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On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true.
"spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from.
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I welcome this sign of tolerance and am proud to be a member of this community once again!
I hope you're not serious. Please keep your religious beliefs your private matter and don't use your religion's books as sources of fact (oh, and I'm no expert on this by any means, but doesn't it also say to be tolerant, forgiving and loving to other human beings?).
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On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. Show nested quote +The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack
Where does that say he's gay? Sure sounds like you are just SAYING someone is gay, without any evidence for it, to try and discredit someone else. This is very dishonest of you.
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On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from.
"spoken like a true privileged BLANK person" is a shitty way to open up any argument. If you want to put the other side on the defensive and also sound like a total, unreasonable ass, use that opening every time.
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An opinion that is NOT backed by sources or evidence is a dumb opinion.
An opinion that is backed by sources and evidence is still an opinion, for which there are arguments.
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On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from.
If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often.
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On June 25 2013 05:33 ACrow wrote:I welcome this sign of tolerance and am proud to be a member of this community once again! I hope you're not serious. Please keep your religious beliefs your private matter and don't use your religion's books as sources of fact (oh, and I'm no expert on this by any means, but doesn't it also say to be tolerant, forgiving and loving to other human beings?).
omg did you read a thing I said?
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I just want to say I'm really proud of TL for this gesture.
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On June 25 2013 05:35 Djzapz wrote:
An opinion that is NOT backed by sources or evidence is a dumb opinion.
An opinion that is backed by sources and evidence is still an opinion, for which there are arguments. Arguments are external to the opinion.
No. Opinions are just preferences that aren't mutually exclusive with other opinions. When you state what you believe to be a fact (i.e. something that is mutually exclusive with different facts) you require evidence and you must make arguments.
"Homosexuality is gross." or "Homosexuality is against nature." or "Homosexuality is immoral." are mutually exclusive with "There's nothing wrong with homosexuality." Both sides require evidence or arguments and one side is most certainly wrong. In this case, the side arguing against homosexuality is able to provide no evidence and is wrong. (Also quite whiny cause they get really butthurt when people won't take their baseless facts as truth.)
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On June 25 2013 05:32 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. I hate to say it like this, but this post could only be written seriously by a straight white person. Because you seem to be a straight white person, you are completely blind to how the entire country has straight pride days every day (and for that matter, white pride days. It also extends racially). LBGT are underrepresented in the media, in commercials, in television, in movies, etc. Everywhere you go, you see straight people openly talking about their relationships, who they slept with, how their date went, what their wife did for them. And as a gay person you always have to look over your shoulder, 'is it okay for me to mention my girlfriend? maybe I should just say partner...' So, yea, some gay people might have a bit more pda in inappropriate places, but that is a reaction to the fact that for most of us, we can never have pda without looking over our shoulders. We can expect that most people will assume we are straight until proven otherwise. So you need a fucking straight pride day when everyone assumes that all but the most open LBGT people are straight? Really? Straight is the *norm*. I don't have anything against straight pride, except the fact that most of the time, straight pride is really just a reaction against LBGT pride, which *completely* ignores the huge difference in communities. One is marginalized, the other is celebrated as the universal norm.
Thank you for your consciousness raising post, I hope it isn't lost on this one.
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On June 25 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack Where do you get that he was gay?
He was patronizing a gay bar.
At any rate he certainly wasn't anti-gay and this was no hate crime.
I just found it interesting that the source the person linked didn't mention this. They way they paint the story it seems they were trying to portray it as a hate crime.
Even worse they criticize the media for not making a big deal of the fact the deceased were gay. In light of this not being a hate crime at all, it actually shows the media was being very tolerant and respectful of the victims.
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On June 25 2013 05:38 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:35 Djzapz wrote:
An opinion that is NOT backed by sources or evidence is a dumb opinion.
An opinion that is backed by sources and evidence is still an opinion, for which there are arguments. Arguments are external to the opinion. No. Opinions are just preferences that aren't mutually exclusive with other opinions. When you state what you believe to be a fact (i.e. something that is mutually exclusive with different facts) you require evidence and you must make arguments. "Homosexuality is gross." or "Homosexuality is against nature." or "Homosexuality is immoral." are mutually exclusive with "There's nothing wrong with homosexuality." Both sides require evidence or arguments and one side is most certainly wrong. In this case, the side arguing against homosexuality is able to provide no evidence and is wrong. (Also quite whiny cause they get really butthurt when people won't take their baseless facts as truth.)
There's nothing wrong with homosexuality is the nil position. It's neither a negative or positive assertion. A positive assertion would be to claim that homosexuality is superior, or inferior, good or bad. Saying there is nothing wrong with homosexuality is a response to saying something is wrong. It's a challenge for the claimant who claims that homosexuality is wrong, to offer up their reasons.
The extended version of the "nothing wrong with homosexuality" position is "there is, as far as I know, no reason to think that homosexuality is wrong".
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On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/Do straights have a historically significant moment like Stone Wall? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riotsIf not, then maybe you know why they have parades then? It's not like when blacks were protesting for civil rights, the people who said "why don't we have white parades?" didn't look fucking ignorant for saying that.
What you're saying is downright insulting to me. Let me repeat: I have nothing against LGBT folks in general; I am all for equal rights and equal opportunities for everyone, regardless of their sexuality. I just don't want their sexuality to be shoved in my face in my daily life; and people like you are doubly so annoying. It's about time people start moving on, just like modern legislation is moving on in terms of LGBT acceptance.
I'd go as far as to claim that the sooner the LGBT community itself stops making such a big deal of itself, the more people will come to accept it as normal rather than a freak show that some perceive it to be.
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i for one find the new tl logo highly discriminatory against colourblind people
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On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often.
How do I get rid of my privilege? Having all this privilege makes me feel unworthy.
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On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often.
That is a shitty way to argue and people don't like being told that they are "privileged" just because they exist. My girlfriend's entire immediate family has died of cancer and heart failure. If you called her privileged to make some argument about race or sexuality, she might spit in your face or slap you.
It is a terrible way to argue. People are not privileged because they exist and are a specific race, gender or sexuality. Those minorities are put at a disadvantage due to causes by society, which the person you are arguing with may have nothing to do with. The only thing you accomplish by saying that is pushing the person away from your argument and lumping them in with racist and homophobes.
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On June 25 2013 05:39 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack Where do you get that he was gay? He was patronizing a gay bar. At any rate he certainly wasn't anti-gay and this was no hate crime. I just found it interesting that the source the person linked didn't mention this. They way they paint the story it seems they were trying to portray it as a hate crime. Even worse they criticize the media for not making a big deal of the fact the deceased were gay. In light of this not being a hate crime at all, it actually shows the media was being very tolerant and respectful of the victims.
Yup. Everyone who frequents a gay bar is gay. No straight person ever goes to a gay bar because they're close to their houses, or cause they're friends with the bartender, or cause they like the drink specials, or to hang out with their gay friends. Nope, everyone who ever enters a gay bar is 100% gay and if you aren't, BE CAREFUL!! Cause the moment you go inside you'll become gay!
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On June 25 2013 05:39 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack Where do you get that he was gay? He was patronizing a gay bar. At any rate he certainly wasn't anti-gay and this was no hate crime. I just found it interesting that the source the person linked didn't mention this. They way they paint the story it seems they were trying to portray it as a hate crime. Even worse they criticize the media for not making a big deal of the fact the deceased were gay. In light of this not being a hate crime at all, it actually shows the media was being very tolerant and respectful of the victims.
He was a trouble maker, and had been tossed out. He was an unwelcome patron, if he was any kind of patron. If someone goes in a gay bar, they are then confirmed as gay? Stop trying to twist this for your own purposes.
And now you are acting as if you KNOW that this person did it. There was no conviction, only an arrest made, and a suspection of guilt based on hear say.
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On June 25 2013 05:41 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. How do I get rid of my privilege? Having all this privilege makes me feel unworthy.
You don't need to get rid of your privilege. What a lot of people don't understand about privilege is that no one is expecting some monumental charity work from you. Simply understanding why gay people need gay pride and that they are marginalized is all we expect. A lot of stuff you do the world considers normal. We're not so lucky. A little sympathy is all we want.
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On June 25 2013 05:43 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:39 Zaqwe wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack Where do you get that he was gay? He was patronizing a gay bar. At any rate he certainly wasn't anti-gay and this was no hate crime. I just found it interesting that the source the person linked didn't mention this. They way they paint the story it seems they were trying to portray it as a hate crime. Even worse they criticize the media for not making a big deal of the fact the deceased were gay. In light of this not being a hate crime at all, it actually shows the media was being very tolerant and respectful of the victims. He was a trouble maker, and had been tossed out. He was an unwelcome patron, if he was any kind of patron. If someone goes in a gay bar, they are then confirmed as gay? Stop trying to twist this for your own purposes.
But he twists arguments so well. It is his special talent.
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