EPTI remember reading quite a lot about it at the time and I still have no real grasp of the case against, or why it worked so well the thing got voted down at a rate I'd expect for total surrender and subjugation to the French.
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
I remember reading quite a lot about it at the time and I still have no real grasp of the case against, or why it worked so well the thing got voted down at a rate I'd expect for total surrender and subjugation to the French. | ||
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
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KwarK
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Longshank
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On January 24 2019 22:20 Longshank wrote: One thing I've been wondering about the calls for a second referendum though is how on earth will they get leave voters to partake in such? If leave voters boycot the referendum surely that would seriously question the legitmacy of any result? Does that matter? Not like all the people refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 because they didn't get Bernie made the election any less legitimate.. The EC did that all on its own. If you don't vote, you don't get a say. boycotting a vote just makes sure your voice isn't heard. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On January 24 2019 22:20 Longshank wrote: One thing I've been wondering about the calls for a second referendum though is how on earth will they get leave voters to partake in such? If leave voters boycot the referendum surely that would seriously question the legitmacy of any result? Why would people who would had voted to leave boycott a hypothetical second referendum? | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 24 2019 22:20 Longshank wrote: One thing I've been wondering about the calls for a second referendum though is how on earth will they get leave voters to partake in such? If leave voters boycot the referendum surely that would seriously question the legitmacy of any result? If they voted the first time and feel passionately, they'll vote the second time. if they don't, all the better to call it off. | ||
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KwarK
United States43991 Posts
On January 24 2019 22:43 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Why would people who would had voted to leave boycott a hypothetical second referendum? Because it makes a mockery of the system. If they’re not going to do it when they get the answer they don’t want then they shouldn’t ask the question in the first place. A second referendum isn’t a legitimate referendum. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23957 Posts
I mean to say I felt like I almost had a stroke trying to parse through twitter takes on the current state of brexit and appreciate this thread. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9848 Posts
On January 25 2019 00:14 KwarK wrote: Because it makes a mockery of the system. If they’re not going to do it when they get the answer they don’t want then they shouldn’t ask the question in the first place. A second referendum isn’t a legitimate referendum. A second referendum would be legitimate if remain wasn't an option. I doubt that this would happen though. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 25 2019 00:14 GreenHorizons wrote: How have you all not died since the internet killed dry sarcasm? I mean to say I felt like I almost had a stroke trying to parse through twitter takes on the current state of brexit and appreciate this thread. a) We're English, nothing can prevent us from being sarcastic. b) Brexit moved from unbearable tragedy to Monty Python sketch months ago. This sustains us. c) We are devoting much of our energy into not thinking about the high chances of either Michael Gove or Boris Johnson being PM, and the almost apocalyptic loss of face that would result in us being led by Poundland Trump (a significant downgrade from Poundstretcher Thatcher). | ||
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KwarK
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Longshank
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Longshank
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On January 25 2019 00:14 KwarK wrote: Because it makes a mockery of the system. If they’re not going to do it when they get the answer they don’t want then they shouldn’t ask the question in the first place. A second referendum isn’t a legitimate referendum. The question wouldn't be the same though which is an important distinction. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2791 Posts
So she is sticking to it which gives Parliament two choices, her deal or no deal. Parliament can always no-confidence her and choose someone else if they want to. As much as people like to harp on May I think she's doing the only thing she can that will let her walk out of this with some kind of legacy and I also think it will work. If Parliament accepts her deal because time runs out she can say she delivered Brexit and that it was the best deal the UK could get and she will have a lot of political cover since the deal got accepted by a majority of MP's. If Parliament won't accept her deal and it's a hard Brexit it's mostly their fault not hers. If Parliament arranges for a new referendum it's also not her fault. If Parliament revokes A50 (or no-confidences her and elect someone else if that is what it takes) it's not her fault. And finally if she gets a no-confidence vote and someone else gets elected to deal with the mess it's not her fault. The only way to lose big if is someone else becomes PM and actually gets a better deal but there is basically no chance for that to happen. I think she has placed the bag of burning shit squarely in the MP's court. And as much as they hate it they will have to stomp out the fire eventually. Sure they will blame her for everything but in the end they will be the people who have shit on their shoes. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9848 Posts
A bunch of shit she's trying to fix now could have been fixed at any point in the last 2 years, but she did nothing and hired morons to negotiate for her. She didn't think of maybe seeing how much support a possible deal had before the fucking deadline at some point? She's now left in a position of having to blackmail her own MPs with the threat of no deal - so they sign a deal nobody wants, which if you remember a few years ago was supposed to be our threat to the EU to get what we want. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On January 25 2019 00:14 KwarK wrote: Because it makes a mockery of the system. If they’re not going to do it when they get the answer they don’t want then they shouldn’t ask the question in the first place. A second referendum isn’t a legitimate referendum. The first referendum was already making a mockery of the democratic process. A second referendum would be an attempt to fix it. It would give at least some legitimacy to your spineless politicians to call this whole nonsense off. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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