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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 06:09:50
June 24 2016 06:09 GMT
#2321
On June 24 2016 15:07 acker wrote:
Personally, I see voting as more like jury duty than, say, soup kitchen volunteerism.


Eurpoeans can't really relate, at least to my knowledge there isn't much jury duty in europe. If at all.

edit

Laziness is no excuse for such a basic political participation.


Especially since in parts of the country you can do it by mail.
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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 06:11:12
June 24 2016 06:10 GMT
#2322
On June 24 2016 15:09 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 15:07 acker wrote:
Personally, I see voting as more like jury duty than, say, soup kitchen volunteerism.


Eurpoeans can't really relate, at least to my knowledge there isn't much jury duty in europe. If at all.

It depends on the country in Europe. I don't know if even most European countries use only a judge.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 24 2016 06:10 GMT
#2323
On June 24 2016 15:09 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 15:07 acker wrote:
Personally, I see voting as more like jury duty than, say, soup kitchen volunteerism.


Eurpoeans can't really relate, at least to my knowledge there isn't much jury duty in europe. If at all.

edit

Show nested quote +
Laziness is no excuse for such a basic political participation.


Especially since in parts of the country you can do it by mail.

I always wondered if we have that at all somewhere since movies and all tells you that's how it works in the US
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
June 24 2016 06:12 GMT
#2324
I only know it from movies too. The revolving door, pretty much.
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Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
June 24 2016 06:13 GMT
#2325
Take a screenshot of your FX trackers today and save it because it's not often going to look like that
Markets are going to be a proper mess today that's for sure
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
June 24 2016 06:13 GMT
#2326
Global markets buckled as Britain’s vote on European Union membership infected every asset class.

The pound plunged by a record and the euro slid by the most since it was introduced in 1999 as the BBC projected a victory for the "Leave" campaign with most votes counted in Britain’s referendum on membership of the European Union. South Africa’s rand led slides among the currencies of commodity-exporting nations as oil sank to about $47 a barrel and industrial metals slumped. The yen surged and gold soared with U.S. Treasuries as investors piled into haven assets. Futures on the FTSE 100 Index plunged with S&P 500 Index contracts as Asian stocks dropped by the most in five years.

“It’s scary, and I’ve never seen anything like it,” said James Butterfill, head of research and investments at ETF Securities, said by phone from London. “We’re going to see outflows from basically any kind of cyclical asset. A lot of people were caught out, and many investors will lose a lot of money.”

The debate over the U.K.’s EU membership has dominated investor sentiment throughout June, with appetite for riskier assets having built up over the past week as bookmakers’ odds suggested the chance of a so-called Brexit was less than one in four. The victory for the "Leave" campaign will fan speculation that more countries could withdraw from the EU and finance officials in the world’s biggest economies may intervene as reaction in financial markets proves reminiscent of late 2008, at the height of the global financial crisis.

At 5:11 a.m. London time, BBC projections showed voters backing “Leave” by 52 percent to 48 percent. U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron warned Brexit would tip the country into recession, while JPMorgan Chase & Co. and HSBC Holdings Plc warned such as outcome would lead them to move thousands of jobs out of London.

These are among the most notable moves in global financial markets:

British pound falls as much as 11 percent to $1.3229, weakest since 1985

Yen jumps 4.7 percent to 101.36 per dollar, after surging past 100 for first time since 2013

Japan’s Topix index leads Asian stock losses, down 7.9 percent

FTSE 100 Index futures tumble 8 percent; S&P 500 Index contracts slump as much as 5.1 percent, the maximum move allowed

Yield on 10-year Treasuries drops 29 basis points to 1.46 percent, set for biggest daily decline since 2009; similar Japanese yield reaches record-low minus 0.215

New York crude oil retreats 6.3 percent to $46.93 a barrel, poised for biggest loss since Jan. 20

Gold rallies as much as 8.1 percent to $1,358.54 an ounce, highest since March 2014

South Africa’s rand plunged 6.4 percent against the dollar and reached a record low versus the yen; Mexico’s peso slid 6.1 percent to 19.33, near its all-time low

Poland’s zloty dropped by the most since 1993

The iTraxx Asia index of credit-default swaps rose by the most in three months

The pound was down 9.8 percent as of 2:15 p.m. in Tokyo, more than double its previous record drop of 4.1 percent recorded in 1992, when the currency was was forced out of Europe’s exchange-rate mechanism.

“This is a very challenging situation but the reality is that market liquidity and overall liquidity in the U.K. is drying up as we speak in a very rapid way,” said John Woods, chief investment officer for Asia-Pacific at Credit Suisse Private Banking, told Bloomberg TV in Hong Kong. “It’s highly likely that we see monetary easing in a coordinated response” from central banks across the world, he said.


The euro slumped 3.8 percent, while currencies in Norway, Sweden and Turkey posted even steeper losses.

Japan’s currency jumped by the most since 1998 versus the dollar.

“All hell is breaking loose,” says Vishnu Varathan, a senior economist in Singapore at Mizuho Bank Ltd. “The only surefire is you buy yen, you buy U.S. Treasuries, you buy gold, and you sit tight."

Stocks
The MSCI Asia Pacific Index declined 4.3 percent as benchmarks retreated across the region.

British insurer Prudential Plc, HSBC and Standard Chartered Plc all slid more than 10 percent in Hong Kong. Glencore Plc tumbled 13 percent.

Commodities
The Bloomberg Commodity Index fell 2.1 percent, its biggest loss of the year.

Crude oil tumbled as much as 6.8 percent in New York. Copper and nickel dropped more than 3 percent in London. Gold was up 5.9 percent.

“Gold will be a preferred safe-haven asset with a ‘Leave’ vote,” said Barnabas Gan, an economist at Singapore-based Oversea-Chinese Banking Corp, who forecast that it could rally to as much as $1,400 if ‘Remain’ loses. Bullion’s expected to remain volatile until the final verdict is out, according to Gan.

www.bloomberg.com
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
June 24 2016 06:14 GMT
#2327
On June 24 2016 15:13 Cam Connor wrote:
Take a screenshot of your FX trackers today and save it because it's not often going to look like that
Markets are going to be a proper mess today that's for sure

The British pound fell as much as 9.5 percent to $1.3467 and was at $1.3495 as of 12:23 p.m. on Friday in Tokyo
The yen rose 4.2 percent to 101.92 per dollar, having earlier strengthened to 99.02 per dollar earlier
The euro was down 3 percent at $1.1045
The Australian dollar dropped 2.8 percent to 74.02 cents
The New Zealand dollar fell 2.5 percent to 70.71 cents
The Mexican peso slid 3.9 percent to 18.97 per dollar
The South African rand depreciated 5 percent to 15.16 versus the greenback
The Swiss franc was 1.5 percent lower at 97.28 centimes per dollar
Norway’s krone slid 6.2 percent to 8.6804 per dollar
Poland’s zloty was down 5.9 percent at 4.073 against the U.S. currency

www.bloomberg.com
And the day just started.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 24 2016 06:15 GMT
#2328
On June 24 2016 13:20 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 13:05 KwarK wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:03 LegalLord wrote:
Yeah, going against a major national vote goes down much more poorly than supporting any given position without that factor. A defect against this vote is really going to be quite shitty for the political career of anyone who does it.

Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.


could see Denmark and netherlands holding referendum if #Brexit wins

Dutch person here,

I have not heard anybody about a Dutch referendum for leaving the EU (except for our local Clown Trump), and after the disaster that was this years' referendum, I doubt it'd be easy to get going without changing some of those laws first (min 30% participation, it's very likely that rule completely fucked over the results of the Ukraine referendum)
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
June 24 2016 06:15 GMT
#2329
Pound lowest since 1985? Lmao
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 24 2016 06:16 GMT
#2330
On June 24 2016 15:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 15:03 maartendq wrote:
On June 24 2016 14:58 m4ini wrote:
On June 24 2016 14:57 maartendq wrote:
On June 24 2016 14:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Congrats to the UK on your freedom.

I'm surprised the voter turnout is so high; do many other democratic countries get over 70% voter turnouts?

Belgium gets easily over 90% because voting is compulsory. Not showing up to vote can get you a €500 fine.


Didn't know that.

Actually not a dumb idea.

I like it too. Belgium's incredibly diverse political landscape is probably the result of that, which is a good thing.


Wouldn't that create a problem of uneducated or apathetic voters who wouldn't normally vote doing so only to avoid the fine?

The vast majority of voters is completely clueless when it comes to political, social and economic issues. However, that does not mean that they shouldn't have their voices heard. Because some of them are indeed apathetic they need to be given an incentive to actually exercise their rights as a Belgian citizen.

Right now we have no less than 13 political parties in our federal chamber of representatives. While this does indeed create its own problems and inefficiencies from time to time, the chance that voters do find a party they can align with is bigger than in the UK's two-party system.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
June 24 2016 06:16 GMT
#2331
European countries don't have juries? I guess juries are more of a British Common Law thing...
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
June 24 2016 06:16 GMT
#2332
On June 24 2016 15:15 Laurens wrote:
Pound lowest since 1985? Lmao

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© Current year.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 24 2016 06:18 GMT
#2333
On June 24 2016 15:16 Wegandi wrote:
European countries don't have juries? I guess juries are more of a British Common Law thing...

Oddly enough, Russia has them as well, even though it's well outside of the British style of governance.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 06:18:44
June 24 2016 06:18 GMT
#2334
On June 24 2016 15:15 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 13:20 amazingxkcd wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:05 KwarK wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:03 LegalLord wrote:
Yeah, going against a major national vote goes down much more poorly than supporting any given position without that factor. A defect against this vote is really going to be quite shitty for the political career of anyone who does it.

Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.


could see Denmark and netherlands holding referendum if #Brexit wins

Dutch person here,

I have not heard anybody about a Dutch referendum for leaving the EU (except for our local Clown Trump), and after the disaster that was this years' referendum, I doubt it'd be easy to get going without changing some of those laws first (min 30% participation, it's very likely that rule completely fucked over the results of the Ukraine referendum)


BBC says 54% of Dutch voters want to have a referendum.

As to what shakes out between the UK and the EU, there is nothing keeping the UK and EU from coming to very friendly arrangements except human emotion. If the EU wants to act all butthurt and/or whoever runs the UK after Cameron wants to be a sore winner, then both sides could tit-for-tat each other and harm everyone. If they want to put their emotions aside, satisfactory arrangements for commerce between the UK and EU member states can and will be found.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
June 24 2016 06:19 GMT
#2335
You guys do own gold right? or silver? Seriously do not put all your faith in fiat paper currencies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 24 2016 06:20 GMT
#2336
On June 24 2016 15:16 Wegandi wrote:
European countries don't have juries? I guess juries are more of a British Common Law thing...

I just googled for germany because frankly I wasn't sure myself if we might have it in some rare cases. For Germany only:
+ Show Spoiler [random google] +
For anyone that becomes involved in a legal proceeding there are a number of different courts in which their case may be heard - depending on the nature and seriousness of the case. There are also a number of different higher courts to which appeals can be made. The number of and types of judges that hear cases and make rulings may also vary depending on the type of issue involved.

There is no such thing as a jury trial in Germany and judges take on a more active role in court proceedings. Court procedures are otherwise similar to a jury trial in the USA. Under German law the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6322 Posts
June 24 2016 06:20 GMT
#2337
On June 24 2016 15:18 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 15:15 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:20 amazingxkcd wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:05 KwarK wrote:
On June 24 2016 13:03 LegalLord wrote:
Yeah, going against a major national vote goes down much more poorly than supporting any given position without that factor. A defect against this vote is really going to be quite shitty for the political career of anyone who does it.

Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.


could see Denmark and netherlands holding referendum if #Brexit wins

Dutch person here,

I have not heard anybody about a Dutch referendum for leaving the EU (except for our local Clown Trump), and after the disaster that was this years' referendum, I doubt it'd be easy to get going without changing some of those laws first (min 30% participation, it's very likely that rule completely fucked over the results of the Ukraine referendum)


BBC says 54% of Dutch voters want to have a referendum.

As to what shakes out between the UK and the EU, there is nothing keeping the UK and EU from coming to very friendly arrangements except human emotion. If the EU wants to act all butthurt and/or whoever runs the UK after Cameron wants to be a sore winner, then both sides could tit-for-tat each other and harm everyone. If they want to put their emotions aside, satisfactory arrangements for commerce between the UK and EU member states can and will be found.

Our referendums are non binding though and the last one was a total disaster with 32% or something turning out.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
June 24 2016 06:22 GMT
#2338
Estoxx down 12% before opening. This will be a fun day.
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 06:26:32
June 24 2016 06:25 GMT
#2339
On June 24 2016 15:20 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 15:16 Wegandi wrote:
European countries don't have juries? I guess juries are more of a British Common Law thing...

I just googled for germany because frankly I wasn't sure myself if we might have it in some rare cases. For Germany only:
+ Show Spoiler [random google] +
For anyone that becomes involved in a legal proceeding there are a number of different courts in which their case may be heard - depending on the nature and seriousness of the case. There are also a number of different higher courts to which appeals can be made. The number of and types of judges that hear cases and make rulings may also vary depending on the type of issue involved.

There is no such thing as a jury trial in Germany and judges take on a more active role in court proceedings. Court procedures are otherwise similar to a jury trial in the USA. Under German law the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty.


Interesting. I guess I should be more grateful for Runnymede :p
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Linear
Profile Blog Joined August 2015
60 Posts
June 24 2016 06:25 GMT
#2340
Fuck this anyone who voted leave I'm disgusted by you. You're just a closet or open racist, thanks for fucking the pound.
This is a bunch of shit, Cameron is an idiot for being pressured into allowing the public to vote on this the public are a bunch of easily swayed sheeple.
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