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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 08:05:11
November 21 2014 08:03 GMT
#1261
By the way, any openings you guys recommend for a 1600-1700 rated player? I feel like my endgame tactics are above my skill level, but it's usually the openings where I get behind, partly due to not having good fundamentals in strategy, and partly due struggling analyzing positions with many pieces.

I'd like to have two-three solid openings as white that are suited to my level of play (or slightly higher), so probably 1-2 e4 openings, and 1-2 d4 openings. Currently I either open up (1) e4 -> Nf3 -> Ruy Lopez if possible, otherwise I just try to push my pawns up to control the center, or I do a Queen's Gambit, which has been working really well for me (it's declined 90% of the time), but it allows me to play really aggressive and allows lots of tactical opportunity.

And I'd like to have openings to play as black, which lead to interesting positions where I have opportunities to punish and play aggressive if need be. Ideally 2 to play against e4 (I'm still trying to play d5, but holy, that leads to some crazy complicated lines), and I don't really like playing e4, since then either I'm usually forced into a Ruy Lopez or going d6, which feels quite defensive and too passive and drawish. Hence my choosing of the Sicilian, but I don't play it well since there is so many variations to consider. Currently against d4 I tend to play the Indian defence, but I am often not able to break the center, I get my pieces stuck, and I slowly die.
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wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 21 2014 08:39 GMT
#1262
@FiWiFaKi - Queen's Gambit is a great opening to practice your strategical play because there are many non-forcing plans for both sides out of it. For 1. e4, Ruy Lopez usually requires tons of memorization, but there are so many answers for Black that you have to pretty much be prepared for French, Petroff, Sicilian, Caro-Kann, hell, even Scandinavian...

With Black, if you want a crazy fight against 1. e4, just play the Najdorf Sicilian or Modern Defense (1...d6 2...g6) and King's Indian against 1. d4. But you have to be prepared that White can always play more boring lines in all of these (or, in case of Najdorf, White can just refuse to go for it completely).
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2014 10:55 GMT
#1263
yeah White can always make games dull. Like Carlsen's g3 against Anand's Sicilian, for example.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2014 12:02 GMT
#1264
ooh Grunfeld Russian system. My repertoire tells me to go 7...Nc6, and 7...a6 is pretty mainliney, I don't know 7...Na6 though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 21 2014 12:19 GMT
#1265
On November 21 2014 19:55 marvellosity wrote:
yeah White can always make games dull. Like Carlsen's g3 against Anand's Sicilian, for example.


The problem is that many "interesting" lines require a ton of preparation. Or are plain bad like many gambit lines in e4 e5. I guess there's some leeway with white, after all it doesn't really matter if your opponent equalizes in the Marshall, the Ng5 two knights or some kind of modern italian or anti-marshall. I still feel like the most boring options (that is the last two) are also the best though. You get to play a subjectively easier position with little to no preparation. And the game can still get interesting later on.

I use the same approach with black: the Sicilian might look more interesting but the cost is just too damn high. It turns out anything after e4 e5, except the main line Spanish, is easy to handle with relatively little preparation.

I no longer see the point in going for sharp play with black, directly out of the opening. It's not so much that I expect to be outprepared in a blitz game. It's that I'd rather spend the time solving tactics or playing another game than looking at openings.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2014 12:26 GMT
#1266
yeah, when I was still playing 1.e4 I used to play some anti-marshall that i knew only a couple moves deep at most.

I enjoy the Sicilian though. I think people overestimate how well other people know openings a lot of the time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 12:51:24
November 21 2014 12:49 GMT
#1267
I used to play both the Sveshnikov and the Najdorf for a while when I played live and got more good positions than bad ones. I rarely even got to play critical lines. This was against opponents rated from 1800 to 2100. But I spent more time studying the opening than it was worth and if someone had decided to go for a main line english attack (or really any main line) I would have been in trouble very quick.

The Sveshnikov was more forgiving and I wouldn't mind playing it once in a while again. It can lead to really interesting positions if your opponent doesn't know what they're doing or if they are itching for a fight themselves. Unfortunately some of the modern approaches with Nd5 first are passive and quite difficult for black.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 12:55:08
November 21 2014 12:52 GMT
#1268
that's the thing though, hardly anyone knows the really sharp, long mainlines. I've played the Najdorf with ...e6 in many games, and never once faced one of the "critical" lines.

edit: i would add that i enjoy the positions that result from a strategic point of view.

edit 2: and yes, about 1800-2200 for me too. I guess it gets different as you get higher, but I aint there (yet)
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2014 12:56 GMT
#1269
Anand's positions looks quite promising...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
November 21 2014 12:57 GMT
#1270
Watching analysis @http://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 21 2014 12:59 GMT
#1271
It is the kind of position Vishy needs

very sharp
Zerg for Life
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
November 21 2014 13:04 GMT
#1272
the frickin stream is freezing every 30 secs or so , is there any way to fix that?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 21 2014 13:28 GMT
#1273
magnus moving pretty fast again
Zerg for Life
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
November 21 2014 13:34 GMT
#1274
Anand has excellent chances in this position.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
November 21 2014 13:40 GMT
#1275
On November 21 2014 22:04 Nyxisto wrote:
the frickin stream is freezing every 30 secs or so , is there any way to fix that?

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I can watch a short time but then it starts to "load" again.
maybe it's because livestream doesn't like germans?
btw: vodafone here.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
November 21 2014 13:45 GMT
#1276
I'm watching it here: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/worldChampionship2014/10/1/1

Works splendidly for me.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 21 2014 13:47 GMT
#1277
which stream? the official livestream with svidler is not freezing at all for me (watching it via chess24.com)

and for computeranalysis there is always: http://analysis.sesse.net/
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 13:53:19
November 21 2014 13:52 GMT
#1278
On November 21 2014 22:47 mahrgell wrote:
which stream? the official livestream with svidler is not freezing at all for me (watching it via chess24.com)

and for computeranalysis there is always: http://analysis.sesse.net/

so it's not the country. what's your ISP?
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 21 2014 13:53 GMT
#1279
Kabel Deutschland
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 14:05:22
November 21 2014 14:02 GMT
#1280
Seems to be some kind of local thing (Telekom here), some other people around here seem to have problems, too.

Also later today http://www.uschesschamps.com/ Nakamura will play Aronian in a set of four games and 16 blitz games over the course of 5 days for 100k (split 60/40), it's probably going to be pretty cool

edit: also fun blitz match between Seirawan and Aronian

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