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On June 24 2016 05:25 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 04:49 Melliflue wrote:On June 24 2016 04:06 Espers wrote:
They didn't ask for ID, seems a bit dumb. I think the problem with requiring ID is that not everybody has an ID. I didn't get a passport until I was 21 and I don't have a driving licence. I don't drink alcohol so I never needed to worry about needing ID for that either. I would have had to get a form of ID purely to vote. Moreover, people struggling for money - who cannot afford a car or to go abroad so have no form of ID - may choose to save money by not voting. This is something that I never understood about US and UK (maybe other states do it too). You claim to be greatest democracies ever, but you have people that don't have ID cards. And people are allowed to vote without identifying themselves. Here in Bulgaria the state gave me an ID card free of charge, as soon as I turned 18. Currently you can have your first ID card, as soon as you turn 14. Many other countries do it too Why doesn't the government just give you the ID cards for free ? I mean, it's pretty important document for every citizen... How do you identify yourself in a bank office without an ID card ? How do you sign an employment contract without it ?
You don't need an ID card because it doesn't exist. To prove your identity, usually various documents can be used such as birth certificates or passports and drivers license being the most accepted, though I suppose there are the disadvantages of careless/stupid guardians simply losing your important documents. For the most part your passport or drivers license is used as your ID. I've never actually met a person in the UK who ever had difficulty proving their identity, but then again I don't move in a social circle where I have ever met people so poor that they can't afford one. The reasons for not having an ID card is that traditionally speaking UK is more liberal than the rest of continental Europe, though a few years ago there was some sort of scheme for an national ID card probably because of "terrorism", but I don't know what happened to that idea.
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On June 24 2016 05:25 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 04:49 Melliflue wrote:On June 24 2016 04:06 Espers wrote:
They didn't ask for ID, seems a bit dumb. I think the problem with requiring ID is that not everybody has an ID. I didn't get a passport until I was 21 and I don't have a driving licence. I don't drink alcohol so I never needed to worry about needing ID for that either. I would have had to get a form of ID purely to vote. Moreover, people struggling for money - who cannot afford a car or to go abroad so have no form of ID - may choose to save money by not voting. This is something that I never understood about US and UK (maybe other states do it too). You claim to be greatest democracies ever, but you have people that don't have ID cards. And people are allowed to vote without identifying themselves. Here in Bulgaria the state gave me an ID card free of charge, as soon as I turned 18. Currently you can have your first ID card, as soon as you turn 14. Many other countries do it too Why doesn't the government just give you the ID cards for free ? I mean, it's pretty important document for every citizen... How do you identify yourself in a bank office without an ID card ? How do you sign an employment contract without it ?
Funnily enough, I got my first ID at 15. I needed it to be able to take the First Certificate in English Cambridge Exam.
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Zurich15366 Posts
On June 24 2016 05:34 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 05:25 Pr0wler wrote:On June 24 2016 04:49 Melliflue wrote:On June 24 2016 04:06 Espers wrote:
They didn't ask for ID, seems a bit dumb. I think the problem with requiring ID is that not everybody has an ID. I didn't get a passport until I was 21 and I don't have a driving licence. I don't drink alcohol so I never needed to worry about needing ID for that either. I would have had to get a form of ID purely to vote. Moreover, people struggling for money - who cannot afford a car or to go abroad so have no form of ID - may choose to save money by not voting. This is something that I never understood about US and UK (maybe other states do it too). You claim to be greatest democracies ever, but you have people that don't have ID cards. And people are allowed to vote without identifying themselves. Here in Bulgaria the state gave me an ID card free of charge, as soon as I turned 18. Currently you can have your first ID card, as soon as you turn 14. Many other countries do it too Why doesn't the government just give you the ID cards for free ? I mean, it's pretty important document for every citizen... How do you identify yourself in a bank office without an ID card ? How do you sign an employment contract without it ? Government IDs are disliked due to the information the government would then have on its people without anyone having a choice but to surrender it.
That's pretty hilarious coming from someone from Airstrip One hahahaha.
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Well the AP are calling it already but...
Almost certain to the wire, I wouldn't be surprised if things didn't fully hash out until 5am instead of the 3/330am that the FT/Sky/etc have called.
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I'd rather you all just wait for the 6 hours or so for the results to be announced. A near 50-50 split no matter the poll simply means that the results can go either way when it is tallied up. What worries me is that at such voter proportions is that there will not be a clear democratic mandate for either result.
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It would be so fucking funny seeing conservators and far right wing weakened a ultra liberal and technocratic institution like eu. :D
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On June 24 2016 06:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I'd rather you all just wait for the 6 hours or so for the results to be announced. A near 50-50 split no matter the poll simply means that the results can go either way when it is tallied up. What worries me is that at such voter proportions is that there will not be a clear democratic mandate for either result.
I agree, but once financial institutions start acting on the information their hands forced. As long as the polls are closed, reporters need to file their stories when people are receiving the information through other sources.
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United States44367 Posts
This is the ideal result for Cameron. He has a clear mandate to tell the EU the British people are unhappy and want some concessions while at the same time not having to take them out of the EU. From here on it's just salesmanship.
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On June 24 2016 06:57 KwarK wrote:
This is the ideal result for Cameron. He has a clear mandate to tell the EU the British people are unhappy and want some concessions while at the same time not having to take them out of the EU. From here on it's just salesmanship.
You mean more concessions. Lets be real, the UK gets a better deal than any other country in the EU, is always "the special snowflake". I really don't think that the EU is willing to go even further.
I sincerely hope they leave. Better in the long run for everyone (including the EU - try selling even more concessions to the UK to poland, spain, italy and consorts).
That being said, looneys already out in full force calling it rigged. Funny to follow.
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On June 24 2016 07:11 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 06:57 KwarK wrote:
This is the ideal result for Cameron. He has a clear mandate to tell the EU the British people are unhappy and want some concessions while at the same time not having to take them out of the EU. From here on it's just salesmanship. You mean more concessions. Lets be real, the UK gets a better deal than any other country in the EU, is always "the special snowflake". I really don't think that the EU is willing to go even further. I sincerely hope they leave. Better in the long run for everyone (including the EU - try selling even more concessions to the UK to poland, spain, italy and consorts). That being said, looneys already out in full force calling it rigged. Funny to follow.
That is the part I expect to see a lot of. I hope for everyone that it is only a bunch of comical complaining and conspiracy theories.
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
On June 24 2016 07:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 07:11 m4ini wrote:On June 24 2016 06:57 KwarK wrote:
This is the ideal result for Cameron. He has a clear mandate to tell the EU the British people are unhappy and want some concessions while at the same time not having to take them out of the EU. From here on it's just salesmanship. You mean more concessions. Lets be real, the UK gets a better deal than any other country in the EU, is always "the special snowflake". I really don't think that the EU is willing to go even further. I sincerely hope they leave. Better in the long run for everyone (including the EU - try selling even more concessions to the UK to poland, spain, italy and consorts). That being said, looneys already out in full force calling it rigged. Funny to follow. That is the part I expect to see a lot of. I hope for everyone that it is only a bunch of comical complaining and conspiracy theories.
I don't know how they will top the conspiracy theory going around earlier that polling booths had pencils so the government/MI5 could rub out leave voters crosses on the ballots.
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On June 24 2016 07:20 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2016 07:15 Plansix wrote:On June 24 2016 07:11 m4ini wrote:On June 24 2016 06:57 KwarK wrote:
This is the ideal result for Cameron. He has a clear mandate to tell the EU the British people are unhappy and want some concessions while at the same time not having to take them out of the EU. From here on it's just salesmanship. You mean more concessions. Lets be real, the UK gets a better deal than any other country in the EU, is always "the special snowflake". I really don't think that the EU is willing to go even further. I sincerely hope they leave. Better in the long run for everyone (including the EU - try selling even more concessions to the UK to poland, spain, italy and consorts). That being said, looneys already out in full force calling it rigged. Funny to follow. That is the part I expect to see a lot of. I hope for everyone that it is only a bunch of comical complaining and conspiracy theories. I don't know how they will top the conspiracy theory going around earlier that polling booths had pencils so the government/MI5 could rub out leave voters crosses on the ballots.
The internet was a mistake. We should have known when we created social media that mob rule, upvoting and the ability to share crappy photo shopped images with red lines would be the downfall of an informed population.
We were not prepared.
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I read somewhere all the banks commissioned their own private exit polls, so following some economic variable which I don't know enough to name could give a clue to the result
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First data from Sunderland: 62% leave
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First rumours/results on guardian/bbc have "leave" getting doing better than expected, and even about by what they would need to win...?
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Remain is winning by 23k at the moment (BBC).
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
newcastle was closer than was comfortable tho
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Newcastle:
49.3% Leave
50.7% Remain
Gibraltar:
4.1% Leave
95.9% Remain
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Wow leave just overtook the lead, massive jump by Sunderland.
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