EPTIt shows exactly where the priorities of the really powerful lie.
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
It shows exactly where the priorities of the really powerful lie. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On a side note it shocked me how badly people treat the homeless in the UK, how they even talk about them really made me pause several times o_o. No compassion or empathy to say the least. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On February 01 2017 04:10 MyTHicaL wrote: I was last there in October for graduation.. Yeah there are definately issues that were easy to see and that was in the South. Can't imagine what the North is like.. On a side note it shocked me how badly people treat the homeless in the UK, how they even talk about them really made me pause several times o_o. No compassion or empathy to say the least. What compassion? I do my job and get paid, if I stop to give money to every homeless in the UK, I will be poor soon. It's their fault for failing in life. This is the problem with social democrats/left wing. They keep pouring water (money) into a mug without bottom (also known as welfare). Instead, you invest in business so they can employ more people and those homeless guys start supporting themselves. It's the best you can do for them as a long-term solution. Speak to your MPs and government about improving the business environment. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
If you invest more in business you get more expensive managers to take a piss on the homeless people on their way home from some expensive fancy bar. edit: Also phrases like 'its their fault for failing at life' show that you either don't give enough of a shit to have even begun to think about the problem or you just don't understand it. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On February 01 2017 09:32 Jockmcplop wrote: If only it worked like that haha. If you invest more in business you get more expensive managers to take a piss on the homeless people on their way home from some expensive fancy bar. edit: Also phrases like 'its their fault for failing at life' show that you either don't give enough of a shit to have even begun to think about the problem or you just don't understand it. I stand by my words and I don't give a shit about homeless people indeed. It's their fault mostly. I've gone to university, I've graduated with a Computer Science degree and I work as a software engineer. I'm pretty sure I've done MY part to get educated and secure a job. Why can't they do the same? It's not like SLC's loans aren't available to pretty much anyone from EU and UK. Don't be a lazy ass and get educated. Education pays off, but don't get dumb degrees either. It's an investment. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
What about the serious problem of people with mental health issues (which is a pretty large percentage of the homeless right now), who have become homeless because the government has pretty much stopped funding any kind of reasonable mental health system within the NHS. I guess its their fault for being mentally ill, right? Still, I can't argue about it if you just don't give a shit. That's fair enough, but saying its their fault for being homeless is wrong, and ignorant - and an all to common attitude. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Edit: I'm happy to contribute with my tax for such people, but not the lazy ones. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
Do you really want to pay tax for people who can't bother to go to work? Is that what you think should be done? Why should we all go to work then? What's the point? Are you saying that the only point in going to work is that other people do it? That's insane. I'll get back to this with a real post tomorrow anyway I have to go to work in the morning  | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Edit: If bees were lazy bastards, they wouldn't have honey in their hive. :D | ||
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Simberto
Germany11735 Posts
In my opinion, i really don't think that laziness is the main origin of homelessness. Being homeless is just so incredibly shitty that i think most people would rather work than be homeless. Thus, there must be some other reason that they do not. This reason can be mental illness, which you both agreed was a valid reason. It can be some other problem like drug addiction. It can be a downward spiral of events where you are homeless and stink because you have no place to wash, thus you don't get a job because no one hires people who are homeless and smell bad, thus you stay homeless and keep on smelling bad. If we now assume that the main reason for homelessness is not willingness to change, but some problem that prevents change, it is both compassionate and ultimately reasonable to give aid to those people. This does empathically NOT mean just giving them money. They obviously have some sort of problem that can not simply be solved by just money, and probably also lack the necessary skills to use that money to escape their situation. It also does not mean just giving them a quality of life equivalent to what they could earn with lower wage jobs, because i agree that this would reduce the willingness to change your situation a lot. It means finding a way to provide: a) basic necessities like food and shelter (without those, you are basically incapable of concentrating on anything but how to acquire those) b) counseling and aid towards getting out of that situation. c) job trainings and assistance in getting that. Welfare should always have the ultimate goal of having people being able to stand on their own feet again, instead of just keeping them kind of comfortable. Money is bad at doing this, but the things that do help also cost money. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9768 Posts
And of course homelessness's main cause isn't laziness, that's too much reading The Sun or The Daily Mail that causes that attitude. Its just wrong. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States2057 Posts
On February 01 2017 21:53 farvacola wrote: At least Shield doesn't publicly hold himself out as someone who is religious, which is the case with most of the US folk who make a sport out of judging the poor. It's a bit more nuanced than that. Essentially most practicing Christians are single-issue voters on abortion, and due to our bipartisan system, it means they have to publicly ally themselves with the social-Darwinist wing of the Republican Party so as to not fracture the vote. So if you talk to them about politics they'll espouse a lot of neoliberal (it's called "conservative" here) ideology, although privately they are not uncharitable or unsympathetic to poor people. I used to do that myself; I didn't really believe in trickle-down economics and all that, but I publicly defended it. (I'm sure many others have legitimately convinced themselves that neoliberal economic policies do really help the poor, but I couldn't say what portion.) But not long ago I realized the simple truth that voting for/supporting the 'lesser of two evils' is a failing strategy in the long run, so now I'm not going to anymore. I think if there was a great political realignment overnight, and it was OK to be anti-abortion in the Democratic Party again (as it used to be until roughly 2011), a lot of Christians would flock back there. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
In any case, this ain't the thread for it; the point is that judging the poor without a religious justification is definitely more of a European thing | ||
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