EPTBlizzard is hiring for Blizzard All-Stars U.S. - Page 2
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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TimKim0713
Korea (South)221 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On September 26 2013 13:00 Mentalizor wrote: Considering Blizzard All-starts was announced in 2010 (right?) as what seemed to just be pretty much a UMS in SC2, I thought they had dropped the idea. Because with primarely LoL and Dota - but still also HoN - this market seems to be a hard one to crack. I play Dota2, and ofc I'll give All-stars a shot... But I can't see them cracking the market here They were originally planning to have an SC2 dota, scrapped the idea for the blizzard all stars, had some issues with the name trademark, and largely benched the idea due to all the current MOBA games coming out and taking over most of the market. HoN, LoL, and Dota 2 being the largest. That being said, I assume this game won't be coming out for at least 2 years when those games popularity starts to dwindle so blizzard can cash in on the people who got bored of the other games, but still like the genre. This correlates with their currents time frame of projects; Diablo expansion(s), hearthstone, the final sc2 exp, and who knows whats going on with 'Titan'. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
That said, I'll give it a try when it comes out, probably. | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
On September 26 2013 12:57 Talack wrote: Why are they wasting money on this.... LoL and DOTA2 are already well established and have ENORMOUS market shares. This is a waste of time on a project that's going to die off extremely quickly if it ever gets going at all. Well, you know, Blizzard doesn't have a sense of the market at all, continually wasting money on projects that could never possibly become successes. I remember back in the day when they wasted a lot of money and manpower on a WarCraft-themed project that was doomed to fail, trying to break into a new genre that you couldn't possibly break into. There was a couple of really well established games in that genre as well, one of them having an economy the same size as Russia's, iirc. Like, total dominance. Then, two years into that games' dominance, Blizzard announced that they're going to make a WC3-spinoff game in the genre. They had some good ideas, though, so maybe, maybe if the game was good to go at the announcement, they might have been able to grab some marketshares, but in true Blizzard tradition, they kept postponing, postponing and post-fricking-poning it forever, so that there were actually competitors making clones of the game even before it was released. It was an economic and PR-related nightmare to watch and they're all just probably trying to forget it or possibly actively repress the memory of their biggest failure to date. But if you dig back into the dusty bins of the internet, you may find mention of a game named World of WarCraft in a footnote in some history of MMO's article. Edit: + Show Spoiler + The other game was of course EverQuest, which had the world's 77th largest economy at one point. It was released in 1999, and WoW went from announcement in 2001 to release in 2004 | ||
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ReactoR
Sweden72 Posts
It could also make a good platform for Blizzard to test out the f2p model. Seems pretty likely that Allstars will be a free game and that could pave the way for WoW and maybe even SC2 eventually. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
It's not the "story" of the heroes in those games that draw players too them, and I have a hard time imagining a blizzard dota becoming profitable off of it solely using it's blizzard characters to draw people in. Fans of LoL/dota2 are far more concerned with game mechanics and aesthetics than back story. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On September 26 2013 15:31 DonKey_ wrote: I think people in this thread are overestimating how much a LoL/dota2 player would value blizzard characters as heroes. It's not the "story" of the heroes in those games that draw players too them, and I have a hard time imagining a blizzard dota becoming profitable off of it solely using it's blizzard characters to draw people in. Fans of LoL/dota2 are far more concerned with game mechanics and aesthetics than back story. I was actually thinking something similar, that MOBA fans are probably younger than those that might have nostalgia for the aging Blizzard IP characters. I'm sure Blizzard has their marketing and demographics aids to tell them one way or another though. | ||
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NervO
Netherlands511 Posts
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Blargh
United States2104 Posts
I admit I was skeptical of Hearthstone. And it turns out, it actually does suck as much as I thought it did! The game is horribly designed, and so much more so than SC2, relies on chance. MTG has much more depth than HS, which helps to even out it's dice-heavy mechanic. Scrolls (Mojang's online card battle game w/e) has a tad more depth, but is pretty similar to that of Hearthstone. Now, despite the game being pretty bad, tons of people are interested and want to play it. And because people are interested, more people get the idea that it's fun and awesome and then THEY want to play it. But, I think one of the key factors that helped Hearthstone out here was that it was made by Blizzard. It's not significant because specifically Blizzard made the game, it's significant because Blizzard is an online-computer game company with a reputation in video games. Wizards of the Coast are a bunch of fantasy roll-playing guys. There's a considerable difference between the two companies and the user-base of each. But when comparing Blizz to Riot/Valve, they are just another computer game company; just another fish. They have the exact same user-base and have heavy overlap in community. People aren't going to spontaneously be interested in a game that they normally wouldn't be interested in because they are the exact same. If Apple made a new car, there'd be SO MUCH SPONTANEOUS HYPE around that vehicle. It'd be insane, even if the thing was a total piece of shit. Eventually, when the car came out, people would just find out it was a total piece of shit (or they would lie to themselves and pretend it wasn't a total piece of shit like they do with all other Apple products). Blizzard's All-Stars game will have to be amazing, or at least have something incredibly well-done for any LoL/Dota 2 players to actually convert over. Will Blizzard come out ahead with this thing? Probably, but they would have been better off investing in something that hasn't been completely dominated yet. This post might not have direct relevance to the OP/topic, but it's such a good one that it needed to be posted. Also 666th post. So it's obviously a good one. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
Come on guys, who can resist characters like Kerrigan, Thrall, Tyrael, Zeratul, Nova, Lich King, Sylvanas, Illidan and much more!! | ||
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IIDawnII
Australia10 Posts
Hire and throw money at some of those cats on the indy market and keep the ball rolling. We don't go to the moon anymore and it's our generation to blame. Regardless, any 'moba' is just a poor copy of a brilliant little custom w3 game from the 90s. LoL has a fanbase because of smart marketing, social awareness and cool art. And now a poem If this game sees the light of day; many will play; few will stay. The future looks gray. LoL is gay. | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
On September 26 2013 15:26 screamingpalm wrote: It's amazing to me how long they've been able to ride out the successes of the past. I keep thinking it will dry up, but they continue to make them monies. Their franchise make their profits a bit higher than regular AAA games, but quality-wise their games are fine. It doesn't seem like they're making money out of thin air. Although they could do a better job with SC2 and D3. Can't blame them really, you can't expect someone to make legendary games forever. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On September 26 2013 15:26 screamingpalm wrote: It's amazing to me how long they've been able to ride out the successes of the past. I keep thinking it will dry up, but they continue to make them monies. My fear is that they deliver another half done game and just go for the $$. Plz resist Blizz! | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On September 26 2013 16:23 papaz wrote: Blizzard is going to crush LoL and Dota2 (ok maybe not Dota2 client). Come on guys, who can resist characters like Kerrigan, Thrall, Tyrael, Zeratul, Nova, Lich King, Sylvanas, Illidan and much more!! I couldn't resist each of them individually, but as an ensemble I can very well. | ||
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