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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
June 23 2016 13:11 GMT
#1941
When do the election offices (?) close?
sorry for dem one liners
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
June 23 2016 13:15 GMT
#1942
On June 23 2016 22:11 NukeD wrote:
When do the election offices (?) close?


22 Uk, so 23 in Croatia (and Italy)
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
June 23 2016 13:16 GMT
#1943
i can't see the UK leaving the EU, since their foreign policy for centuries has been to divide continental europe and they can only do that being in the EU

that vote is an illusion, i can't take it seriously
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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
June 23 2016 13:17 GMT
#1944
I wouldn't be so sure, the public is fickle, and that bleached Trump dude made a really good closing argument.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 13:33:50
June 23 2016 13:25 GMT
#1945
On June 23 2016 21:56 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 21:45 Half the Sky wrote:
On June 23 2016 21:21 Mafe wrote:
If the UK votes remain, does it mean that this thread will be closed and further discussion happnes in the "european politics" thread?
On June 23 2016 21:14 Godwrath wrote:
On June 23 2016 21:01 ThomasjServo wrote:
Any place you can track exit polls for this or see live results come in? I found a telegraph article but it is just an average of polls and some graphing of support.

No exit polls for the referendum.

What's the reason behind?


Highly doubt it - answer to the first one.

And no exit polls because the influence on current polling is considered a criminal offence.

Subjects which have been contested or are part of the campaign in any way - or other controversial matters relating to the EU or the referendum - must not be covered on polling day, to ensure the BBC's output cannot be seen as influencing the ballot while the polls are open.

However, online sites will not have to remove archived reports.

Coverage is restricted to uncontroversial factual accounts, such as the appearance of politicians and others at polling stations or the weather.

Publishing information setting out the practicalities involved in helping people to vote, such as when the polls are open, the wording of the question, expectations of when the result may be known, etc. are allowed, but the BBC stops short of actually encouraging people to vote.

While the polls are open, it is a criminal offence for anyone, not just broadcasters, to publish anything about the way in which people have voted in the referendum, where that is based on information given by voters after they have voted.

That includes, of course, anything emerging from exit polls (which, by definition, are asking people how they actually voted), although the broadcasters themselves have not commissioned any exit polls for this vote.

In addition, no opinion poll on any issue relating to the referendum can be published by broadcasters until after the polls have closed.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36599900

Ok, so they are still asking people how they voted, but will only release the information after polls have closed? I thought that was common practice anyway with any exit poll in any (european) country.

yes, the exit poll is released on the hour at 10pm when polls close. this was done in the 2015 general elections. for the referendum, they arent doing an exit poll because of the nature of the referendum, it would be way too inaccurate. (for the general election, the result is determined by which party wins the most seats. so for each contested constituency, an exit poll can give a reasonably accurate indication of who will win that consituency. and then they can build an overall picture of the country. because the referendum is not decided by who wins the most areas, but by the absolute popular vote, it's too hard to do an exit poll)

also forgot to add that it's also difficult to do an exit poll for the referendum because there is no historical data to draw from either
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 23 2016 13:32 GMT
#1946
On June 23 2016 22:11 NukeD wrote:
When do the election offices (?) close?

I read that we're going to get first estimates around 00:00 CET tonight (or tomorrow or whatever that's called) somewhere on Reuters if that's what you're asking.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 23 2016 15:11 GMT
#1947
Now we'll see whether the EU/pro-EU part of the govt has managed to extort enough people into the status quo.

I'm quite sure it will be Remain because status quo usually wins, but it already seems like the UK isn't on board with the Europe project and this is only going to delay the issue, not resolve it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 23 2016 15:14 GMT
#1948
On June 23 2016 22:32 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2016 22:11 NukeD wrote:
When do the election offices (?) close?

I read that we're going to get first estimates around 00:00 CET tonight (or tomorrow or whatever that's called) somewhere on Reuters if that's what you're asking.


General timetable with details here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/35f15744-37cd-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html#axzz4CPpILO6n

Projecting roughly 3:30am the most accurate/likely result will be known.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43990 Posts
June 23 2016 15:17 GMT
#1949
On June 23 2016 19:22 gsgfdf wrote:
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On June 23 2016 18:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Torrential rain in London.
Turnout could be lower than expected there.
Everything is aligning for leave.

If rain prevented anything in London I'm pretty sure Brits would have gone extinct by now.

This man understands the British. Far from being the sort that do nothing when it rains the British are enterprising folk who seek out somewhere where it doesn't rain so much and then start squatting there.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 23 2016 15:31 GMT
#1950
Looks increasing like a remain vote short of some massive polling failure again. Hopefully it is at least close.
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 16:24:18
June 23 2016 16:23 GMT
#1951
The irony of commonwealth citizens living in the UK being able to vote in the referendum too. Commonwealth citizens are considered to be non UK/EU people so you can expect how they will vote...
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Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 16:52:27
June 23 2016 16:51 GMT
#1952
Just about to head off to vote. No rain where I am. Been feeling funny all day.

Edit: Also, 52:48 Remain
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
June 23 2016 16:58 GMT
#1953
On June 24 2016 01:23 LennX wrote:
The irony of commonwealth citizens living in the UK being able to vote in the referendum too. Commonwealth citizens are considered to be non UK/EU people so you can expect how they will vote...


There is no irony...
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4568 Posts
June 23 2016 17:20 GMT
#1954
On June 24 2016 01:58 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 01:23 LennX wrote:
The irony of commonwealth citizens living in the UK being able to vote in the referendum too. Commonwealth citizens are considered to be non UK/EU people so you can expect how they will vote...


There is no irony...


But EU people who lived in the UK are not allowed to vote. If a Leave votes happens, they may have some visa issues in the worst case scenario. What I feel as an irony is that some Commonwealth citizens may be just voting for "fun" and will most likely leave the UK after their studies or work contract are done.

I do understand that it is the same for some of the EU people too. It is just weird for me as one party is able to vote but the other isn't.
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
June 23 2016 17:28 GMT
#1955
On June 24 2016 02:20 LennX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 01:58 bardtown wrote:
On June 24 2016 01:23 LennX wrote:
The irony of commonwealth citizens living in the UK being able to vote in the referendum too. Commonwealth citizens are considered to be non UK/EU people so you can expect how they will vote...


There is no irony...


But EU people who lived in the UK are not allowed to vote. If a Leave votes happens, they may have some visa issues in the worst case scenario. What I feel as an irony is that some Commonwealth citizens may be just voting for "fun" and will most likely leave the UK after their studies or work contract are done.

I do understand that it is the same for some of the EU people too. It is just weird for me as one party is able to vote but the other isn't.


Irish/Maltese/Cypriots will be able to vote, and they are EU citizens. It's worth noting as well that there are/were many people who consider themselves British born into the commonwealth, and many commonwealth citizens born into what were technically British colonies/territories.
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
June 23 2016 19:06 GMT
#1956
They didn't ask for ID, seems a bit dumb.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
June 23 2016 19:49 GMT
#1957
On June 24 2016 04:06 Espers wrote:
They didn't ask for ID, seems a bit dumb.

I think the problem with requiring ID is that not everybody has an ID. I didn't get a passport until I was 21 and I don't have a driving licence. I don't drink alcohol so I never needed to worry about needing ID for that either. I would have had to get a form of ID purely to vote.

Moreover, people struggling for money - who cannot afford a car or to go abroad so have no form of ID - may choose to save money by not voting.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 20:26:36
June 23 2016 20:25 GMT
#1958
On June 24 2016 04:49 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 04:06 Espers wrote:
They didn't ask for ID, seems a bit dumb.

I think the problem with requiring ID is that not everybody has an ID. I didn't get a passport until I was 21 and I don't have a driving licence. I don't drink alcohol so I never needed to worry about needing ID for that either. I would have had to get a form of ID purely to vote.

Moreover, people struggling for money - who cannot afford a car or to go abroad so have no form of ID - may choose to save money by not voting.

This is something that I never understood about US and UK (maybe other states do it too). You claim to be greatest democracies ever, but you have people that don't have ID cards. And people are allowed to vote without identifying themselves.
Here in Bulgaria the state gave me an ID card free of charge, as soon as I turned 18. Currently you can have your first ID card, as soon as you turn 14. Many other countries do it too
Why doesn't the government just give you the ID cards for free ? I mean, it's pretty important document for every citizen... How do you identify yourself in a bank office without an ID card ? How do you sign an employment contract without it ?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 23 2016 20:30 GMT
#1959
I guess UK does not have a voter fraud problem. but if we did, how would we know?

What is really dumb is that I could look down the list and see everyone's name and address if I so desire to do so and so can the people looking at the lists.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 23 2016 20:34 GMT
#1960
On June 24 2016 05:25 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 04:49 Melliflue wrote:
On June 24 2016 04:06 Espers wrote:
They didn't ask for ID, seems a bit dumb.

I think the problem with requiring ID is that not everybody has an ID. I didn't get a passport until I was 21 and I don't have a driving licence. I don't drink alcohol so I never needed to worry about needing ID for that either. I would have had to get a form of ID purely to vote.

Moreover, people struggling for money - who cannot afford a car or to go abroad so have no form of ID - may choose to save money by not voting.

This is something that I never understood about US and UK (maybe other states do it too). You claim to be greatest democracies ever, but you have people that don't have ID cards. And people are allowed to vote without identifying themselves.
Here in Bulgaria the state gave me an ID card free of charge, as soon as I turned 18. Currently you can have your first ID card, as soon as you turn 14. Many other countries do it too
Why doesn't the government just give you the ID cards for free ? I mean, it's pretty important document for every citizen... How do you identify yourself in a bank office without an ID card ? How do you sign an employment contract without it ?


Government IDs are disliked due to the information the government would then have on its people without anyone having a choice but to surrender it.
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