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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Nah, nothing like a good self induced economic crisis to get some cheap company takeovers, reduce annoying EU worker protections and get a government bailout on your shitty loans. Super rich guys like Rees-Mogg are literally of the 'chaos is a ladder' type | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22649 Posts
On July 23 2019 22:53 Mohdoo wrote: increased autonomy, easier control over the government, less trouble with worker rights from the EU.The conspiracy in my head is that brexit is bad for the UK 1% and they are forcing Boris to cancel it. But maybe it's just that I can't accept the fact that this really is a total disaster. Still, I have a hard time with the idea that the 1% wouldn't do all they can to prevent their wealth from being decreased. Cancelling brexit would help the 1% right? No i think the rich is perfectly fine with a hard Brexit. Economic depression tends hurts the rich a lo less then it does the working classes. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 23 2019 23:08 Gorsameth wrote: increased autonomy, easier control over the government, less trouble with worker rights from the EU. No i think the rich is perfectly fine with a hard Brexit. Economic depression tends hurts the rich a lo less then it does the working classes. Ah...guess England is screwed then. Hopefully the UK just splits up and join the EU so that England gets particularly screwed over. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4456 Posts
On July 23 2019 23:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Nah, nothing like a good self induced economic crisis to get some cheap company takeovers, reduce annoying EU worker protections and get a government bailout on your shitty loans. Super rich guys like Rees-Mogg are literally of the 'chaos is a ladder' type This isn’t exactly true is it? If the EU was such a marvellous economic boon then Deutsche Bank might be viable and Italy wouldn’t be considering launching a parallel currency https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-07/italy-s-scary-alternative-currency-idea-the-mini-bot Holding a second referendum a month or two after Deutsche bank goes Lehman would be a Rees-Mogg wet dream.More bank bailouts (Or bail-Ins) are certainly on the horizon. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2019/07/08/deutsche-banks-death-by-a-thousand-cuts-is-not-over/#12c1fe8c24bd | ||
KwarK
United States44368 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
I'm sceptical of Boris but I hope he will deliver on his promises. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On July 24 2019 18:08 Zaros wrote: Will be interesting day with political and cabinet appointments. Apparently Dominic Cummings is new chief of staff which is quite a statement. https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1153955716446720000 I'm sceptical of Boris but I hope he will deliver on his promises. He’s been lying from day 1 about every single issue and his whole brexit strategy has been to promise unicorns to gullible voters. What are you hoping him to deliver? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 23 2019 23:08 Gorsameth wrote: increased autonomy, easier control over the government, less trouble with worker rights from the EU. No i think the rich is perfectly fine with a hard Brexit. Economic depression tends hurts the rich a lo less then it does the working classes. No, Brexit doesn't make economic sense for anyone, both rich or no rich. Sure, the conservative party can use brexit as an opportunity to pass other reforms that investors and industry leaders like, but that doesn't counterbalance the loss overall economic loss, lower capital mobility and flight of financial services away from London. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:51 Artisreal wrote: Inspiration, brilliance and waking up the sleeping giant You think anyone expect a narcissistic, compulsively lying clown to deliver brilliance and inspiration? Doesn’t make sense to me. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22649 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:51 Sbrubbles wrote: Not everything is about economic sense or making more $$. No, Brexit doesn't make economic sense for anyone, both rich or no rich. Sure, the conservative party can use brexit as an opportunity to pass other reforms that investors and industry leaders like, but that doesn't counterbalance the loss overall economic loss, lower capital mobility and flight of financial services away from London. Brexit can also be about getting away from regulation and control from the EU. And while that will lead to an economic loss the rich will still be rich. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On July 24 2019 21:15 Gorsameth wrote: Not everything is about economic sense or making more $$. Brexit can also be about getting away from regulation and control from the EU. And while that will lead to an economic loss the rich will still be rich. My point is that getting away from regulation and control from the EU is financially less impactful to these people than the advantages of being in the EU, despite regulation and control. And obviously the rich will still be rich. No policy can change that. They'll just be less rich. Edit: if you mean the rich care more about getting away from regulation than their own bottom line, then I think we can agree to disagree | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 24 2019 20:56 Biff The Understudy wrote: You think anyone expect a narcissistic, compulsively lying clown to deliver brilliance and inspiration? Doesn’t make sense to me. That was a sarcastic post. I thought it obvious by using a few of BoJo's own words. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On July 24 2019 21:55 Artisreal wrote: That was a sarcastic post. I thought it obvious by using a few of BoJo's own words. I was just wondering. Hard to keep track of who thinks what sometimes.. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On July 25 2019 00:28 Biff The Understudy wrote: I was just wondering. Hard to keep track of who thinks what sometimes.. True, no harm in asking (-: Very interesting that Johnson is trying to reneg the exit agreement. Let's see if there is any Bioware magic in his negotiation strategy. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24384 Posts
On July 25 2019 00:28 Biff The Understudy wrote: I was just wondering. Hard to keep track of who thinks what sometimes.. I've gotten Art and Acro confused for years and think I just finally can keep them/their politics (to the extent they've discussed them) straight in my mind now so you're definitely not alone. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
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Maverick_2009
Somewhere2002 Posts
On July 25 2019 04:27 Longshank wrote: I wouldn't feel too dismayed if I was a remainer. BoJo is probably the best thing that could have happen to the remain camp. No other candidate would have attracted as many Tory MPs to support a VoNC. This is assuming he'll botch his renegotiation of the WA which is more or less a given. I do feel compelled to question which party could even possibly take a majority in Parliament, and for that matter, which parties could work together in a hung parliament at this point, everyone's so divided on the issue and let's not pretend Labour is likely to get into government, I personally think there is an awful lack of real political leadership in the country at the moment that would come out on top. No doubt a GE might finally put Farage in Westminster as well, which is even more money into his pockets on top of charismatic speeches echoing nothing but Euroscepticism and anti-immigration. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On July 24 2019 12:21 KwarK wrote: I feel like if either Cameron or Brown contested Johnson or Corbyn they’d easily win a general election. These are some of the least popular party leaders imaginable. The Labour Party's future is very interesting. Corbyn seemed untouchable but Brexit has royally fucked that. The problem is nobody's risen up to replace him, because what Corbyn says aside from his stance on Brexit aligns better with the current membership. So we're in the position of a popular leader being in an unpopular phase (his lowest ever) where he should be prime for a challenge, but the rest of Labour so heavily damaged itself trying to discredit him that there's no viable challengers. I don't think Brown would beat Corbyn. I don't know who would. Cameron's a more interesting proposition, but I suspect he'd fail. Ultimately, what made Cameron good is his undoing; he was too centrist. The new Tories are running to the far right as fast as they can. I don't think Cameron would be able to appeal to core Tory voters right now. On July 25 2019 04:27 Longshank wrote: I wouldn't feel too dismayed if I was a remainer. BoJo is probably the best thing that could have happen to the remain camp. No other candidate would have attracted as many Tory MPs to support a VoNC. This is assuming he'll botch his renegotiation of the WA which is more or less a given. Ongoing chaos is the worst possible outcome. We need a government that makes its fucking mind up and does something. We don't need more general elections and dithering over will we/won't we. If we're leaving, that sucks but let's get the fuck on with it and start building our future. We can't exist in limbo for year upon year upon year. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On July 25 2019 07:50 iamthedave wrote: Ongoing chaos is the worst possible outcome. We need a government that makes its fucking mind up and does something. We don't need more general elections and dithering over will we/won't we. If we're leaving, that sucks but let's get the fuck on with it and start building our future. We can't exist in limbo for year upon year upon year. As if a no deal Brexit would end the chaos. You'd trade a parliamentary chaos to a national one. Feels like it would be better to have the chaos confined to parliament and no10. That said, I've become more and more on the side that perhaps a no deal Brexit would be best for us in the EU in the end. | ||
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