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human rights are not political. TL is not political. There's actually not a single reason for discussion here, but keep on living in the stone age.
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On June 25 2013 05:11 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:09 Lucumo wrote:I don't like this, because this: On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff. So don't click the thread regarding it, and OMG, you've kept yourself away from this topic, you can view EVERYTHING ELSE on the front page without so much as noticing anything has changed. Kpop? still there. SC2 Forums? Still there! Dota2 forums? Omg, still there. 1 thread. OMG LIQUID SITE SUCKS NOW.
Why wouldn't I? People should normally want to inform themselves what all this is about.
Also, there is no SC2 section.
On June 25 2013 05:11 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:09 Lucumo wrote:I don't like this, because this: On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff. Equality is not purely about politics.
You are definitely right. But from what I read so far, the context seems political.
On June 24 2013 22:44 Arabidopsis wrote:
US Supreme Court are ruling about gay marriage.
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On June 25 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote: Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. That is a shitty way to argue and people don't like being told that they are "privileged" just because they exist. My girlfriend's entire immediate family has died of cancer and heart failure. If you called her privileged to make some argument about race or sexuality, she might spit in your face or slap you. It is a terrible way to argue. People are not privileged because they exist and are a specific race, gender or sexuality. Those minorities are put at a disadvantage due to causes by society, which the person you are arguing with may have nothing to do with. The only thing you accomplish by saying that is pushing the person away from your argument and lumping them in with racist and homophobes.
If your girlfriend was trying to tell the LGBT community to stop "shoving it in my face" in reference to parades, and pride week? I would say that she was behaving ignorantly because of her privilege. If she slapped me in the face for saying that, okay I guess I get slapped in the face. Doesn't make what I say any less true.
Sorry that cancer and heart failure runs in the family. I don't see what that has to do with people being born gay and then being discriminated against regularly by individuals, organizations, and the government in everyday life and law.
Has your girlfriend been told she can't go to the PTA meeting because people might be disturbed that she has heart failure and cancer in her family?
Has your girlfriend been told by the government she can't legally get married because she has heart failure and cancer in her family?
Has your girlfriend been worried about laid off, evicted, disowned, beaten, murdered, losing child custody, etc... because of her family history with heart failure and cancer?
The example you bring up, is not equivalent.
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On June 25 2013 05:43 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:39 Zaqwe wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack Where do you get that he was gay? He was patronizing a gay bar. At any rate he certainly wasn't anti-gay and this was no hate crime. I just found it interesting that the source the person linked didn't mention this. They way they paint the story it seems they were trying to portray it as a hate crime. Even worse they criticize the media for not making a big deal of the fact the deceased were gay. In light of this not being a hate crime at all, it actually shows the media was being very tolerant and respectful of the victims. He was a trouble maker, and had been tossed out. He was an unwelcome patron, if he was any kind of patron. If someone goes in a gay bar, they are then confirmed as gay? Stop trying to twist this for your own purposes. And now you are acting as if you KNOW that this person did it. There was no conviction, only an arrest made, and a suspection of guilt based on hear say.
I was just gonna say this. if he was a troublemaker and they kicked him out, he was probably someone who went to the gay bar knowingly and tried to start shit with the homosexual patrons there, and when they kicked him out, he started the fire in response. Jumping to 'he was gay' is a pretty HUUUUGE jump being made. Zaqwe please, don't jump to conclusions and then try to use factual references as evidence for your assumptions.
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On June 25 2013 05:41 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/Do straights have a historically significant moment like Stone Wall? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riotsIf not, then maybe you know why they have parades then? It's not like when blacks were protesting for civil rights, the people who said "why don't we have white parades?" didn't look fucking ignorant for saying that. What you're saying is downright insulting to me. Let me repeat: I have nothing against LGBT folks in general; I am all for equal rights and equal opportunities for everyone, regardless of their sexuality. I just don't want their sexuality to be shoved in my face in my daily life; and people like you are doubly so annoying. It's about time people start moving on, just like modern legislation is moving on in terms of LGBT acceptance. I'd go as far as to claim that the sooner the LGBT community itself stops making such a big deal of itself, the more people will come to accept it as normal rather than a freak show that some perceive it to be.
To reiterate my above post: Did you know that heterosexuality is shoved in my face every single day of my life if I so much as turn on the television or walk outside? Your complaints are difficult to take seriously. Please, take a step back. Instead of writing another post, walk away from the keyboard. Go outside, and look for how many signs of heterosexuality you can spot. They're *everywhere*. And then come back and tell me about how LBGT folks are shoving it down your throat in daily life.
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On June 25 2013 05:46 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:11 Kazeyonoma wrote:On June 25 2013 05:09 Lucumo wrote:I don't like this, because this: On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff. So don't click the thread regarding it, and OMG, you've kept yourself away from this topic, you can view EVERYTHING ELSE on the front page without so much as noticing anything has changed. Kpop? still there. SC2 Forums? Still there! Dota2 forums? Omg, still there. 1 thread. OMG LIQUID SITE SUCKS NOW. Why wouldn't I? People should normally want to inform themselves what all this is about. Also, there is no SC2 section. Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:11 Djzapz wrote:On June 25 2013 05:09 Lucumo wrote:I don't like this, because this: On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff. Equality is not purely about politics. You are definitely right. But from what I read so far, the context seems political. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 22:44 Arabidopsis wrote:
US Supreme Court are ruling about gay marriage.
What.
You clicked a link, regarding a RAINBOW TL logo, and didn't expect to find something about homosexual topics, and then you argue that you don't like reading about it? Why click it knowing it's gonna contain it.
And uhh, no SC2 section?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2
Looks like a section dedicated to SC2 to me.
The context is not political, it's about basic human rights, as Nazgul stated on his twitter, and it has less to do with the ruling and more to do with it being Gay Pride Week.
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On June 25 2013 05:44 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:41 Bagration wrote:On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. How do I get rid of my privilege? Having all this privilege makes me feel unworthy. You don't need to get rid of your privilege. What a lot of people don't understand about privilege is that no one is expecting some monumental charity work from you. Simply understanding why gay people need gay pride and that they are marginalized is all we expect. A lot of stuff you do the world considers normal. We're not so lucky. A little sympathy is all we want.
I would argue that "privilege" is a terrible word. People do not like being called "privileged". A better way to put it is that gay people need to remind homophobic people that they are not leaving and gays won't put up with their bullshit. If you are straight and you ever see someone who is gay being marginalized, any help would be pretty great.
Much like gays don't like being lumped into one group, all straight people don't like being lumped in with homophobic people.
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On June 25 2013 05:32 shinosai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. I hate to say it like this, but this post could only be written seriously by a straight white person. Because you seem to be a straight white person, you are completely blind to how the entire country has straight pride days every day (and for that matter, white pride days. It also extends racially). LBGT are underrepresented in the media, in commercials, in television, in movies, etc. Everywhere you go, you see straight people openly talking about their relationships, who they slept with, how their date went, what their wife did for them. And as a gay person you always have to look over your shoulder, 'is it okay for me to mention my girlfriend? maybe I should just say partner...' So, yea, some gay people might have a bit more pda in inappropriate places, but that is a reaction to the fact that for most of us, we can never have pda without looking over our shoulders. We can expect that most people will assume we are straight until proven otherwise. So you need a fucking straight pride day when everyone assumes that all but the most open LBGT people are straight? Really? Straight is the *norm*. I don't have anything against straight pride, except the fact that most of the time, straight pride is really just a reaction against LBGT pride, which *completely* ignores the huge difference in communities. One is marginalized, the other is celebrated as the universal norm.
I can see where you're coming from, but I can't agree with the arguments you're making at all. There are plenty of movies and TV series that focus on the theme of homosexuality, and it's almost a trite subject for musicians and artists these days. Perhaps it's just my social circles, but people talking about who they slept with or whatever are pretty much considered awkward and annoying - hence my annoyance at LGBT people doing it; I'd be just as frustrated with straight people doing the same.
What you say about having to look over the shoulder sounds reasonable... but then again, most people experience that at least to some extent; is she from a good enough background, is it okay for me to date a black guy, will my parents approve of her even though she didn't finish high school, etc etc. I'm not saying it's the same, but in our day (at least in my community) I don't think it is too different for LGBT people. The more 'progressive' parents and majority of our generation are pretty accepting of gays, and for every anti-LGBT bigot there is a jerk who thinks Asians are scum or anyone without a diploma isn't a real human being or what have you.
I agree that I probably have it easier in some regards than a trans or gay person - but then again, a guy born into a millionaire family has it easier than I do, too. I have issues of my own too, but I don't demand special treatment because of it.
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On June 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:41 Bagration wrote:On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. How do I get rid of my privilege? Having all this privilege makes me feel unworthy. You don't need to get rid of your privilege. What a lot of people don't understand about privilege is that no one is expecting some monumental charity work from you. Simply understanding why gay people need gay pride and that they are marginalized is all we expect. A lot of stuff you do the world considers normal. We're not so lucky. A little sympathy is all we want. I would argue that "privilege" is a terrible word. People do not like being called "privileged". A better way to put it is that gay people need to remind homophobic people that they are not leaving and gays won't put up with their bullshit. If you are straight and you ever see someone who is gay being marginalized, any help would be pretty great. Much like gays don't like being lumped into one group, all straight people don't like being lumped in with homophobic people.
I wasn't lumping all straights in with homophobes. I was responding to a particular individual who was being ignorant about their privilege.
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On June 25 2013 05:43 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:39 Zaqwe wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack Where do you get that he was gay? He was patronizing a gay bar. At any rate he certainly wasn't anti-gay and this was no hate crime. I just found it interesting that the source the person linked didn't mention this. They way they paint the story it seems they were trying to portray it as a hate crime. Even worse they criticize the media for not making a big deal of the fact the deceased were gay. In light of this not being a hate crime at all, it actually shows the media was being very tolerant and respectful of the victims. He was a trouble maker, and had been tossed out. He was an unwelcome patron, if he was any kind of patron. If someone goes in a gay bar, they are then confirmed as gay? Stop trying to twist this for your own purposes. And now you are acting as if you KNOW that this person did it. There was no conviction, only an arrest made, and a suspection of guilt based on hear say.
The only people trying to twist it are the ones that are implying it was a hate crime.
It's very obvious why that site that was first linked didn't mention motives or the suspect at all. It doesn't fit in with this narrative of oppression that the "biggest gay massacre" was committed by a gay-friendly (or possibly gay himself) patron whose motive was anger over being kicked out.
I don't understand why you are getting so upset with my for pointing this out.
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On June 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:41 Bagration wrote:On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. How do I get rid of my privilege? Having all this privilege makes me feel unworthy. You don't need to get rid of your privilege. What a lot of people don't understand about privilege is that no one is expecting some monumental charity work from you. Simply understanding why gay people need gay pride and that they are marginalized is all we expect. A lot of stuff you do the world considers normal. We're not so lucky. A little sympathy is all we want. I would argue that "privilege" is a terrible word. People do not like being called "privileged". A better way to put it is that gay people need to remind homophobic people that they are not leaving and gays won't put up with their bullshit. If you are straight and you ever see someone who is gay being marginalized, any help would be pretty great. Much like gays don't like being lumped into one group, all straight people don't like being lumped in with homophobic people.
But privilege is exactly what it is. Your day to day activities regarding your sexual orientation aren't judged and aren't derided. And your sexual orientation is catered to almost exclusively in every medium. That's privilege. The world caters to you. Just because straight people don't like the word doesn't mean we're going to stop using it given that it's completely appropriate. If they don't like being called privileged imagine how gay people must feel to not even be privileged at all.
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On June 25 2013 05:51 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:32 shinosai wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. I hate to say it like this, but this post could only be written seriously by a straight white person. Because you seem to be a straight white person, you are completely blind to how the entire country has straight pride days every day (and for that matter, white pride days. It also extends racially). LBGT are underrepresented in the media, in commercials, in television, in movies, etc. Everywhere you go, you see straight people openly talking about their relationships, who they slept with, how their date went, what their wife did for them. And as a gay person you always have to look over your shoulder, 'is it okay for me to mention my girlfriend? maybe I should just say partner...' So, yea, some gay people might have a bit more pda in inappropriate places, but that is a reaction to the fact that for most of us, we can never have pda without looking over our shoulders. We can expect that most people will assume we are straight until proven otherwise. So you need a fucking straight pride day when everyone assumes that all but the most open LBGT people are straight? Really? Straight is the *norm*. I don't have anything against straight pride, except the fact that most of the time, straight pride is really just a reaction against LBGT pride, which *completely* ignores the huge difference in communities. One is marginalized, the other is celebrated as the universal norm. I can see where you're coming from, but I can't agree with the arguments you're making at all. There are plenty of movies and TV series that focus on the theme of homosexuality, and it's almost a trite subject for musicians and artists these days. Perhaps it's just my social circles, but people talking about who they slept with or whatever are pretty much considered awkward and annoying - hence my annoyance at LGBT people doing it; I'd be just as frustrated with straight people doing the same. What you say about having to look over the shoulder sounds reasonable... but then again, most people experience that at least to some extent; is she from a good enough background, is it okay for me to date a black guy, will my parents approve of her even though she didn't finish high school, etc etc. I'm not saying it's the same, but in our day (at least in my community) I don't think it is too different for LGBT people. The more 'progressive' parents and majority of our generation are pretty accepting of gays, and for every anti-LGBT bigot there is a jerk who thinks Asians are scum or anyone without a diploma isn't a real human being or what have you. I agree that I probably have it easier in some regards than a trans or gay person - but then again, a guy born into a millionaire family has it easier than I do, too. I have issues of my own too, but I don't demand special treatment because of it.
What special treatment are they demanding?
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On June 25 2013 05:52 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:43 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:39 Zaqwe wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:30 Zaqwe wrote:Interesting. Your link didn't mention the primary suspect was a gay patron who had been kicked out of the bar earlier. The only suspect arrested for the attack was Rogder Dale Nunez,[1] a local hustler and troublemaker who had been tossed out of the bar earlier in the evening. [...] A friend later told investigators that Nunez confessed on at least four occasions to starting the fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack Where do you get that he was gay? He was patronizing a gay bar. At any rate he certainly wasn't anti-gay and this was no hate crime. I just found it interesting that the source the person linked didn't mention this. They way they paint the story it seems they were trying to portray it as a hate crime. Even worse they criticize the media for not making a big deal of the fact the deceased were gay. In light of this not being a hate crime at all, it actually shows the media was being very tolerant and respectful of the victims. He was a trouble maker, and had been tossed out. He was an unwelcome patron, if he was any kind of patron. If someone goes in a gay bar, they are then confirmed as gay? Stop trying to twist this for your own purposes. And now you are acting as if you KNOW that this person did it. There was no conviction, only an arrest made, and a suspection of guilt based on hear say. The only people trying to twist it are the ones that are implying it was a hate crime. It's very obvious why that site that was first linked didn't mention motives or the suspect at all. It doesn't fit in with this narrative of oppression that the "biggest gay massacre" was committed by a gay-friendly (or possibly gay himself) patron whose motive was anger over being kicked out. I don't understand why you are getting so upset with my for pointing this out.
Why do you think the person was gay-friendly? What evidence do you have of this?
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On June 25 2013 05:47 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. That is a shitty way to argue and people don't like being told that they are "privileged" just because they exist. My girlfriend's entire immediate family has died of cancer and heart failure. If you called her privileged to make some argument about race or sexuality, she might spit in your face or slap you. It is a terrible way to argue. People are not privileged because they exist and are a specific race, gender or sexuality. Those minorities are put at a disadvantage due to causes by society, which the person you are arguing with may have nothing to do with. The only thing you accomplish by saying that is pushing the person away from your argument and lumping them in with racist and homophobes. If your sister was trying to tell the LGBT community to stop "shoving it in my face" in reference to parades, and pride week? I would say that she was behaving ignorantly because of her privilege. If she slapped me in the face for saying that, okay I guess I get slapped in the face. Doesn't make what I say any less true. Sorry that cancer and heart failure runs in the family. I don't see what that has to do with people being born gay and then being discriminated against regularly by individuals, organizations, and the government in everyday life and law. Has your sister been told she can't go to the PTA meeting because people might be disturbed that she has heart failure and cancer in her family? Has your sister been told by the government she can't legally get married because she has heart failure and cancer in her family? Has your sister been worried about laid off, evicted, disowned, beaten, murdered, losing child custody, etc... because of her family history with heart failure and cancer? The example you bring up, is not equivalent.
Its my girlfriend, not my sister. If my sister lost her entire immediate family, I would be dead.
And the point is that calling someone "privileged" is a bad way to argue the point. People see being called "privileged" as insulting. It imparts the idea that they are no entitled to the place that they have in life. If you are trying to win people to helping and supporting you, don't open up by doing something they consider an insult.
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On June 25 2013 05:49 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:46 Lucumo wrote:On June 25 2013 05:11 Kazeyonoma wrote:On June 25 2013 05:09 Lucumo wrote:I don't like this, because this: On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff. So don't click the thread regarding it, and OMG, you've kept yourself away from this topic, you can view EVERYTHING ELSE on the front page without so much as noticing anything has changed. Kpop? still there. SC2 Forums? Still there! Dota2 forums? Omg, still there. 1 thread. OMG LIQUID SITE SUCKS NOW. Why wouldn't I? People should normally want to inform themselves what all this is about. Also, there is no SC2 section. On June 25 2013 05:11 Djzapz wrote:On June 25 2013 05:09 Lucumo wrote:I don't like this, because this: On June 24 2013 22:23 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Please keep esports away from politics, religion, sexuality and other stuff. Equality is not purely about politics. You are definitely right. But from what I read so far, the context seems political. On June 24 2013 22:44 Arabidopsis wrote:
US Supreme Court are ruling about gay marriage. What. You clicked a link, regarding a RAINBOW TL logo, and didn't expect to find something about homosexual topics, and then you argue that you don't like reading about it? Why click it knowing it's gonna contain it. And uhh, no SC2 section? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2Looks like a section dedicated to SC2 to me. The context is not political, it's about basic human rights, as Nazgul stated on his twitter, and it has less to do with the ruling and more to do with it being Gay Pride Week.
Are you sure you didn't misunderstand me?
I still don't have a SC2 section and am just playing along with his statement.
Both still seem to be at the same time, so you can see it like this or that.
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On June 25 2013 05:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:47 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. That is a shitty way to argue and people don't like being told that they are "privileged" just because they exist. My girlfriend's entire immediate family has died of cancer and heart failure. If you called her privileged to make some argument about race or sexuality, she might spit in your face or slap you. It is a terrible way to argue. People are not privileged because they exist and are a specific race, gender or sexuality. Those minorities are put at a disadvantage due to causes by society, which the person you are arguing with may have nothing to do with. The only thing you accomplish by saying that is pushing the person away from your argument and lumping them in with racist and homophobes. If your sister was trying to tell the LGBT community to stop "shoving it in my face" in reference to parades, and pride week? I would say that she was behaving ignorantly because of her privilege. If she slapped me in the face for saying that, okay I guess I get slapped in the face. Doesn't make what I say any less true. Sorry that cancer and heart failure runs in the family. I don't see what that has to do with people being born gay and then being discriminated against regularly by individuals, organizations, and the government in everyday life and law. Has your sister been told she can't go to the PTA meeting because people might be disturbed that she has heart failure and cancer in her family? Has your sister been told by the government she can't legally get married because she has heart failure and cancer in her family? Has your sister been worried about laid off, evicted, disowned, beaten, murdered, losing child custody, etc... because of her family history with heart failure and cancer? The example you bring up, is not equivalent. Its my girlfriend, not my sister. If my sister lost her entire immediate family, I would be dead. And the point is that calling someone "privileged" is a bad way to argue the point. People see being called "privileged" as insulting. It imparts the idea that they are no entitled to the place that they have in life. If you are trying to win people to helping and supporting you, don't open up by doing something they consider an insult.
Since when are heterosexuals entitled to having their orientation almost exclusively represented in every media?
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On June 25 2013 05:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:47 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 05:36 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:29 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:On June 25 2013 05:21 Aberu wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. Spoken like a true privileged straight person. http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/01/29-examples-of-heterosexual-privilege/ It's a similar argument to what Morgan Freeman poses towards race. Also; no need to post like a prick just cuz someone has a different opinion than you. Oh so Morgan Freeman said it's okay, therefore it's okay guys. Just like Louis CK says it's okay to call people faggots in his standup routine, therefore it's now okay. I don't agree with Morgan Freeman. I don't care if you think he is the ultimate authority of race wisdom. I don't agree with him. I'm not posting like a prick. I'm pointing out this person's privilege. If you are straight, you have access to more benefits and privileges in life. This isn't just an opinion, it's a fact, go on read the article and see if those things aren't true. "spoken like a true privileged straight person" is a pretty dick thing to say. I've heard the same argument multiple times from homosexuals. They rather keep the whole "we're gay and proud, and we're gunna show it all up in your face" out of the equation. You sure like to make assumptions about people you have no idea where they're from. If you are straight, like myself, you are privileged. It's not actually an insult to be privileged. It's insulting to shove your privilege off on other people through ignorance, as many people are doing. You do not live a DAY in the shoes of a homosexual who has to deal with 1 or all of the things in the link above, and think about them often. That is a shitty way to argue and people don't like being told that they are "privileged" just because they exist. My girlfriend's entire immediate family has died of cancer and heart failure. If you called her privileged to make some argument about race or sexuality, she might spit in your face or slap you. It is a terrible way to argue. People are not privileged because they exist and are a specific race, gender or sexuality. Those minorities are put at a disadvantage due to causes by society, which the person you are arguing with may have nothing to do with. The only thing you accomplish by saying that is pushing the person away from your argument and lumping them in with racist and homophobes. If your sister was trying to tell the LGBT community to stop "shoving it in my face" in reference to parades, and pride week? I would say that she was behaving ignorantly because of her privilege. If she slapped me in the face for saying that, okay I guess I get slapped in the face. Doesn't make what I say any less true. Sorry that cancer and heart failure runs in the family. I don't see what that has to do with people being born gay and then being discriminated against regularly by individuals, organizations, and the government in everyday life and law. Has your sister been told she can't go to the PTA meeting because people might be disturbed that she has heart failure and cancer in her family? Has your sister been told by the government she can't legally get married because she has heart failure and cancer in her family? Has your sister been worried about laid off, evicted, disowned, beaten, murdered, losing child custody, etc... because of her family history with heart failure and cancer? The example you bring up, is not equivalent. Its my girlfriend, not my sister. If my sister lost her entire immediate family, I would be dead. And the point is that calling someone "privileged" is a bad way to argue the point. People see being called "privileged" as insulting. It imparts the idea that they are no entitled to the place that they have in life. If you are trying to win people to helping and supporting you, don't open up by doing something they consider an insult.
Yeah I edited the post I don't know why I kept writing sister lol.
What word other than privilege accurately gets across the point that someone is privileged in society, and their opinion is based in ignorance since their view of the world is totally different, having been privileged.
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On June 25 2013 05:51 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:32 shinosai wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. I hate to say it like this, but this post could only be written seriously by a straight white person. Because you seem to be a straight white person, you are completely blind to how the entire country has straight pride days every day (and for that matter, white pride days. It also extends racially). LBGT are underrepresented in the media, in commercials, in television, in movies, etc. Everywhere you go, you see straight people openly talking about their relationships, who they slept with, how their date went, what their wife did for them. And as a gay person you always have to look over your shoulder, 'is it okay for me to mention my girlfriend? maybe I should just say partner...' So, yea, some gay people might have a bit more pda in inappropriate places, but that is a reaction to the fact that for most of us, we can never have pda without looking over our shoulders. We can expect that most people will assume we are straight until proven otherwise. So you need a fucking straight pride day when everyone assumes that all but the most open LBGT people are straight? Really? Straight is the *norm*. I don't have anything against straight pride, except the fact that most of the time, straight pride is really just a reaction against LBGT pride, which *completely* ignores the huge difference in communities. One is marginalized, the other is celebrated as the universal norm. I can see where you're coming from, but I can't agree with the arguments you're making at all. There are plenty of movies and TV series that focus on the theme of homosexuality, and it's almost a trite subject for musicians and artists these days. Perhaps it's just my social circles, but people talking about who they slept with or whatever are pretty much considered awkward and annoying - hence my annoyance at LGBT people doing it; I'd be just as frustrated with straight people doing the same. What you say about having to look over the shoulder sounds reasonable... but then again, most people experience that at least to some extent; is she from a good enough background, is it okay for me to date a black guy, will my parents approve of her even though she didn't finish high school, etc etc. I'm not saying it's the same, but in our day (at least in my community) I don't think it is too different for LGBT people. The more 'progressive' parents and majority of our generation are pretty accepting of gays, and for every anti-LGBT bigot there is a jerk who thinks Asians are scum or anyone without a diploma isn't a real human being or what have you. I agree that I probably have it easier in some regards than a trans or gay person - but then again, a guy born into a millionaire family has it easier than I do, too. I have issues of my own too, but I don't demand special treatment because of it.
So your point is that you don't like see other people celebrating what may or may not relates to you?
Have your mother never taught you about not raining on others' parades?
Seriously... what's wrong with people's common decency.
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On June 25 2013 05:51 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:32 shinosai wrote:On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. I hate to say it like this, but this post could only be written seriously by a straight white person. Because you seem to be a straight white person, you are completely blind to how the entire country has straight pride days every day (and for that matter, white pride days. It also extends racially). LBGT are underrepresented in the media, in commercials, in television, in movies, etc. Everywhere you go, you see straight people openly talking about their relationships, who they slept with, how their date went, what their wife did for them. And as a gay person you always have to look over your shoulder, 'is it okay for me to mention my girlfriend? maybe I should just say partner...' So, yea, some gay people might have a bit more pda in inappropriate places, but that is a reaction to the fact that for most of us, we can never have pda without looking over our shoulders. We can expect that most people will assume we are straight until proven otherwise. So you need a fucking straight pride day when everyone assumes that all but the most open LBGT people are straight? Really? Straight is the *norm*. I don't have anything against straight pride, except the fact that most of the time, straight pride is really just a reaction against LBGT pride, which *completely* ignores the huge difference in communities. One is marginalized, the other is celebrated as the universal norm. Perhaps it's just my social circles, but people talking about who they slept with or whatever are pretty much considered awkward and annoying - hence my annoyance at LGBT people doing it; I'd be just as frustrated with straight people doing the same.
It's not just about sex, it's also (and mainly!) about relationship. Your friends never talk about their girlfriend or boyfriend ? Why would a gay person talking about his or her partner would be "shoving it down your face" ? It's just natural to talk about your partner.
I'm not sure why you think homosexual people talk about their sex life in detail, because from experience that's not really the case.
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why is rainbow colors associated with homosexuality?
must suck for a homophobic person that loved rainbows growing up....must be so confused.
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