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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
June 30 2016 20:16 GMT
#3681
On July 01 2016 05:14 kollin wrote:
Guillotine them all and start again if you ask me

the entire country, I tell you! Guillotine them all, and start again from scratch.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-30 20:20:19
June 30 2016 20:17 GMT
#3682
On July 01 2016 05:16 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 05:14 kollin wrote:
Guillotine them all and start again if you ask me

the entire country, I tell you! Guillotine them all, and start again from scratch.


I don't know if you are joking, but that's how communists came in some countries. They claimed everyone was corrupt, then they founded "people's party", etc. The rest is known to everyone.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 30 2016 20:18 GMT
#3683
On July 01 2016 04:54 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 04:15 Zealos wrote:
hahaha

hyperbole does look so stupid sometimes


Really?

1. Campaigning for Brexit despite his prime minister.
2. His Brexit campaign wins, which is bad for UK's economy.
3. He backtracks, then he says that you shouldn't rush to leave.
4. He decides not to run for prime minister and conservative's leader.

You are either stupid or a leave voter. Or, maybe both.

Let me correct you a bit.
1. Bullshit, his prime minister was OK with it.
2. Bullshit, why should it be bad for UK's economy?
3. So what?
4. So what? Who knows who actually made the decision ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13977 Posts
June 30 2016 20:21 GMT
#3684
The closing off of or restriction on a nations ability to trade with its neighbors is never good for an economy. The only argument you can make for brexit is that the loss in economic value is worth the increase in national sovereignty.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 30 2016 20:23 GMT
#3685
On July 01 2016 05:21 Sermokala wrote:
The closing off of or restriction on a nations ability to trade with its neighbors is never good for an economy. The only argument you can make for brexit is that the loss in economic value is worth the increase in national sovereignty.

Are you an oracle? So far, nobody said, the nation will not be able to trade with its neighbors ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 30 2016 20:24 GMT
#3686
On July 01 2016 05:21 Sermokala wrote:
The closing off of or restriction on a nations ability to trade with its neighbors is never good for an economy. The only argument you can make for brexit is that the loss in economic value is worth the increase in national sovereignty.


its not about closing itself off its about opening it to the world.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21767 Posts
June 30 2016 20:24 GMT
#3687
On July 01 2016 05:11 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 05:00 bardtown wrote:
On July 01 2016 04:54 Shield wrote:
On July 01 2016 04:15 Zealos wrote:
hahaha

hyperbole does look so stupid sometimes


Really?

1. Campaigning for Brexit despite his prime minister.
2. His Brexit campaign wins, which is bad for UK's economy.
3. He backtracks, then he says that you shouldn't rush to leave.
4. He decides not to run for prime minister and conservative's leader.

You are either stupid or a leave voter. Or, maybe both.


Hope this guy will get banned, as I did for calling someone an 'idiot'.

Treason to campaign for a different outcome to the PM when the PM made it clear that the govt. were free to campaign as they wished? You are, dare I say it, an idiot.


No, treason is to risk your country's economy just to become the next PM. Just like what Boris Johnson was trying to do. Don't just tell half of the story. There is nothing wrong in having different views. What's wrong is when you do it for political gains, don't really believe in what you preach (Brexit in Johnson's case), while making your country less than stable.

Are you forgetting there was a democratic vote attached to this?
The leave campaign is not come military coup, it is a simple democratic decision.

Lying while campaigning is not a criminal offense (sadly). All the lies were debunked long before the referendum.
'Voters are dumb' is not treason.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
June 30 2016 20:48 GMT
#3688
Guys please stop reporting each other. You're all being super aggressive and I don't feel like banning most of you. We already have one terrible politics thread, we don't need a second one.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 30 2016 20:52 GMT
#3689
On July 01 2016 05:48 KadaverBB wrote:
Guys please stop reporting each other. You're all being super aggressive and I don't feel like banning most of you. We already have one terrible politics thread, we don't need a second one.

LOL. What is it reporting each other? :-)
Are some people in this thread seriously writing somewhere to some mods that somebody else does not agree with their stupid ideas? :-))) LOOOOL!!!
btw. - how do you do it? Write personal message to Kadaver BB??? :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21767 Posts
June 30 2016 20:57 GMT
#3690
On July 01 2016 05:52 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 05:48 KadaverBB wrote:
Guys please stop reporting each other. You're all being super aggressive and I don't feel like banning most of you. We already have one terrible politics thread, we don't need a second one.

LOL. What is it reporting each other? :-)
Are some people in this thread seriously writing somewhere to some mods that somebody else does not agree with their stupid ideas? :-))) LOOOOL!!!
btw. - how do you do it? Write personal message to Kadaver BB??? :-)

Ehm, you just use the report button that comes with every post?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
June 30 2016 20:57 GMT
#3691
On July 01 2016 05:52 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 05:48 KadaverBB wrote:
Guys please stop reporting each other. You're all being super aggressive and I don't feel like banning most of you. We already have one terrible politics thread, we don't need a second one.

LOL. What is it reporting each other? :-)
Are some people in this thread seriously writing somewhere to some mods that somebody else does not agree with their stupid ideas? :-))) LOOOOL!!!
btw. - how do you do it? Write personal message to Kadaver BB??? :-)



Na, there is a report button, you only get it after being registered for a year though.

Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 30 2016 20:59 GMT
#3692
On July 01 2016 05:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 05:52 Diabolique wrote:
On July 01 2016 05:48 KadaverBB wrote:
Guys please stop reporting each other. You're all being super aggressive and I don't feel like banning most of you. We already have one terrible politics thread, we don't need a second one.

LOL. What is it reporting each other? :-)
Are some people in this thread seriously writing somewhere to some mods that somebody else does not agree with their stupid ideas? :-))) LOOOOL!!!
btw. - how do you do it? Write personal message to Kadaver BB??? :-)

Ehm, you just use the report button that comes with every post?

Aaaah, I see, thanks.
I thought somebody writing personal message to KadaverAA: "Dear mod! I am stupid, but someone just called me to be what I am. Ban him please!"
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 30 2016 21:13 GMT
#3693
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
June 30 2016 21:16 GMT
#3694
On July 01 2016 05:21 Sermokala wrote:
The closing off of or restriction on a nations ability to trade with its neighbors is never good for an economy. The only argument you can make for brexit is that the loss in economic value is worth the increase in national sovereignty.

There are time when a trading restriction is beneficial.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13977 Posts
June 30 2016 21:51 GMT
#3695
On July 01 2016 06:16 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2016 05:21 Sermokala wrote:
The closing off of or restriction on a nations ability to trade with its neighbors is never good for an economy. The only argument you can make for brexit is that the loss in economic value is worth the increase in national sovereignty.

There are time when a trading restriction is beneficial.

How is that? The UK for hundreds of years has benefited from opening new markets and lowering barriers for it to trade.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
June 30 2016 22:25 GMT
#3696
Will the sterling now stabilise until the election of new PM?
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 30 2016 22:29 GMT
#3697
On July 01 2016 07:25 Shield wrote:
Will the sterling now stabilise until the election of new PM?

No.

Why did nobody mention the great name of today's events BOREXIT? :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
July 01 2016 04:45 GMT
#3698
I thought + Show Spoiler +
is a rather interesting video from Professor Michael Dougan where he assesses UK’s position following vote to leave the EU.

The University of Liverpool Law School Professor Michael Dougan has spent his career studying EU law as it relates to the UK.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 01 2016 05:09 GMT
#3699
Protectionism might reduce economy but can be benefecial for citizens within the country(CAN not always), people also like distribution of wealth etc, that is not to say Brexit is a good idea to go about it but more "economy/GDP" is not always the most important factor.
WriterXiao8~~
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
July 01 2016 06:52 GMT
#3700
On July 01 2016 13:45 Banaora wrote:
I thought + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI
is a rather interesting video from Professor Michael Dougan where he assesses UK’s position following vote to leave the EU.

The University of Liverpool Law School Professor Michael Dougan has spent his career studying EU law as it relates to the UK.


He's a funny man, because he claims to be unbiased but then spends his entire time picking apart straw men. We know, for example, that the UK can veto Turkey's membership of the EU - but it categorically would not do so given that it was the UK govt that most eagerly pushed for Turkey's membership in the first place, because they were so keen to expand the market.

He says that it is a common lie that the EU commission adopts legislation. I would challenge him to give me one single example where this has been claimed to be the case. The EU commission proposes legislation and dictates policy making direction. These are powers the parliament does not have.

We know, as well, that the UK could have, in theory, vetoed treaties leading to further integration. I say in theory, because in practice they have failed to do so. The British public would never have voted in favour of the Lisbon treaty. The Irish rejected it... until they were made to take another vote. The French and Dutch also rejected it, in its earlier form as the EU constitution, through referenda, so they renamed it and didn't give the French/Dutch public another say. The national govts of Europe are absolutely complicit in what has been happening with the EU, so this result is a message to them just as much as it is a message to the EU itself. It is time to start standing up for your people.
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