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On September 14 2019 21:58 Pr0wler wrote: I don't know why anyone in his right mind will give the UK another extension. If they are not ready after three and a half years, two or three months more won't make any difference. It's clear at this point that they are just delaying for the sake of delaying. I'm 100% sure that, if the spineless EU "leaders" give them another extension, in January they will ask for another one.
The EU granting extensions is all about waiting for the UK to get a remain majority and end this circus. Not about the UK 'getting ready'.
On September 14 2019 21:58 Pr0wler wrote: I don't know why anyone in his right mind will give the UK another extension. If they are not ready after three and a half years, two or three months more won't make any difference. It's clear at this point that they are just delaying for the sake of delaying. I'm 100% sure that, if the spineless EU "leaders" give them another extension, in January they will ask for another one.
The EU granting extensions is all about waiting for the UK to get a remain majority and end this circus. Not about the UK 'getting ready'.
I have the impression that they already have the remain majority. Not in parliament necessary, but in the public. That doesn't mean that the referendum result will be invalidated and the Art.50 will be revoked soon. It can happen, but it will take probably another cycle of elections and then another referendum... Which is a long damn time of nothing happening.
On September 14 2019 21:58 Pr0wler wrote: I don't know why anyone in his right mind will give the UK another extension. If they are not ready after three and a half years, two or three months more won't make any difference. It's clear at this point that they are just delaying for the sake of delaying. I'm 100% sure that, if the spineless EU "leaders" give them another extension, in January they will ask for another one.
The EU granting extensions is all about waiting for the UK to get a remain majority and end this circus. Not about the UK 'getting ready'.
I have the impression that they already have the remain majority. Not in parliament necessary, but in the public. That doesn't mean that the referendum result will be invalidated and the Art.50 will be revoked soon. It can happen, but it will take probably another cycle of elections and then another referendum... Which is a long damn time of nothing happening.
Nothing happening is, for the EU, much preferrable to Brexit, so I don't really see the problem?
On September 14 2019 21:58 Pr0wler wrote: I don't know why anyone in his right mind will give the UK another extension. If they are not ready after three and a half years, two or three months more won't make any difference. It's clear at this point that they are just delaying for the sake of delaying. I'm 100% sure that, if the spineless EU "leaders" give them another extension, in January they will ask for another one.
The EU granting extensions is all about waiting for the UK to get a remain majority and end this circus. Not about the UK 'getting ready'.
I have the impression that they already have the remain majority. Not in parliament necessary, but in the public. That doesn't mean that the referendum result will be invalidated and the Art.50 will be revoked soon. It can happen, but it will take probably another cycle of elections and then another referendum... Which is a long damn time of nothing happening.
I mean a majority in parliament because that is what's needed to end this.
Doing nothing / spending money on preparing for Brexit is better for the EU then actually having the UK leave.
This is chasing rainbows. UK will leave the union. Both sides are wasting time instead of dealing with the situation in timely manner. UK is wasting time hoping that EU will agree with better deal, EU is wasting time hoping that the UK will stay... Until the end of the world... Both things won't happen. Invalidating the referendum can take years. Are we going to sit in that limbo for years, just because there is a very slim chance that the brits will change their mind ? Instead of dealing with important matters, in which function Brussels is already almost inept, we are wasting time with people like May and Boris.
Do you really believe the EU is allocating much time to UK? UKmight be paralysed by brexit, the EU seems to trundle on regardless. As it is Boris hasn't actually tried to negotiate anything. ~I too beleive that UK will leave the EU in the near future. Still, I appreciate the goodwill gestures from the EU.
On September 15 2019 02:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Do you really believe the EU is allocating much time to UK? UKmight be paralysed by brexit, the EU seems to trundle on regardless. As it is Boris hasn't actually tried to negotiate anything. ~I too beleive that UK will leave the EU in the near future. Still, I appreciate the goodwill gestures from the EU.
Costing the EU quite a lot of planing. The transport of commercial vehicles to UK has been overloaded for months. Stocks from UK suppliers is up way above what JiT would normally have. Then there is the preparations for the new custom rules that has been done for years now and keeps having to be updated and reassessed all the time by companies.
Though on a government level I don't think much effort is spent on it.
On September 15 2019 02:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Do you really believe the EU is allocating much time to UK? UKmight be paralysed by brexit, the EU seems to trundle on regardless. As it is Boris hasn't actually tried to negotiate anything. ~I too beleive that UK will leave the EU in the near future. Still, I appreciate the goodwill gestures from the EU.
Costing the EU quite a lot of planing. The transport of commercial vehicles to UK has been overloaded for months. Stocks from UK suppliers is up way above what JiT would normally have. Then there is the preparations for the new custom rules that has been done for years now and keeps having to be updated and reassessed all the time by companies.
Though on a government level I don't think much effort is spent on it.
UK suppliers is a UK problem tho. Maybe EU countries are holding extra stock for UK products, but there isn't actually that much that they can exclusively get from the UK, so it's more a trade-off between buying cheap from the UK now and holding in stock in case of sudden Brexit vs buying at a higher price from whatever other supplier can provide Cheddar cheese (or do without ad use Gouda instead).
I mean, it obviously isn't ideal for EU industry to have the great unknown of Brexit. But it isn't really a big deal either given the provisions already taken. And it is still better to take the minor loss from the uncertainty than the definite loss from a hard Brexit.
The Brits are obviously hit far harder. I'm not a macro-economist, but there has to be a point where postponing is actually worse than hard Brexiting. Maybe not short term tho and Pareto optimality could be to keep postponing at every choice point.
Oddly enough the Lib Dems at their party conference cheered Guy Verhofstadt when he said the EU needed to become an empire.Guys, you can't deride brexiteers for longing back to the days of empire when you're looking forward to the EU empire.When he says the EU is doing 'too little' he wants more intervention by the EU empire - of course, all empires have their own army.
On September 16 2019 08:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Oddly enough the Lib Dems at their party conference cheered Guy Verhofstadt when he said the EU needed to become an empire.Guys, you can't deride brexiteers for longing back to the days of empire when you're looking forward to the EU empire.When he says the EU is doing 'too little' he wants more intervention by the EU empire - of course, all empires have their own army.
On September 16 2019 17:49 Longshank wrote: Is he wrong though? How are EU countries individually supposed to stand up against China, the US and India?
Even combined it isn't guaranteed we will be negotiating on even terms in a few decades. Europe is a small continent located too far north as it is. Global warming could make it much worse (or a little better) as well.
EU should be pushing for a united earth government, only real way to make sure to get decent terms.
Just another example of Nettles not understanding enough of the opposing view to comprehend that his gotcha hasn’t got anyone. The Lib Dems are in favour of closer integration of Europe including defence policy. This gotcha, an implication of an EU army, is just you revealing something that is publicly stated in their manifesto.
On September 16 2019 08:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Oddly enough the Lib Dems at their party conference cheered Guy Verhofstadt when he said the EU needed to become an empire.Guys, you can't deride brexiteers for longing back to the days of empire when you're looking forward to the EU empire.When he says the EU is doing 'too little' he wants more intervention by the EU empire - of course, all empires have their own army.
What a clickbait title. Nothing you wrote is true. He didn't say EU needed to become an Empire. He didn't say he wants more intervention by the EU empire. He didn't say of course all empire have their own army.
Only one thing you wrote is true, that he was cheered and this is what he said to be cheered at the end:
"The world of tomorrow is a world of empires in which we European, and you British, can only defend your interest, your way of life, by doing it together in European framework and in European Union."
Presumably iplaynettles doesn't want the British and Europeans to defend their aligned interests.
Previously he was talking about the world of tomorrow, of empires of China, India, Russia and USA. It's clear he is talking about "empires" as in large and powerful governments.
It sounds like Boris Johnson didn't have a very good day today. His working lunch with various EU figures ended in him abandoning a press conference due to protests then getting dunked on by the PM of Luxembourg. Juncker also confirmed that nothing has really been done negotiations-wise.
On September 17 2019 05:42 Ben... wrote: It sounds like Boris Johnson didn't have a very good day today. His working lunch with various EU figures ended in him abandoning a press conference due to protests then getting dunked on by the PM of Luxembourg. Juncker also confirmed that nothing has really been done negotiations-wise.
I fail to see how any of it matters when Johnsons job in Brussels is to sabotage the extension that he is forced to ask for.
On September 17 2019 05:42 Ben... wrote: It sounds like Boris Johnson didn't have a very good day today. His working lunch with various EU figures ended in him abandoning a press conference due to protests then getting dunked on by the PM of Luxembourg. Juncker also confirmed that nothing has really been done negotiations-wise.
I fail to see how any of it matters when Johnsons job in Brussels is to sabotage the extension that he is forced to ask for.
He's not there to look good and get a deal.
Then why be there at all? What does he have to gain? All this would do is piss off the EU members he's going to be negotiating with post-Brexit should his beloved no-deal Brexit go through.
I don't see how this behaviour is either good for the UK economically or good for Johnson politically. If a no-deal Brexit happens and then the EU refuses to make any trade deals with Johnson because he pissed them off too much then the UK's completely screwed. It seems like there is absolutely no foresight to any actions he takes or anything he does.
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