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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6229 Posts
On July 02 2016 23:35 GoTuNk! wrote: Democracy is good as long as you agree with my opinion. Freedom of speech is great, as long as you agree with me; if not it's hate speech and you should be jailed. Liberals. The right to protest is an expression of free speech and essential to a healthy democracy. The fact that you're a minority doesn't mean you should let the majority walk over you. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 02 2016 23:41 Deleuze wrote: Just because there was a (slim) majority vote one way, does delegitimize protest in favor of the other way. And this was a campaign with levels of misinformation, over-promising, media bias, scaremongering and scapegoating that put regular political campaigning to shame. Hardly the best example of democracy. I absolutely agree. If I were British, I'd feel cheated. Lots of misinformation. Go watch this professor's new video if you want to hear more. https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/07/01/watch-professor-michael-dougan-assesses-uks-position-following-vote-leave-eu/ Also, I live in a town in the UK. I didn't vote for Labour's warden this year because I didn't like their candidate. Past record shows Labour always wins, but I wasn't upset and I accepted result. On the other hand, most of Brexit's core claims were lies. I wasn't allowed to vote as an European national, but you can't call this democracy. It's just pure lies. Democracy works when you're given facts (not lies), then you make a decision based on them. Please don't deteriorate democracy. Edit: I also don't understand why Australians and Chileans care about this referendum to express an opinion here. Does it affect them? Not even 1%. Why bother? It affects British and European people mostly. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 03 2016 02:26 Godwrath wrote: Because this is kinda an international forum and people like to give their opinion ? More importantly, why does it bother you ? Because those guys want the UK to leave. They're not even European or British. What do they gain? It bothers me because Brexit AFFECTS people like me, European nationals. It will be similar to, if you have a Spanish thread, expressing an opinion that Catalonia should leave Spain. Do I gain anything? Nope. Does it affect you if Catalonia leaves? Yes. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
On July 03 2016 02:27 Shield wrote: So if they wanted britain to stay you wouldn't mind ? I disagree with pretty much anything that Gotunks posts on the general forum, but you just want to keep the thread as a against-brexit giant circlejerk. Specially if you take into account that this event actually "validates" people's thoughts all over the world (being right or not about it does not matter, but the discussion that we can have).Because those guys want the UK to leave. They're not even European or British. What do they gain? It bothers me because Brexit AFFECTS people like me, European nationals. It will be similar to, if you have a Spanish thread, expressing an opinion that Catalonia should leave Spain. Do I gain anything? Nope. Does it affect you if Catalonia leaves? Yes. It's a random forum, it absolutely affects noone. | ||
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On the other, however, significant geo-political events provide partisans with a convenient backdrop to their ideological spiel. It should be no surprise that posters like gotunk or nettles see an opportunity to publicly affirm their partisan commitments via characterizing the Brexit as a success for those that think like they do. This is not to say that liberals don't do the same thing, rather that these discussions make way more sense with that dynamic in mind. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 03 2016 02:33 Godwrath wrote: So if they wanted britain to stay you wouldn't mind ? I disagree with pretty much anything that Gotunks posts on the general forum, but you just want to keep the thread as a against-brexit giant circlejerk. Specially if you take into account that this event actually "validates" people's thoughts all over the world (being right or not about it does not matter, but the discussion that we can have). It's a random forum, it absolutely affects noone. Do you live in the UK? Just curious. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
Nope ? But i have very close friends living on the UK which obviously migrated due to the high unemployment on Spain. Did you find my answer satisfying enough to allow me to post or should my posting priviledges be revoked ? | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On July 03 2016 02:33 farvacola wrote: On one hand, the UK is a major player on the world stage and a primary source of cultural influence vis a vie its history of colonization. Accordingly, it only makes sense that folks from all over the place would have some kind of opinion on something as major as the Brexit, and given that this is an international forum, like godwrath said, it really is not a bad thing that they would voice it. On the other, however, significant geo-political events provide partisans with a convenient backdrop to their ideological spiel. It should be no surprise that posters like gotunk or nettles see an opportunity to publicly affirm their partisan commitments via characterizing the Brexit as a success for those that think like they do. This is not to say that liberals don't do the same thing, rather that these discussions make way more sense with that dynamic in mind. Well said. It's is valuable and to be expected to see international perspectives on this event. Although it is frustrating to see so much, as you say, affirmation of partisan politics as a superficial response to the topic rather than more of an in depth examination. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 03 2016 02:41 Godwrath wrote: Nope ? But i have very close friends living on the UK which obviously migrated due to the high unemployment on Spain. Did you find my answer satisfying enough to allow me to post or should my posting priviledges be revoked ? No, you just confirmed what I thought. If you don't live in some country, you don't care that much about what's happening there because it doesn't affect you personally. If you live there, then things are different. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On July 02 2016 23:35 GoTuNk! wrote: Democracy is good as long as you agree with my opinion. Freedom of speech is great, as long as you agree with me; if not it's hate speech and you should be jailed. Liberals. They can protest as much as they like, they just have to do it peacefully. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 03 2016 02:57 forsooth wrote: They can protest as much as they like, they just have to do it peacefully. That's why you have leaders of opposition in parliaments. If you apply his logic, then opposition will be blamed for not respecting majority. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10131 Posts
On July 03 2016 02:44 Shield wrote: Agreed, they don't care that much to want to silence anyone who disagrees with them, because they are being overly sensitive about it. I am done with this crap.No, you just confirmed what I thought. If you don't live in some country, you don't care that much about what's happening there because it doesn't affect you personally. If you live there, then things are different. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4836 Posts
What if this person has an insight that everyone else overlooks? Should his opinion be heard? What about a Chilean sociopolitical student, specialized in European law/politics, should this student voice his opinion? Seriously, even the referendum doesn't affect you personally, because you have NO FUCKING ACTIVE WAY OF CHANGING WHAT HIGHLY POWERFUL PEOPLE DO TO YOUR COUNTRY/INFRASTRUCTURE/.. Democracy is a hair away from a farce, if not already, and unless you start some kind of influencial movement to topple the way politics are taught/practised, you have as much of a right to post about the Brexit as the next random person. Fuck politics. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 03 2016 03:32 Uldridge wrote: I think it's pretty ridiculous to have someone who basically has no affiliation with a county, should refrain himself from voicing his opinion because it doesn't have anything to do with him personally. What if this person has an insight that everyone else overlooks? Should his opinion be heard? What about a Chilean sociopolitical student, specialized in European law/politics, should this student voice his opinion? Seriously, even the referendum doesn't affect you personally, because you have NO FUCKING ACTIVE WAY OF CHANGING WHAT HIGHLY POWERFUL PEOPLE DO TO YOUR COUNTRY/INFRASTRUCTURE/.. Democracy is a hair away from a farce, if not already, and unless you start some kind of influencial movement to topple the way politics are taught/practised, you have as much of a right to post about the Brexit as the next random person. Fuck politics. You seem a bit angry. Did you sleep the wrong way? Go take a glass of water and come back.  | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
This affects all of us. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 03 2016 03:52 LegalLord wrote: Britain is a big enough nation for this event to be felt all around the world. Just like the US politics thread has a massive number of Europeans discussing the US (and no one seems to mind), this thread has a large number of non-Brits discussing the Brexit (and all of one person seems to mind). This affects all of us. So if you're not from Europe (e.g. ordinary Chilean not some businessman) how does it affect you? | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On July 03 2016 03:56 Shield wrote: So if you're not from Europe (e.g. ordinary Chilean not some businessman) how does it affect you? You are not from the Korhal sector - what are you doing on a Starcraft forum? EDIT: Point being, we are all here because we like to discuss events of the world. We all have different opinions. Argue the opinions, not who is entitled to one - because we all are. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
I don't think anyone realistically can defend that position (and I doubt that the poster who started really meant it to the this degree anyway), and discussion is just derailing the thread. | ||
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