations, the majority of donations are “dark money,” or concealed funding.

The data also indicates that Koch Industries and ExxonMobil, two of the largest supporters of climate science denial, have recently pulled back from publicly funding countermovement organizations. Coinciding with the decline in traceable funding, the amount of funding given to countermovement organizations through third party pass-through foundations like Donors Trust and Donors Capital, whose funders cannot be traced, has risen dramatically.

Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science in Drexel’s College of Arts and Sciences, conducted the study during a year-long fellowship at Stanford University’s Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences. The study was published today in Climatic Change, one of the top 10 climate science journals in the world.

[Big-ass images about the funding of "denial".]
http://www.drexel.edu/now/news-media/releases/archive/2013/December/Climate-Change/

Not terribly surprising. Thought it was funny that Koch + Exxon are wary of their intellectually embarrassing positions


Right-wingers fund global warming denial, and Left-wingers fund global warming alarmism. What else is new?

All of this hubbub about humans affecting global warming is for a political purpose. Right-wingers want to leave us alone in the economy and control what we do in the bedroom, and Left-wingers want to leave us alone in the bedroom and control what we do in the economy.

That's what all of this is implying. That human economic action needs to be restrained in order to "save the planet". But you know what the real solution is?

Leave the market free so creative/inventive people can come up with solutions to whatever global changes we may or may not be facing. What's the solution to polution, you may ask? Individual rights. Primarily your right to life and right to property. If someone poisons your land, water, or your body, take them to court. That's the free-market solution to pollution.

If green energy is so great, let it compete on the free market. Get both left-wing and right-wing political influence out of the market so that the best man truly wins. Then innovation can happen and things can change for the better. We humans have come this far. Americans from the shirts on our backs to the industrial revolution to the sprawling, technologically advanced society we have today, thanks to Capitalism. Just let that work and you'll see whatever innovations we need.


10/10 troll post.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
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