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Is women's sport sexualized?

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Sword of Omens
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden18 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 23:59:55
June 07 2013 13:10 GMT
#1
On June 08 2013 08:11 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
KEY ISSUES:
1. Sports is generally about performance and skills;
2. When it is mediated through mass media, specifically television, due to the media's visual nature, physical attractiveness (face) of the athletes become an important consideration;
3. This practice - emphasis on attractiveness - is more prevalent in women sports more than in men.
A. Physical unattractiveness does not hinder the watchability of a male athlete as long as he excels at his sport (Ribery) but physical unattractiveness (face, or the hesitation towards muscle-bound women like in weighlifting, WNBA, etc.) in women is a crucial factor in deciding an athlete's and the sports popularity.
B. On the converse side, attractive female athletes may and do enjoy immense popularity despite only
C. Media and sports executives encourage and aggressively enforce this phenomenon further be "regulating" the sports to highlight the femininity and sexuality of women, as in dress code.

POINTS OF DISCUSSION:
1. The discussion is not about whether male or female athletes have beautiful faces and bodies;
2. Is this solely because of the demography of the audience/viewer who are predominantly male, thus necessitating in the highlighting of the sexuality of women. Conversely, theoretically, if there were more women audience, would it be logical to conclude that men sports would be significantly sexualized as well?
3. Is this a good thing (sexualization for the sake of watchability)? Is there a women sports which is watch primarily because of the athletes skills, and how does it differ from the general practice of the "sports-entertainment" phenomenon. How do we remove or minimize the objectification of women sports?



Think of the following athletes: Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Mike Tyson, Manny Paqcaiou, Michael Phelps, Kimbo Slice, Brock Lesner, Novak Djokovic, Ronaldinho, and Rooney. There are a lot others but let us stop here for now. This are people who are presently or at one time in the past have commanded the adulation of the people, who would not hesitate to spend time and money to watch them play.

Now consider the following. Maria Sharapova, Victoria Azarenka, Meisha Tate, Michelle Jenneke, and Danica Patrick. These are incredible and successful athletes themselves, like the male group above. The difference is that the group above are one which by normal standards we would not consider aesthetically pleasing, but the latter group belong to people known for their beauty.

The argument for this case is that when it comes to men sports, appearance is not much of or at all a factor of popularity, as long as they are great athletes at their sports. On the women's side however, popularity is determined not only by excellence, but more so by physical attractiveness. Don't get me wrong, Sharapova, Azarenka, and others are great athletes, at the top of their respective sports at one time or the other, but it can be argued that their popularity is determined mostly on their being beautiful and sexy. They are more prone to submit to the viewers and desire to sexualize female, and to assume the view that they have to be pretty in order to demand attention. Case in point, these athletes may go down as #100 or #5000 in their sports, yet it wont matter. We would still watch Sharapova or Jenneke play tennis or run. I would. Another case in point, at one time, tennis and badminton players were required by the sanctioning bodies to wear skirts in order to appear feminine. It was not a problem in tennis as most are already into skirts. In badminton there was some resistance, claiming sexism. Another case in point, womens basketball and football. The world tunes in to watch FIBA and NBA. But who even watches WNBA or womens basketball and football in general?

Most importantly, even if we watch women athletes, sure bet goes that we watch them to watch and adore them, and not to watch them at play as athletes. Who cares about Sharapova's pasing shots or Jenneke's pacing. We simply want to admire their faces and bodies, mostly. This is not the case with men's sports. We dont watch the La Liga or UEFA, or NBA or whatever else in order to admire how handsome the male athletes are. You will be hard put to find someone who will tell you that Messi is good looking, although he is, but everyone will immediately tell you how great he is at football.

I know this is a complex issue, one that involves the viewers demographics, the economics of television production, and the cross-cultural attitude on gender roles in general, but what do you think about women in sports being sexualized?
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
June 07 2013 13:14 GMT
#2
Did you make this thread just for the sake of making a thread?

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Orangered
Profile Joined June 2013
289 Posts
June 07 2013 13:16 GMT
#3
Proof: http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/07/26/1226435/396116-michelle-jenneke.gif

So, yeah.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
June 07 2013 13:17 GMT
#4
This argument is incredibly weak. Some portion of marketing goes to sexualization - for example, women's tennis and volleyball players doing Clariol or Maybelline commercials- but on the whole no it is not.

Sex sells. It absolutely does. Picking the best-looking people in any given sport to use as figureheads for advertising has happened for dozens of years. Ricky Fowler has dozens of advertising deals only because he's a young, handsome guy- not because he's terribly good at golf. David Beckham is even MORE sexualized than any of the women you mentioned.

Additionally, the reason we watch the French Open and not the WNBA is that the level of competition is higher in women's tennis than in women's basketball. Women's pro basketball has a shockingly low level of competition- a good men's highschool team could probably beat most women's pro teams. However, top women tennis players are very, very good at tennis (much closer to the men in terms of performance, and the competition with each other is great).

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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 07 2013 13:18 GMT
#5
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This ia Marta. Best female football player in the world. In my opinion, ugly as fuck.

Answer to your thread: no, female sports are not sexualized. Athletes tend to have prettier bodies, thats it.
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Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
June 07 2013 13:19 GMT
#6
For the most part, women sports is not as fast / hard / strong / high etc. as male sports and why would you want to watch something weaker, when you can watch the real limit humans can reach in a sport in terms of speed, strength, power, height etc.?
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 13:21:16
June 07 2013 13:19 GMT
#7
Um. Why are there male athletes who are sexy to women? Just because you don't rate men by their appearence, but by their achievements, it doesn't mean women wouldn't always say Beckham is better then Ribery. Duh.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
June 07 2013 13:21 GMT
#8
Golf... By far..
http://thechive.com/2009/05/28/who-knew-golf-could-be-this-sexy-25-photos/
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AUFKLARUNG
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany245 Posts
June 07 2013 13:21 GMT
#9
Valid point. Though you can argue that there are handsome and sexualized male athletes as well - C. Ronaldo, Beckham. I see your point though that the issue is more on the essential nature of the production of the sport for media consumption, and as such, it is a sad reality that women sports falls victim to sexualization. My issue with some female sports is that the sports, or the audience, has been used to the male version of it that it seems slow or tame or uninteresting when women play it, like football and basketball.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 13:23:36
June 07 2013 13:22 GMT
#10
yeah I'm sure photos like the following are only aiming at their sports success!
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You might not find him aesthetically pleasing, I'm sure many women would disagree
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
June 07 2013 13:22 GMT
#11
On June 07 2013 22:10 Sword of Omens wrote:
I know this is a complex issue.


Exactly this. The topic is much more suited for a study than random opinion on a forum.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
June 07 2013 13:22 GMT
#12
most females i discussed football with couldnt care less about players like wayne rooney or ronaldinho

but when christina ronaldo or dianne beckham are brought up, they are huge fans
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Sword of Omens
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden18 Posts
June 07 2013 13:23 GMT
#13
I am not saying that male athletes are ugly and female athletes are all pretty. The point of the discussion is that women sport is often sold on the account of the beauty of its athletes.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
June 07 2013 13:25 GMT
#14
I don't know if it's different in Europe, but I know women who will watch (American) football solely because they think some of the players are attractive, so it's not like the sword only cuts one way. There are lots of ads with male athletes posing like models, too; think of Beckham and Cristiano Ronaldo.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 07 2013 13:25 GMT
#15
Its amazing how people that exercise a lot will have a fit body, and, genetics permitting, a pretty face to match.

Having said that of course they're over sexualised, sex sells, and I doubt any woman could compete with there male counterparts in most sports.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 13:27:44
June 07 2013 13:25 GMT
#16
Of course it is. For example, the biggest star to come out of the London Olympics for South Korea, arguably more so than Kim Yunah, was Son Yeon Jae. + Show Spoiler +
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Korea won 28 medals with 13 of them being golds. Son Yeon Jae placed 5th. Women's sport is as much about getting sponsorships based on appearance as it is about success (e.g. Kournikova). The main problem for female athletes it that most sports viewers are men. Men who either want to watch their own gender in competition or, if that's not an option, at least see a nice ass.
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Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
June 07 2013 13:25 GMT
#17
Read some MMA newsfeed and look at the comments. If news is about a guy the comments are always about his next fights, performance and such. If its a female fighter comments are always about how hot she is and how much everyone would like to bang her, almost no comment about her as a fighter.
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Sword of Omens
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden18 Posts
June 07 2013 13:26 GMT
#18
On June 07 2013 22:21 SushilS wrote:
Golf... By far..
http://thechive.com/2009/05/28/who-knew-golf-could-be-this-sexy-25-photos/

Exactly my point, thanks. Let me share here a few pictures

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Also, there may be male athlete models who are sexualized as well, but this phenomenon is much much more prevalent in women sport
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32098 Posts
June 07 2013 13:27 GMT
#19
i agree with some of your points disgree with others but your post is really all over the place dude. there are plenty of womlen who are popular athletes that arent pretty and white. the williams sisters, marta, greiner, etc. do some watch sharpova only and not for her skill? yeah. do ads with sharpova typically play on her beauty and are directed from the male perspective? yeah

as far as people not watching certain female sports, that has more to do with the sports themselves than anything else. the most popular ones typically are sports where the males and females play virtually the same sport. teniis, soccer, etc. wnba and nba are worlds apart as far as how the game is played. softball is totally different than baseball. womens lax and hockey are totally different than the male counterparts

i also think it is silly to assume that there arent lots of women and gay dude who watch sports pretty much for the attractive people just like the are dudes whod watch genneken run because they wahcked off to her once
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
June 07 2013 13:29 GMT
#20
I'm pretty sure the Nada's body thread puts us ahead of the curve
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