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On June 07 2013 22:40 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:36 Redox wrote:On June 07 2013 22:31 Shai wrote:
(Yes, I know there are chemical and physiological differences between the genders, but I'm making a point) Yeah you are making a dumb point. The differences are huge. And there are also special leagues for elder people, for young people etc. And sometimes watching a female sport is better than the male equivalant. For example I prefer watching womens volleyball over mens, simply becasue there are longer and more exciting rallies. Womens tennis is also basically a different sport from mens. Its very much a matter of taste what you like better. nothing against you but it's interesting your mentioning exactly the 2 most sexualized women sports. (beach) volleyball and tennis have strict dressing codes for women where they have to wear the shortest hotpants possible or be disqualified (LOL). i'd say the organisations that force these rules are sexist for sure.
no shit really? dress code for tennis seems horrible.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Men's sports are sexualized too when they have to appeal to the other demographic of sports, women., Google Tom Daley if you want some of that, he was England's poster boy during 2012 London Games I believe.
Women's sports also have to appeal to those who mainly watch sports, men.
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Attractive and athletic people always get the most attention and have an advantage in life, whether it be sports or any other profession really. It goes for men and women.
The natural tendency of men to put more emphasis on appearance for their mates combined with a greater percentage of males watching sports explains the OP's subject pretty easily.
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On June 07 2013 22:58 Kipsate wrote:
Men's sports are sexualized too when they have to appeal to the other demographic of sports, women., Google Tom Daley if you want some of that, he was England's poster boy during 2012 London Games I believe.
Women's sports also have to appeal to those who mainly watch sports, men.
The op could be written better, but I think it is arguing more on the essentialist aspect of the sport than on mere demography. Of course there are good looking male and female athletes, but the problem the op is trying to raise, I think, is that women athletes have to be packaged more on their looks in addition to their skills in order to be popular, which is not usually the case with male athletes.
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Because people only appreciated Marion Jones for her sexy feminine body.
On second thought, probably not since she was roided up to the point of looking like a man--but regardless, people still admired her performance until they found the drugs.
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Yes it is and no, it's not a problem. We have to remember that professional athletes do not get paid just because they're good at a particular game. They get paid because people want to watch them play and therefore businesses are willing to spend money on sponsorship and advertising. At the end of the day, pro athletes are entertainers.
Since women are worse at sports than men and female sexuality is regarded as more valuable than male sexuality, it makes perfect sense that a greater degree of sexualization occurs with women's sports. Without that, a lot less people would be interested in women's sports and female athletes would make much less money.
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People are sexualized. By extension, women in sports are sexualized - they wear light outfits and they're in good shape... If they weren't sexualized, we'd have to wonder why. People like to see hot athletes... Not to mention, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
We can pretend to ourselves that photos of sexy women are somehow degrading to women, but in reality, the only harmful thing is viewing women as inferiors.
How often have you heard women say they'd jump Johnny Depp's bone, is sexualizing him somehow degrading to men or should we just admit that being sexually attracted to some one does not a sexist make?
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Male athletes are idealized- they're presented, marketed, and defined by their ability. Female athletes, or really, anything, are sexualized. They're defined by their appearance and the desire that people have for them.
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Russian Federation748 Posts
It appears most people on TL have never heard of the "Dieux du stade" calendars.
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Majority of people who watch sports are male. When you compare the two sports, most males are not comparing beauty and talent for male dominated sports. However, with women dominated sports, men can compare beauty and talent.
I think that's the issue.
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On June 07 2013 23:29 FSKi wrote:
I thought this would be a topic about sexism in esports, aka having separate tournaments for women even though the strength and speed differences which exist in physical sports don't exist on the internet in terms of video game performance. That's a real topic for this site.
I would venture to say that is more about marketing than anything.
PLus, while there is not a physical barrier in place like other sports, there are way less women then men on the scene, and more than likely they do not have the same support systems in place at the time as males and it is harder for them to compete with someone who plays for 12 hours a day and has a coach
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I love women's diving, it could even be called a fetish. I know it's wrong and I hate myself for it! T_T
I am sorry
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The difference is that the group above are one which by normal standards we would not consider aesthetically pleasing
Allow me to stop you right there. First off, almost any of the men you listed are or were EASILY physically attractive due to being in peak shape. You would have to look high in low in any professional sports league to find a player who could not walk into a bar and walk out minutes later with someone eager to sleep with him or her, purely on the basis of raw sexual attraction.
As for all these pictures of female athletes in Maxim - there was no contract that forced them to do that. Women have agency, believe it or not, and its not for the likes of tl to tell the women who choose to engage in risque photoshoots how to live.
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On June 08 2013 00:14 Zahir wrote:Show nested quote +The difference is that the group above are one which by normal standards we would not consider aesthetically pleasing Allow me to stop you right there. First off, almost any of the men you listed are or were EASILY physically attractive due to being in peak shape. You would have to look high in low in any professional sports league to find a player who could not walk into a bar and walk out minutes later with someone eager to sleep with him or her, purely on the basis of raw sexual attraction. As for all these pictures of female athletes in Maxim - there was no contract that forced them to do that. Women have agency, believe it or not, and its not for the likes of tl to tell the women who choose to engage in risque photoshoots how to live.
There is. I read earlier about dress codes!
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Anna Prosser could be playing any game at no special skill level and I'd still watch. Personality and beauty attracts more viewers 
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On June 08 2013 00:14 Zahir wrote:Show nested quote +The difference is that the group above are one which by normal standards we would not consider aesthetically pleasing Allow me to stop you right there. First off, almost any of the men you listed are or were EASILY physically attractive due to being in peak shape. You would have to look high in low in any professional sports league to find a player who could not walk into a bar and walk out minutes later with someone eager to sleep with him or her, purely on the basis of raw sexual attraction. As for all these pictures of female athletes in Maxim - there was no contract that forced them to do that. Women have agency, believe it or not, and its not for the likes of tl to tell the women who choose to engage in risque photoshoots how to live.
Franck Ribery. Probably one of the most well-known active French soccer players, plays for one of the top-10 sports clubs in the world, and is probably the ugliest fucking athlete I've ever seen in my life.
Took about three seconds.
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Franck_Rib%C3%A9ry_20120611.jpg/220px-Franck_Rib%C3%A9ry_20120611.jpg)
Most flattering picture I could find on Google. You should see him when he smiles.
That said, the dude is still fucking awesome at soccer.
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On June 07 2013 22:22 nkr wrote:
most females i discussed football with couldnt care less about players like wayne rooney or ronaldinho
but when christina ronaldo or dianne beckham are brought up, they are huge fans
Ronaldo and Beckham are also some of the greatest players ever to grace the game. Athletes will have better bodies because they treat their bodies well, and exercise very frequently.
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Of course, but it's not as though male athletes are sexualized in a similar, though admittedly lesser, capacity. This does nothing to support the notion of a systematic patriarchal discriminatory society though. If anything, it demonstrates the much higher price we, in human societies, place on female sexuality vs male sexuality. Eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap, men are the disposable sex.
And also keep in mind that a lot of the discrepancy in how much appearance matters in athletics between males and females can be explained by 2 more things: 1). Appearance matters more for females outside of sporting arenas and it's only an extension. 2) most sports viewers are male. Of course female fans of the NBA are flicking their beans to thoughts of Lebron.
Wilt Chamberlain.
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On June 07 2013 22:40 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:36 Redox wrote:On June 07 2013 22:31 Shai wrote:
(Yes, I know there are chemical and physiological differences between the genders, but I'm making a point) Yeah you are making a dumb point. The differences are huge. And there are also special leagues for elder people, for young people etc. And sometimes watching a female sport is better than the male equivalant. For example I prefer watching womens volleyball over mens, simply becasue there are longer and more exciting rallies. Womens tennis is also basically a different sport from mens. Its very much a matter of taste what you like better. nothing against you but it's interesting your mentioning exactly the 2 most sexualized women sports. (beach) volleyball and tennis have strict dressing codes for women where they have to wear the shortest hotpants possible or be disqualified (LOL). i'd say the organisations that force these rules are sexist for sure.
Well, thats just not true :
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