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Harris1st
Germany7044 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18205 Posts
On July 25 2019 18:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Boris Johnson is no Trump yet. Thank goodness. So far, he hasn't openly courted white supremacists, though it can be argued he has come close. He might forget what he was saying halfway through a speech, but it's a carefully scripted act. Didn't he throw some pretty nasty racist slurs at Sadiq Khan during the mayoral elections? | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On July 25 2019 21:18 Acrofales wrote: Was it Boris? I don't remember. I thought it was the other mayoral runner whose name escape me right now. I don't think Boris and Sadiq Khan ran for mayor at the same time.Didn't he throw some pretty nasty racist slurs at Sadiq Khan during the mayoral elections? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18205 Posts
On July 25 2019 22:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Was it Boris? I don't remember. I thought it was the other mayoral runner whose name escape me right now. I don't think Boris and Sadiq Khan ran for mayor at the same time. You're right. I misremembered. Boris didn't run in 2016, it was Zac Goldsmith. The closest BoJo got to that was hiring the campaign manager for his campaign to become PM right now. Doesn't seem like a sensible move for someone who doesn't agree with the campaign, but at least he wasn't the one running that actual campaign. | ||
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Maverick_2009
Somewhere2002 Posts
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KwarK
United States43536 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
Enough of the personality politics. I hate his determination to do hard brexit, but he genuinely looks like he's at least trying to reverse some of Cameron and May's more brutal policies. Scrapping the arbtirary immigration target is great. Investing in emergency services that have been absolutely destroyed is also great. I don't like the guy but we should give him time to see what his overall set of policies look like. He could be the best tory prime minister for a long time. On the other hand, I really dislike his choice of cabinet so there's that. I'm wondering if all of his domestic policy will be more liberal to offset the focus on hard brexit. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
On July 26 2019 18:00 schaf wrote: I'm not that familiar with British fiscal politics but isn't it evenly the wrong time to raise public spending? With an unknown kind of brexit coming around in 3 months? You could be right but we have just gone through a long period of austerity that has absolutely gutted all of our public services, local communities and city life. This was needed about 5 years ago to be honest. Regardless of the effects of Brexit we can't carry on as a country like this. Just as one example the police in the UK are so destroyed that they have all but given up on crime prevention and now just serve as a force for investigating crime that already happened. When you say raising public spending it is being raised from a situation of being dangerously low, hopefully to being a normal level for a tory government instead of the extreme cuts that were made by Cameron and May. The effects of these cuts have been so severe I would accept hard brexit and all the untold damage that would do if there was a promise to fully reverse them, and I'm a remainer. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7959 Posts
On July 26 2019 16:29 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't like how people are ignoring Boris' good policies because of who he is. Enough of the personality politics. I hate his determination to do hard brexit, but he genuinely looks like he's at least trying to reverse some of Cameron and May's more brutal policies. Scrapping the arbtirary immigration target is great. Investing in emergency services that have been absolutely destroyed is also great. I don't like the guy but we should give him time to see what his overall set of policies look like. He could be the best tory prime minister for a long time. On the other hand, I really dislike his choice of cabinet so there's that. I'm wondering if all of his domestic policy will be more liberal to offset the focus on hard brexit. The notion that a narcissist with absolutely no moral standard whatsoever could be a good leader just eludes me. It’s the same with Trump. It’s not personality politics, it’s common sense. Some people are just not fitted, as human beings, to lead anything. Johnson is one of them. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On July 29 2019 19:41 Biff The Understudy wrote: The notion that a narcissist with absolutely no moral standard whatsoever could be a good leader just eludes me. It’s the same with Trump. It’s not personality politics, it’s common sense. Some people are just not fitted, as human beings, to lead anything. Johnson is one of them. I think it’s possible that it’s a good combination, however it needs to be wedded to extreme competence. In theory anyway if your driving motivation is prestige and reputation, that requires you to do a good job, so maybe leads to it. With Trump this obviously doesn’t work because his brand of narcissism is completely delusional Despite it being in vogue to refer to politicians as ‘x country’s Trump’ I don’t think Johnson is all that similarly wired, remains to be seen how he acts in the big seat though. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
Boris cares about his own popularity. May didn't (or she had other priorities). She was ideological and in a nasty way. People read too much shit online and listen to much to the voices that just want to yell at people for stuff they've said. Trump's racism is reflected in racist policy and in the stuff he says. May never said racist stuff but her policies were as racist as Trump's. Boris says racist stuff but his policies so far seem more moderate. Policy matters more. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Pretty red line he's drawing at the moment. Across a drawing board that's been declared set in stone even before he ran for office. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9167 Posts
On July 30 2019 01:03 Jockmcplop wrote: I just find it a bit surprising how much shit Boris gets from the left when his policies are more liberal than his predecessor. Boris will compromise somethings to get what he wants, which is good for democracy, May just either broke the law or tried to force stuff through without compromising on anything at all. Boris cares about his own popularity. May didn't (or she had other priorities). She was ideological and in a nasty way. People read too much shit online and listen to much to the voices that just want to yell at people for stuff they've said. Trump's racism is reflected in racist policy and in the stuff he says. May never said racist stuff but her policies were as racist as Trump's. Boris says racist stuff but his policies so far seem more moderate. Policy matters more. You shouldn't find it surprising, most people on the left are not consequentialists. I find Boris more dangerous and despicable than May, he is only less authoritarian for the time being because it's in his perceived interest but that can change at any time since he has no ideology or scruples whatsoever. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On July 30 2019 01:03 Jockmcplop wrote: I just find it a bit surprising how much shit Boris gets from the left when his policies are more liberal than his predecessor. Boris will compromise somethings to get what he wants, which is good for democracy, May just either broke the law or tried to force stuff through without compromising on anything at all. Boris cares about his own popularity. May didn't (or she had other priorities). She was ideological and in a nasty way. People read too much shit online and listen to much to the voices that just want to yell at people for stuff they've said. Trump's racism is reflected in racist policy and in the stuff he says. May never said racist stuff but her policies were as racist as Trump's. Boris says racist stuff but his policies so far seem more moderate. Policy matters more. Policy has been swallowed up by the Brexit issue for years, to the detriment of some and the benefit of others. May skated as rough a ride as she should have gotten under normal circumstances over the disastrous effects of austerity measures, Corbyn’s Labour have struggled to push their generally popular policies from under the smothering blanket of Brexit. Policy should matter more than it currently does, but really for that to happen Brexit needs sorted in some manner or fashion. If Boris pushes policies that fuck people over less than those of his predecessor, then I agree that for me it outweighs some controversial comments, but it’s early doors. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4381 Posts
I have this vision of the people protesting about climate emergency with 12 years to save the planet also protesting about how brexit will lower Britain’s GDP over 20 years compared to remaining or that Britain will produce 100,000 fewer cars per year in a Brexit scenario.Newsflash if there’s a climate emergency maybe lower consumption is good? Every year it becomes easier to call out these virtue signallers. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On August 02 2019 19:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: The guardian ran an article a few days ago bemoaning Brexits impact on the car industry, with investment and jobs at stake.Yet last October they ran an article quoting the UN claiming we have 12 years to stop cataclysmic climate emergency. I have this vision of the people protesting about climate emergency with 12 years to save the planet also protesting about how brexit will lower Britain’s GDP over 20 years compared to remaining or that Britain will produce 100,000 fewer cars per year in a Brexit scenario.Newsflash if there’s a climate emergency maybe lower consumption is good? Every year it becomes easier to call out these virtue signallers. loL? Both are acute problems that arn't adressed? They are related but not mutually exclusive. Also they ran an article that states science's position, that the next 18 months are crucial in setting up the foundation for hitting the 2050 targets. And neither is virtue signalling. You're using a phrase that is not apliccable here. And it might have evaded you, there are people contributing to the guardian that hold differing views on various matters, so you might find 2 articles / opinion pieces / commentary that actually purport the opposite. | ||
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