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Because sex sells and women are sexier than men and for some reason even woman are attracted to woman and thus you have everyone drooling over beautiful woman.
Even my exgf's and other girls are attracted to girls, they wouldn't like have sex, but they do find other girls attractive. I don't know if this is supposed to be normal, maybe its the food and stuff screwing up our hormones and stuff, but yeah.
So yeah, beautiful woman in sports tend to be more liked, to have more followers and be more successful in terms of money if they are attractive.
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Tell me, who doesn't want to fuck all these beautiful women? It's really as simple as that.
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Women are just sexualized in every aspect of modern culture, sport is no exception. IDK why the first response got warned, because yea, this is a pretty simple issue. It's like asking "is the sky blue?" (I know it technically isn't, it's just an expression..) Yes, women's sports are sexualized.
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I think we, as probably largely straight guys, think that women are more sexualized in sports because we are more attracted to them. I think both genders are sexualized in sports and I couldn't care less.
Except for Nada.
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On June 08 2013 08:38 AimlessAmoeba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:18 Zephirdd wrote:![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Marta_at_Union_at_Earthquakes_2010-09-15.jpg/400px-Marta_at_Union_at_Earthquakes_2010-09-15.jpg) This ia Marta. Best female football player in the world. In my opinion, ugly as fuck. Answer to your thread: no, female sports are not sexualized. Athletes tend to have prettier bodies, thats it. You consider someone that looks like that ugly as fuck? Wow... But uh, all the same - yeah I feel as though women's sport is a little oversexualized. It's hard not to be - athletic women are generally in great shape, which is what most men like to look at. But in all honesty, sports in general has an overabundance of sexualization.
yeah i would say she is below average in the looks department.
but yes females are sexualized in sports, they sexualized in every area of of our lives.
if we were only interested in the 'best physical ability' blah blah blah, female sports wouldn't even exist.
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On June 07 2013 22:19 Kuni wrote: For the most part, women sports is not as fast / hard / strong / high etc. as male sports and why would you want to watch something weaker, when you can watch the real limit humans can reach in a sport in terms of speed, strength, power, height etc.?
This is what I was thinking. After watching NBA, watching WNBA just feels like a highschool game. Sorry to be cynical, but I think if you try and take out sex appeal from womens sports then there would be very little viewers or money. It's just not interesting to watch except if you're a young girl playing sports or something.
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On June 09 2013 02:14 Mothra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:19 Kuni wrote: For the most part, women sports is not as fast / hard / strong / high etc. as male sports and why would you want to watch something weaker, when you can watch the real limit humans can reach in a sport in terms of speed, strength, power, height etc.?
This is what I was thinking. After watching NBA, watching WNBA just feels like a highschool game. Sorry to be cynical, but I think if you try and take out sex appeal from womens sports then there would be very little viewers or money. It's just not interesting to watch except if you're a young girl playing sports or something.
nothing cynical about it, women have a lot less testoserone than guys, on average they're worse in the visuospatial department as well, women can't compete with men given equal training, etc...it's not even close.
i don't think there's anything wrong with it, sports is a good thing to learn for women and men alike, promotes a lot of good qualities and health of course. nothing wrong with women who want to excel at sports, if there is a market for it only makes sense to allow them to succeed too.
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Why don't you post all the attractive male sports figures and all the unattractive female sports figures. Women may be sexualized more but the ones you brought up model in their spare time anyways so they're bound to be more sexualized, since they you know, make money looking attractive.
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On June 09 2013 01:10 JimmiC wrote: "On June 08 2013 22:49 Bleak wrote: Meh. Sex sells.
I don't get the point of discussing this. Women are sexy to men. It's natural that they're talked about that, as long as they're moderately attractive and fit, which most of the athletes you list are.
The discussion is not on whether people are good looking or not. The discussions are on the moral implications of placing a woman's worth on her looks instead of her accomplishments."
Actually the discussion was not "on the moral implications of placing..."
It was on are women's sports overly sexualized? Do people only watch them because of this? Is this a bad thing for womens sports?
You are just adding your own preconceived notions to the discussion and having a judge fest on people you don't know. And reading way more into there comments then they write again based on your stereotypes and bias's.
Apparently you think all men, especially people who post here are are sexist women haters.
And all women are innocent flowers who need protecting and would hate anyone to think of them to be sexy.
The crazy thing is you are completely wrong on both accounts. And in fact you are the biggest sexist here. So Mr. "Im so holy, your all bad" I suggest you take a look into the mirror and figure out your own issues. Because you are projecting a lot of anger on people who aren't writing anything negative but rather descriptive. You are adding the rest yourself.
Most my examples of sexualization have been of men sexualizing men. So I don't know why you think that translates to me assuming men hate women unless you think comparing an athlete to Ricky Martin is anti-women.
The example I bring up the most is women wanting to fuck Justin Beiber, so I don't know where you think I'm trying to paint women as innocent flowers.
In my examples, women are the horny fans while men are judging men for being sexy. The reason is because sexualization is not about wanting to fuck someone--it's equating their looks with their value as a human being.
Wanting to fuck them is irrelevant.
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On June 08 2013 10:22 HiTeK532 wrote: The thing is female athletes are generally speaking subpar You could pick a team of basketball players off of a street court in New York and they would beat/compete against most WNBA teams. Since you can't sell the players based on skill (some exceptions of course) you need to sell the audience on something else. This. The highest level of competition sells itself on level of competition. Anything below that needs a gimmick, or must accept a much smaller audience.
Our Players Are Your Nationality is one such gimmick, commonly seen in SC2. Our Players Have Vaginas is another.
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Um... If you notice, my definition of sexualization matches the EU parliament.
Notice what your post says--with the person's worth being measured in terms of the level of sexual attractiveness.
For example, Kornikova being popular despite never winning grand slam titles is an example of our sexualization of athletes.
Because when we give someone worth based on their looks instead of their achievements--we sexualized them.
And when did I say that men judge men more than women judge women? If you read, I find men sexualize boy bands more than women sexualize boy bands. Because women mostly want to fuck them, men are usually the ones who state that a boy band is only popular because women want to fuck them. Because, according to your EU parlament, sexualization is the person's worth being measured in terms of the level of sexual attractiveness.
Wanting to fuck someone is not measuring their worth--it's wanting to fuck them, by definition.
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Going to be just brutally honest here. In general no one would watch female sports if they weren't reasonably attractive. The competition level is just flatly lower and there is zero reason outside physical appearance to do so. The exception to this however should be eSports. There is literally zero reason females cannot compete at the highest levels as males have zero inherit advantage. We need more unattractive chicks playing eSports who are just crazy damn good to drive this point home.
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On June 10 2013 01:49 Dekoth wrote: Going to be just brutally honest here. In general no one would watch female sports if they weren't reasonably attractive. The competition level is just flatly lower and there is zero reason outside physical appearance to do so. The exception to this however should be eSports. There is literally zero reason females cannot compete at the highest levels as males have zero inherit advantage. We need more unattractive chicks playing eSports who are just crazy damn good to drive this point home. I don't know that people watch sports solely because of performance attraction. I think it's funny - during the Olympics, people watch men run fixed distances and they somehow think it's entertaining (or something?). Go watch horse races if you like fast. Or watch F1 maybe. We're slow and weak.
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On June 10 2013 02:09 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 01:49 Dekoth wrote: Going to be just brutally honest here. In general no one would watch female sports if they weren't reasonably attractive. The competition level is just flatly lower and there is zero reason outside physical appearance to do so. The exception to this however should be eSports. There is literally zero reason females cannot compete at the highest levels as males have zero inherit advantage. We need more unattractive chicks playing eSports who are just crazy damn good to drive this point home. I don't know that people watch sports solely because of performance attraction. I think it's funny - during the Olympics, people watch men run fixed distances and they somehow think it's entertaining (or something?). Go watch horse races if you like fast. Or watch F1 maybe. We're slow and weak.
Women's sports, not mens. Men's sports are watched largely to see the peak in physical ability in that particular sport.
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On June 10 2013 02:28 Dekoth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 02:09 Djzapz wrote:On June 10 2013 01:49 Dekoth wrote: Going to be just brutally honest here. In general no one would watch female sports if they weren't reasonably attractive. The competition level is just flatly lower and there is zero reason outside physical appearance to do so. The exception to this however should be eSports. There is literally zero reason females cannot compete at the highest levels as males have zero inherit advantage. We need more unattractive chicks playing eSports who are just crazy damn good to drive this point home. I don't know that people watch sports solely because of performance attraction. I think it's funny - during the Olympics, people watch men run fixed distances and they somehow think it's entertaining (or something?). Go watch horse races if you like fast. Or watch F1 maybe. We're slow and weak. Women's sports, not mens. Men's sports are watched largely to see the peak in physical ability in that particular sport.
this
women's sports have to be sexualized to be watchable
a sport purist, someone who watches only for the best skills, would not watch women's sports because they are inferior to their male counterparts
therefore, for people to watch women's sports there needs to be another reason
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Well, there's Serena Williams, who's a hideous monster. But she's an american, and a good women's tennis player who wins often. So it's not always 100% sexualisation, although it's still often the main reason. Armchair feminists might have a problem with it, but it's certainly not because of their middling level of competition that most people watch women's sports.
I personally don't watch any of it.
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On June 10 2013 02:40 PrideNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 02:28 Dekoth wrote:On June 10 2013 02:09 Djzapz wrote:On June 10 2013 01:49 Dekoth wrote: Going to be just brutally honest here. In general no one would watch female sports if they weren't reasonably attractive. The competition level is just flatly lower and there is zero reason outside physical appearance to do so. The exception to this however should be eSports. There is literally zero reason females cannot compete at the highest levels as males have zero inherit advantage. We need more unattractive chicks playing eSports who are just crazy damn good to drive this point home. I don't know that people watch sports solely because of performance attraction. I think it's funny - during the Olympics, people watch men run fixed distances and they somehow think it's entertaining (or something?). Go watch horse races if you like fast. Or watch F1 maybe. We're slow and weak. Women's sports, not mens. Men's sports are watched largely to see the peak in physical ability in that particular sport. this women's sports have to be sexualized to be watchable a sport purist, someone who watches only for the best skills, would not watch women's sports because they are inferior to their male counterparts therefore, for people to watch women's sports there needs to be another reason
was going to post same exact thing....
people watch sports to see athletic excellence and people pushing the physical limits of the human body...
Men are significantly better in EVERY sport, that both women and men compete in. It's essentially JV vs Varsity sports...
Which gets more views?
The only other way to get viewers is to draw people in with a combination of looks/skill which is why people like Danika r important for female sports.
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On June 10 2013 02:28 Dekoth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 02:09 Djzapz wrote:On June 10 2013 01:49 Dekoth wrote: Going to be just brutally honest here. In general no one would watch female sports if they weren't reasonably attractive. The competition level is just flatly lower and there is zero reason outside physical appearance to do so. The exception to this however should be eSports. There is literally zero reason females cannot compete at the highest levels as males have zero inherit advantage. We need more unattractive chicks playing eSports who are just crazy damn good to drive this point home. I don't know that people watch sports solely because of performance attraction. I think it's funny - during the Olympics, people watch men run fixed distances and they somehow think it's entertaining (or something?). Go watch horse races if you like fast. Or watch F1 maybe. We're slow and weak. Women's sports, not mens. Men's sports are watched largely to see the peak in physical ability in that particular sport. No no I understand that but I extrapolated... I'm saying human physical ability is kind of lame.
On one hand you have runners - male runners are faster than female, but why would I care? A bunch of animals are faster and have more endurance than men. Maybe it's a bit arrogant of me but we have no reason to watch running competitions or marathons, it's boring and unimpressive. The only good reason we have to watch anything, IMO, is intelligence which cannot be reproduced by computers or animals. Strategy, cooperation, etc. can be interesting.
You can watch female sports because the gamestyle and strategy changes dramatically and is adapted to their physical capabilities. I assume it's the same for Tennis for instance, but if you watch female hockey (or ringuette), there's a "special" type of finesse which is absent from male play.
I guess that to summarize, I would say that physically, humans suck - so people should appreciate the intelligence that's required rather than the physical performance of the athletes. Pure performance sports are incredibly boring.
But yeah I guess maybe that's just me x_x
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On June 09 2013 04:57 JimmiC wrote: Actually according to European Parliament Sexualization means
whereas sexualisation consists of an instrumental approach to a person by perceiving that person as an object for sexual use disregarding the person's dignity and personality traits, with the person's worth being measured in terms of the level of sexual attractiveness; sexualisation also involves the imposition of the sexuality of adult persons on girls, who are emotionally, psychologically and physically unprepared for this at their particular stage of development; sexualisation[note 1] not being the normal, healthy, biological development of the sexuality of a person, conditioned by the individual process of development and taking place at the appropriate time for each particular individual
So basically it's talking about youth.
If you are using you statements its simply personal and would be whether each person does that or doesn't and what they value
If you are using to sport then I would say it doesn't happen at the highest level of sport. The best players play regardless of there looks. Tennis has been used a bunch as examples and looks does not help them win tournaments and so on. same with the WNBA, there is some attractive players but they are there based on merit.
Where the attractive people make more money is in ad dollars. At that is a adults choice to sell her sexuality or what ever you want to call it to promote the product.
Also if you think that men Judge men harshly on looks more then women judging women you are straight CRAZY. Thats a point not even worth discussing lol
And it happens to both genders we just don't point it out as much. Look up Tyrone Hill and his accomplishments in the NBA. Then look at Rick Fox (who is statistically worse) And had endorsements been on T.V. and so on.
On top of that most female athletes will tell you they don't care why people tune in, as long as they do. They would hope that if they tune in for looks they stay for the skill, but really all they care about is people watch so they can participate in the sport that they love instead of having to do some job, accountant, construction worker, waitress or what ever.
You don't think that GSP wears those tight trunks to gain some female fans and attention? And you don't think he minds that those extra eyes give him extra dollars.
So I just don't get what you are so mad about. All sports are sexualized, for all genders and in all forms of entertainment people are "sexualized".
But by your definition when relating it to sport, if looks was all that was used to determine worth. Kornikova would be a 15 time grand slam champion. However, in reality she never won, so being a hottie didn't up her worth in the sport. Just in pocket book by extra ad dollars.
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Also the OP, no doubt someone else mentioned it, but you should be less biased in the list of names you posted. You obviously took some ugly men's sporters (and left out people like C. Ronaldo) and some pretty femaile athletes (and left out the majority of the female athlete population).
Also when it comes to aesthetics, i think the male athlete is considered the pinacle of male beauty (by the accepted standard of society) while most female athletes would be too stocky, too broad, too "fit", too "male" for most men's liking (atleast by the accepted standard of society, by which I mean what you see in the adds etc, I'm aware that this is different for everyone and afaik most men dont even like superskinny women)
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