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On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Basically.
I studied in England and my facebook is full of horrified Britons and EU citizens living in London not knowing what will happen to them, and having their lives potentially ruined.
I've had many of my friends absurdly deported because they were from Canada or Australia, and even though they contributed greatly to the country by being excellent professionals and paying their taxes, they didn't meet the ludicrous standards imposed by the tory government.
I swear you that after a couple of "deportation drinks", you look at Teresa May and the anti immigrations hacks in a slightly different way.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Backseatmoderation != answering your question. You asked something, he explained. You then go ahead and accuse him of backseat moderating.
Guess we're done here.
I studied in England and my facebook is full of horrified Britons and EU citizens living in London not knowing what will happen to them, and having their lives potentially ruined.
Oh i can relate to that. But my life won't be ruined, i'll just pack my stuff, take my (welsh) wife and go back. Including the jobs i created here.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Has been a while since you posted anything substantial. What about getting back on topic instead of complaining about me or Plansix?
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
I'm right wing in terms of economy. Not sure if I'm right wing socially, but please don't make such generalisations about the whole right wing. If you say far right, then I could agree.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
I'm right wing in terms of economy. Not sure if I'm right wing socially, but please don't make such generalisations about the whole right wing. If you say far right, then I could agree.
Let settle for far right then.
Although I maintain my comment for most of the Tory party, who seem utterly unconcerned about the lives of many many many people, many of them being now a parent, or partner, or family of british kids and people:
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Backseatmoderation != answering your question. You asked something, he explained. You then go ahead and accuse him of backseat moderating.
Guess we're done here.
You're not even bothering to read anything he didn't answer anything he made some virtue-signaling post that had nothing to do with my question.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Has been a while since you posted anything substantial. What about getting back on topic instead of complaining about me or Plansix?
You mean like making personal attacks and whining about your sisters personal problems? Great substance.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
I'm right wing in terms of economy. Not sure if I'm right wing socially, but please don't make such generalisations about the whole right wing. If you say far right, then I could agree.
I guess one could argue that he spoke for a certain country, considering that "right wing" means different things in different countries. Europes right wing in general is still not that right wing in the US, for example.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Backseatmoderation != answering your question. You asked something, he explained. You then go ahead and accuse him of backseat moderating.
Guess we're done here.
You're not even bothering to read anything he didn't answer anything he made some virtue-signaling post that had nothing to do with my question.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Has been a while since you posted anything substantial. What about getting back on topic instead of complaining about me or Plansix?
You mean like making personal attacks and whining about your sisters personal problems? Great substance.
Not my fault of you are so thin skinned, I actually never talked about you. My post was not even an answer to anything you had posted.
And it's not my sister personal problem. It's the problem of every EU citizen living in the UK. And I see it because a relative of mine is affected, which I think is relevant to share.
But if you want to keep being a total douchebag, carry on. You are the one being insulting, on a very personal level.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Backseatmoderation != answering your question. You asked something, he explained. You then go ahead and accuse him of backseat moderating.
Guess we're done here.
You're not even bothering to read anything he didn't answer anything he made some virtue-signaling post that had nothing to do with my question.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
Has been a while since you posted anything substantial. What about getting back on topic instead of complaining about me or Plansix?
You mean like making personal attacks and whining about your sisters personal problems? Great substance.
Dude. Your questions have been answered. Pretty much all of them. Quintessence: you have no idea about economics. Zero. You don't even understand what the single biggest benefit of the EU actually is. So what's the point in continuing to "argue"? You're literally derailing on purpose now.
On July 05 2016 06:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: My sister is installed in the UK. She has lived there for years and has a partner. If the EU citizen lose their rights, she will be deported. I know right wingers usually don't give a damn about people's fate, but on to of being an economic absurdity, the Brexit will break and upset many many families and lives.
Do you typically just insult people and change the subject instead of answer their questions?
Politics is about real people and real peoples lives being improved or ruined. This is not abstract for some people. Sometimes people are going to say not nice things on the internet because they are upset or have feelings. If you feel you are going to take offense every single time someone does thing, I would recommend avoiding politics as a subject.
Your constant backseat modding is annoying. Every other post I see from you is backseat modding.
That was life advice, considering I am answer your question. When people say mean things about the other side of the political spectrum, its is normally because that side just did something that will hurt or harm them or someone they care about.
On July 05 2016 07:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote: What a smug circlejerk last time I come here looking for a discussion with questions about the UK.
Continue your intellectless echochamber gentlemen, enjoy.
Don't think we'll miss you. Good bye.
Looks like the Conservative are in fact divided with what to do with EU citizens. Leadsom is not considering using them as bargain chips like Teresa May:
It's a screwed up world that the question of EU nationals in the UK and UK national in the EU is not the center of the argument. We talk about millions of lives being upset right now.
I hope the negociators don't botch that one.
What I can see coming is a mediocre deal for the UK, with a shitloads of concessions to the EU. I think the ones who are negociating that mess are not coming out politically alive of it. Unless the EU decides to be very nice all of sudden, but that's unlikely. No one has any reason to be kind to the UK in those talks.
Things seem to be getting a little too heated in here right now. Let's try to keep the insults to a minimum and have civil discussions. If someone is blatantly ignoring everything you're saying and sticking to his/her guns, then please just ignore that person and move on.
On July 05 2016 06:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: Actually, many people in France, starting with late Michel Rocard were in favour of Brexit. Britain has never been a committed member to the EU. It has always considered the whole thing from the perspective of egoistic interest, trying to obtain good deals. The EU is supposed to be a union, where countries stand together and display solidarity and unity.
I don't know if that's right. One cannot deny that Britain's attitude has always been questionable at best, and it might well be that Europe can take a new start after the Brexit.
I actually think the UK leaving is best for the EU as a whole. The EU's strongest countries need to be united and seek common interest in order to strenghten the EU. The UK was doing the exact opposite since it entered the common market, seeking only its own interest. With the UK gone, we can hope that the remaining strong countries (Germany, France, and potentially Italy) will act harmoniously.
I was going to ask something, but I just realised something ironic, don'tk now if it's correct or not, but it's the following.
One of the main points of the Brexit campaign was being able to set their own tariffs on goods or some shit, right? But when the single market has to be changed or even completely abolished for the UK, don't they have to pay extra on those "4 freedoms" anyway? So at best they'll just come out in a break-even, right? (which, let's be honest, if it comes to negotiations and an actual leave, won't be a break-even)
On July 05 2016 07:31 Seeker wrote: Things seem to be getting a little too heated in here right now. Let's try to keep the insults to a minimum and have civil discussions. If someone is blatantly ignoring everything you're saying and sticking to his/her guns, then please just ignore that person and move on.
Sorry, I have my share of responsibility. Will be civil.
On July 05 2016 06:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: Actually, many people in France, starting with late Michel Rocard were in favour of Brexit. Britain has never been a committed member to the EU. It has always considered the whole thing from the perspective of egoistic interest, trying to obtain good deals. The EU is supposed to be a union, where countries stand together and display solidarity and unity.
I don't know if that's right. One cannot deny that Britain's attitude has always been questionable at best, and it might well be that Europe can take a new start after the Brexit.
I actually think the UK leaving is best for the EU as a whole. The EU's strongest countries need to be united and seek common interest in order to strenghten the EU. The UK was doing the exact opposite since it entered the common market, seeking only its own interest. With the UK gone, we can hope that the remaining strong countries (Germany, France, and potentially Italy) will act harmoniously.
Well, the UK has a long long tradition and history of defiance towards the continent. You don't reverse a millenary of foreign policy in a couple of decades. Unfortunately the result is indeed a really horrible attitude, since their entrance in the EU. I think De Gaulle comments when he vetoed (twice!) their entrance were absolutely spot on.
If anything, Thatcher summarized Britain's attitude with her infamous "I want my money back". That's not how you build a union.
There was many claims of the leave campaign. Being able to set tariffs wasn't one of the main claims as far as I can recall. There were claims that UK would be economically better off by being able to persue its own trade deals with certain countries outside the EU. Those countries being China and Russia.
Ah alright, I just assumed that when I saw/heard tariffs they were talking about that. Guess I should keep my economical ignorant ass out of here as well heh.
On July 05 2016 07:34 Uldridge wrote: I was going to ask something, but I just realised something ironic, don'tk now if it's correct or not, but it's the following.
One of the main points of the Brexit campaign was being able to set their own tariffs on goods or some shit, right? But when the single market has to be changed or even completely abolished for the UK, don't they have to pay extra on those "4 freedoms" anyway? So at best they'll just come out in a break-even, right? (which, let's be honest, if it comes to negotiations and an actual leave, won't be a break-even)
The point was we can now arrange trade deals with many more countries around the world, reducing tariffs and it's very unlikely that there will be any new tariffs in our deal with the EU, it will largely remain as it is.
How would arranging your own trade deals become more beneficial? Doesn't the EU have a massive department for getting good deals for individual nations/corporations residing in EU nations towards other nations/with eachother?
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