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On June 07 2013 22:26 Sword of Omens wrote:
Also, there may be male athlete models who are sexualized as well, but this phenomenon is much much more prevalent in women sport
Only because more men are watching sports.
From my own observations though it seems that women care at least as much about the sexual aspect of men in sports, then men do for female athletes. Probably even more.
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1. Male athletes have sexy bodies.
2. The existence of female sports is sexist. Most major professional sports leagues allow women. I wouldn't pay money to watch the 500th best players play a sport, so why pay money to watch women who aren't at the top of the game play? I get told all the time there's no difference between the abilities of men and women, so why should I watch people who are, by professional standards, bad? (Yes, I know there are chemical and physiological differences between the genders, but I'm making a point)
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As was said already in this topic, to me it makes sense watching women´s sport for aesthetic reasons, because, why would you watch women´s sport for the sport, if you can just watch the same sport performed at a higher level by males.
Unless your such a fan of that particular sport that you watched all male tournaments already and want to watch some more.
Therefore the ratio of people watching for sexy time compared to people watching for sport should always be higher on
women´s sport. That, and men are bigger horndogs than women.
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I would point out that tennis in general seems to be as much about eye appeal as the competition. I for one enjoy watching tennis for both of these reasons, and would find Sharapova prancing around in a bikini to be attention-grabbing but wouldn't hold interest after a couple minutes of gawking. The fact that these women ARE very fit and successful athletes adds a lot to just being cute. I'm sure those so oriented feel the same way about the guys.
I don't know why people don't watch women's basketball or soccer, as I don't find those sports interesting regardless, but I would hazard to guess its because of lack of hype and lower level of play.
Another element to consider is that generally speaking, is that women athletes are much less relatable to male sports viewers, and aside from some prime examples not terribly physically attractive, so they have less interest in watching their sports.
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Well, some sports do it, some don't. You can question the rules of beach volleyball, where it was ruled until last year (!) that girls have to play in a Bikini. But this basically an exception!
It's quite difficult to decide if the sport does the sexualizing or the media/social environment! It's everywhere! I'm member of the German Piratenpartei (pirate party). We had a (young and attractive) female representative, that really got fed up, that the press talked more about her looks instead our political view she told them about. The same in sports: I think most of the female sport teams take their sport quite seriously! But the "outside" just watches to get a nice view at a little naked skin!
I have no problem watching women soccer or women handball or others. But maybe I'm the wrong guy to ask because I'm a dancer and pair dancing is quite the most sexualized sport out there :D
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Maybe I'm a sexist pig but only times I would watch female sports are.
a) There's an finnish athlete aiming for top ranks, I have certain amount of"patriotism" call it whatever you want in me for that.
b) I'l briefly watch some cutey like Sharapova or that one hurdles chick perform sports at whatever skill level, probably a random youtube video or something, I won't actually sit on front of TV waiting for their game.
Otherwise men are at much higher level in all physical sports of interest to me so of course I rather watch male sports when female top athletes are below male amateur level. However I do know women that pretty much only watch certain matches and events due to the guys they find attractive, so the sexism goes both ways.
To add in my point I should mention that I don't follow finnish male football either because the level of play is so low it hurts to watch, meanwhile I'm quite avid follower of champions league.
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On June 07 2013 22:27 QuanticHawk wrote:
i agree with some of your points disgree with others but your post is really all over the place dude. there are plenty of womlen who are popular athletes that arent pretty and white. the williams sisters, marta, greiner, etc. do some watch sharpova only and not for her skill? yeah. do ads with sharpova typically play on her beauty and are directed from the male perspective? yeah
as far as people not watching certain female sports, that has more to do with the sports themselves than anything else. the most popular ones typically are sports where the males and females play virtually the same sport. teniis, soccer, etc. wnba and nba are worlds apart as far as how the game is played. softball is totally different than baseball. womens lax and hockey are totally different than the male counterparts
i also think it is silly to assume that there arent lots of women and gay dude who watch sports pretty much for the attractive people just like the are dudes whod watch genneken run because they wahcked off to her once
Add Steffi Graf to that list.
Really this topic is just off to a bad start simply because the OP is kind of bad and a bit too biased.
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I don't really think so. I do admit I think ToSsGirL is hot though.
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On June 07 2013 22:31 Shai wrote:
(Yes, I know there are chemical and physiological differences between the genders, but I'm making a point)
Yeah you are making a dumb point. The differences are huge. And there are also special leagues for elder people, for young people etc.
And sometimes watching a female sport is better than the male equivalant. For example I prefer watching womens volleyball over mens, simply becasue there are longer and more exciting rallies. Womens tennis is also basically a different sport from mens. Its very much a matter of taste what you like better.
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On June 07 2013 22:29 Scarecrow wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Nada's body thread puts us ahead of the curve
Yup, also in most fields like soccer it is practicly like watching the b team of some local league of men playing. Woman are inferior athletes when it boiles down to pure raw strength, so of course I do not watch them weightlifting unless they are stunningly beautiful, because if I want to see the greatest athletes, I watch men.
Also: Brock Lesnar is hot yo.
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What about Becks and Cristiano Ronaldo?
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On June 07 2013 22:36 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:31 Shai wrote:
(Yes, I know there are chemical and physiological differences between the genders, but I'm making a point) Yeah you are making a dumb point. The differences are huge. And there are also special leagues for elder people, for young people etc. And sometimes watching a female sport is better than the male equivalant. For example I prefer watching womens volleyball over mens, simply becasue there are longer and more exciting rallies. Womens tennis is also basically a different sport from mens. Its very much a matter of taste what you like better.
nothing against you but it's interesting your mentioning exactly the 2 most sexualized women sports.
(beach) volleyball and tennis have strict dressing codes for women where they have to wear the shortest hotpants possible or be disqualified (LOL). i'd say the organisations that force these rules are sexist for sure.
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On June 07 2013 22:34 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:27 QuanticHawk wrote:
i agree with some of your points disgree with others but your post is really all over the place dude. there are plenty of womlen who are popular athletes that arent pretty and white. the williams sisters, marta, greiner, etc. do some watch sharpova only and not for her skill? yeah. do ads with sharpova typically play on her beauty and are directed from the male perspective? yeah
as far as people not watching certain female sports, that has more to do with the sports themselves than anything else. the most popular ones typically are sports where the males and females play virtually the same sport. teniis, soccer, etc. wnba and nba are worlds apart as far as how the game is played. softball is totally different than baseball. womens lax and hockey are totally different than the male counterparts
i also think it is silly to assume that there arent lots of women and gay dude who watch sports pretty much for the attractive people just like the are dudes whod watch genneken run because they wahcked off to her once
Add Steffi Graf to that list. Really this topic is just off to a bad start simply because the OP is kind of bad and a bit too biased.
i agree the op is bad (even if well intentioned and the topic is good) not really biased just put together really poorly, just runs all over the place with no clear train of thought
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"What's wrong with being sexy?"
- Nigel of Spinal Tap
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Have you SEEN girls STARE at the male Olympic swimmers?
Unfortunately, the reality of human biology is that when it comes to physical, athletic ability, men are more powerful and faster than women. The overwhelming majority of western sports fans want to see the biggest, strongest athletes compete. This is why heavyweight is most popular weight class in most combat sports.
Actually, let's take boxing as an example. Heavyweight boxing is the most popular and has the largest prize pools of any weight class. Personally, I think watching the smaller guys is more interesting because the fights are technical and less about raw power, but it seems the rest of the world doesn't agree with me.
So this obsession we have with raw power essentially discounts the athletic value of women's sports, which allows the sexualization to stand out. Sexualization in sports exists for both male and female athletes, but of course you notice it more with women because the viewership values their other abilities less.
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On June 07 2013 22:23 Sword of Omens wrote:
I am not saying that male athletes are ugly and female athletes are all pretty. The point of the discussion is that women sport is often sold on the account of the beauty of its athletes.
no its not. because women sports are usually all women, only the successful ones will be noticed the most, just the same as male sports.
or in the case of danica patrick, who was noticed because she broke into a male dominated sport, even if with little success.
whether or not these same female athletes then go onto market themselves to the world in a more sexualized fashion is whole other discussion. but it is not the primary reason they become noticed.
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Obviously it is, otherwise nobody would watch.
There were a couple stories a few years ago IIRC that went into how the LPGA was hiring advisers/stylists for the golfers who just were dressing horribad. It was overshadowed a bit by the row about wanting the LPGA golfers to speak English.
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On June 07 2013 22:22 7mk wrote:yeah I'm sure photos like the following are only aiming at their sports success! + Show Spoiler +You might not find him aesthetically pleasing, I'm sure many women would disagree
This photo is aimed at nothing else than the front page of all photoshop disaster websites. Does the head even belong to the body?
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On June 07 2013 22:46 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:23 Sword of Omens wrote:
I am not saying that male athletes are ugly and female athletes are all pretty. The point of the discussion is that women sport is often sold on the account of the beauty of its athletes. no its not. because women sports are usually all women, only the successful ones will be noticed the most, just the same as male sports. or in the case of danica patrick, who was noticed because she broke into a male dominated sport, even if with little success. whether or not these same female athletes then go onto market themselves to the world in a more sexualized fashion is whole other discussion. but it is not the primary reason they become noticed.
the op is right to a degree. patrick has some talent, but lets be real, her opportunities and her media push dont have a damn thing to do with that. skillwise shes no different from the other middling dudes that only hardcore nascar fans know. there has been plenty of patricks or kournakovas through the years, whose reputation is built much more on looks than anything else. it opens doors, media fawns over them instead or more skilled but less pretty females in those fields. that is because our media lens really is basically from the male perspective. you dont see a male player getting more opportunties because he's a stud
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Although my perspective as a heterosexual may not be the most accurate, it always seemed to me like attractive male athletes are a lot more common than attractive female ones (possibly because there's a greater pool of well known male athletes). I also don't think it's unfair to say that the majority of a male athlete's female fanbase is hooked by looks or personality rather than skill and results.
It's really a natural human reaction on either gender's side. Hardcore sports fans (of either gender) will usually look beyond that, but a more casual audience will always appreciate the physical beauty of athletes of the gender they're attracted to.
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