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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 06 2016 00:50 Diabolique wrote: GBP/USD 1.3025 The British Pound made another small step towards its goal, parity with USD. Expecting to break 1.30 before the end today, 1.0 before the end of the year. Sell them pounds fast ! | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5195 Posts
 )I don't see the EU like you do, so I can already find a distinction in how people can view it, and many more views, without any education on the topic could be had. A virtue of having a degree, however, is that you know how to find knowledge and the information you seek for/need to construct a/your view with much better efficiency. The internet is a place for everyone, yet I don't think the common class uses it in the same way as people with a degree, nor do I even think they use it as frequently (unless to look at shit from facebook or something). I think you have a distorted view on how people with low(er) income/education behave and how they are actually extremely disadvantages in understanding the nuances that drive alot of things in the world. I'm pretty sure you could write hundreds of pages on the matter of Brexit, or the EU as a flawed institution, however, I'm pretty sure it's going to be extremely difficult to even get 5 coherent sentences out of a random person on the street concerning these topics. You want to know why? They don't inherently care (and nor should they for that matter, they just want to live their life). | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10156 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Well, it's not different for EUR :-) 1.0 to USD incoming as well :-) | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On another issue there is the problem with the obvious goal for creating EU army, then how they handled Greece and Italy's financial crisis etc. I wont even go into what TTIP does to democracy and the sovereignity of countries. So basically what I want to say is that EU policy is centralisation that should culminate in a superstate and I personally do not like that, so if we would hold a refendum today again i would vote for not entering the EU. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On July 06 2016 00:50 Diabolique wrote: GBP/USD 1.3025 The British Pound made another small step towards its goal, parity with USD. Expecting to break 1.30 before the end today, 1.0 before the end of the year. 1.29982 TOUCHDOOOOWN | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10932 Posts
On July 06 2016 00:24 WhiteDog wrote: At least the Brexit delivered. The whining is strong in europe, and I love it. You take voters for idiots really ... Anybody with some education on the current europe would have predicted what happened. You're from switzerland you should know what the UK is trying to achieve : they aim to be a freerider, like your country, because the country that actually follow the rules in germania are getting crushed. The british government is already reducing taxation on capital as we speak. This is the game that the EU created, and the UK decided to play it. Mind to enlighten me where we freeride exactly? When compared to sweden, denmark or the netherlands? Aside from the fact that we basically have no vote/power and have to accept EU law else our "freeride" is gone. In france you got a ~35h workweek... talk about freeriding please. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On July 06 2016 01:11 Velr wrote: Mind to enlighten me where we freeride exactly? When compared to sweden, denmark or the netherlands? Aside from the fact that we basically have no vote/power and have to accept EU law else our "freeride" is gone. In france you got a ~35h workweek... talk about freeriding please. Well, there are many freeriders in the current Europe :-) France and Italy with their low working morale and low quality production? Greece with the highest number of blind drivers (when you have a doctor's certificate that you are blind, you get high disability welfare benefits ... and you need a driving license to properly run your shadow economy business, from which you of course don't pay any taxes ...)? It is difficult to call Germany a freerider, as it finances all this French, Italian and Greek freeriders, but I still consider Germany the biggest freerider because of EUR. They finance all the other states, but they do the unpleasant thing, that they export unemployment to all the lazy southern European countries and they completely dominate Europe with their high quality low cost (because of EUR) production ... | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6303 Posts
On July 05 2016 22:56 jello_biafra wrote: True He didn't get sacked from anything, but he's not going to become leader like he hoped Corbyn has been anti-EU for a good 40 years, most of the party wants him gone but he's more in line with the voters than anyone else in the party Farage achieved his life goal, I don't get why anyone is angry at him for retiring, he's not going to be given a role in the negotiations so what else does he have left to do? All that said we do have a bit of a lack of decent politicians, Jacob Rees-Mogg should be PM imo How is Corbyn more in line with voters? He's more left than Milliband who got slaughtered by the Tories in the election. Gove was forgotten in that list btw. Betrayed 2 school friends to have a chance st pm. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5195 Posts
On July 06 2016 00:57 Godwrath wrote: Do you really think it would be different for a random person who voted remain ? No, that's not what I mean at all. It's not like the remain voters were overrepresented in the educational aspect. I think stuff on that, when something dichotomous like remain/leave is put up for a national vote is roughly even. So, my conclusion is that the main populace just doesn't really want to bother with politics and just kinda votes on their gut feeling or whatever influenced them the most, like commercials. It's the exact same thing when some random dude comments on how a soccer team should be drafted/played. They all seem to know how to be the coach, but forget every nuance / strategy that goes into it. That being said, I still believe the potential strategic element of soccer isn't completely utilized AND I hate the sport (just like politics actually). | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
Corbyn is not in line with voters at all. If you ask Corbyn the problems he has with the EU, it is /not/ the free movement of people. Most people that voted to leave just hate the "paki's taking our jobs", I would be amazed if those people share many of Corbyn's principles | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On July 06 2016 01:31 Zealos wrote: @Jello Corbyn is not in line with voters at all. If you ask Corbyn the problems he has with the EU, it is /not/ the free movement of people. Most people that voted to leave just hate the "paki's taking our jobs", I would be amazed if those people share many of Corbyn's principles You know that the Pakistanis voted to leave? That was even in our newspapers :-) They were angry, that the Poles were taking their (Pakistanis') jobs :-) | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
Honestly I don't even mean it in a nasty way, its just generally, those who have had less opportunity in life, and those who aren't happy with their lives voted for their first chance at a real change in years | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 06 2016 01:36 Diabolique wrote: You know that the Pakistanis voted to leave? That was even in our newspapers :-) They were angry, that the Poles were taking their (Pakistanis') jobs :-) Ironic because some of Brexit voters thought they would be free from non-EU immigrants by leaving EU. That's exactly why you don't give economic referendums to plebs. Pound is now considerably weaker, and that will affect us when we go on holiday. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
The EU Parliament approved emission limits for lawnmowers and bulldozers The image is that they are approving millions of nonsense regulations about the shape of bananas, emissions of lawnmovers, but are unable to deal with millions of economic migrants, flooding Europe. EDIT: unable and unwilling | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5195 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 06 2016 01:59 Diabolique wrote: So that people have an idea about the image, which the EU has in my country, the second most Eurosceptical country after the UK (so after BREXIT, we will be the most Eurosceptical country in the EU), our newspapers have just now a new headline: The EU Parliament approved emission limits for lawnmowers and bulldozers The image is that they are approving millions of nonsense regulations about the shape of bananas, emissions of lawnmovers, but are unable to deal with millions of economic migrants, flooding Europe. EDIT: unable and unwilling Either the Czech Republic is underrepresented on news or you exaggerate. I thought Marine Le Pen's party is the most eurosceptic. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On July 06 2016 02:13 Shield wrote: Either the Czech Republic is underrepresented on news or you exaggerate. I thought Marine Le Pen's party is the most eurosceptic. Well, Le Pen is probably more eurosceptic than we are, but how many French people support her? 15%? So there might be about 20% Eurosceptic people in France. There are for sure more than 50% Eurosceptic people in the Czech Republic. In a recent sample "referendum", organized by the biggest Czech newspaper before the BREXIT voting, 53% (out of 100.000 participating people) voted for the Czech Republic leaving the EU. And that was on June 21. Even our proEuropean political parties have a specific plan, when to introduce Euro as our currency (which is required by the EU) - NEVER! | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 06 2016 02:23 Diabolique wrote: Well, Le Pen is probably more eurosceptic than we are, but how many French people support her? 15%? So there might be about 20% Eurosceptic people in France. There are for sure more than 50% Eurosceptic people in the Czech Republic. In a recent sample "referendum", organized by the biggest Czech newspaper before the BREXIT voting, 53% (out of 100.000 participating people) voted for the Czech Republic leaving the EU. And that was on June 21. Even our proEuropean political parties have a specific plan, when to introduce Euro as our currency (which is required by the EU) - NEVER! Actually, closer to 30+%. We also have quite a few of our traditional right-wing politicians blaming the EU for mistakes they made while in power. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 06 2016 02:23 Diabolique wrote: Well, Le Pen is probably more eurosceptic than we are, but how many French people support her? 15%? So there might be about 20% Eurosceptic people in France. There are for sure more than 50% Eurosceptic people in the Czech Republic. In a recent sample "referendum", organized by the biggest Czech newspaper before the BREXIT voting, 53% (out of 100.000 participating people) voted for the Czech Republic leaving the EU. And that was on June 21. Even our proEuropean political parties have a specific plan, when to introduce Euro as our currency (which is required by the EU) - NEVER! Percentages may matter in elections, but 30% in France is still more people than even 100% in the Czech Republic, so I can understand why France is more known for euroscepticism. Of course, 30% may not be enough to get France out of EU, while 53% in the Czech Republic is enough in a referendum. | ||
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