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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
June 08 2013 00:09 GMT
#281
I'd say the answer to this thread's question is yes, but it's nothing special. Women in general are sexualized. Look at commercials nowadays. I saw a beer commercial with women in tight dresses and showing off cleavage to a decent extent, all in attempt to link hot women with that beer.

Women in sports is just another extension of appealing to consumers.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 08 2013 00:10 GMT
#282
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iyasq8
Profile Joined December 2012
113 Posts
June 08 2013 00:16 GMT
#283
Its 100% sexaulized. For men too but its weaker because most of the spectators are men. Its as you said their dress code makes it pretty obvious.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 08 2013 00:19 GMT
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isaachukfan
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada785 Posts
June 08 2013 00:20 GMT
#285
On June 08 2013 09:08 Ubiquitousdichotomy wrote:
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On June 08 2013 08:59 JimmiC wrote:
Yes the LFL. That's totaly men being sexist pigs. Or is it women making money off there looks just like these guys



Lets face it the LFL is no different then Male dancers. It's just they are playing football because men like to watch football and some one thought hey men like bikinis and football lets combine them. No one is watching that for the athletisim, and no one is pretending to be much like how girls don't go to chipindales for the dancing. And no one is calling the women there sexist pigs or saying the male dancers are being taken advantage of and objectified. Damn all you sexists not getting mad about the poor male dancers and women just watching them and paying them for there bodies!


Whoever thought the LFL was a joke forgot to tell this coach




That guy seems a bit upset....strange considering he's surrounded by a bunch of attractive women in their panties......
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 08 2013 00:21 GMT
#286
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 08 2013 00:53 GMT
#287
On June 08 2013 09:06 Zahir wrote:
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On June 08 2013 08:29 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:28 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:24 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:21 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.

obviously sex sells.
uh yeah most women are judged on their looks all the time.
i'm not sure how you use most women wanting to be sexy to equate to judging women primarily on their looks.



It's a non issue because everyone gets judged based on their looks. Only the turbo feminists think this is a women only thing.

This whole thread is as pointless as it gets.

i disagree. i believe that women get judged on their looks much more than men. and that it is an issue.


But is it a negative issue, in this case? Some subtle level of sexualization is a definite advantage when one is seeking to captivate the eyes and wallets of a typical sports audience. If women's looks counted for less, their sports leagues would have less money, which means less player salaries, and an even lower level of competition.

Sports fans tend to gravitate towards the highest levels of competition (which generally = away from female leagues). The fact that some of the more perverted among them can be incentivized to do otherwise is hardly evidence of oppression. It's evidence of the power of female sexuality over men, if anything.

you mean like a moral issue or a financial issue?
and you seem to be talking exclusively about sports which while fitting better with the OP, is not really what I was talking about, so sorry, i can imagine its harder on the average woman than a ripped athlete.
but sticking to sports what about ugly athletes and attractive athletes that don't want to be sexualized?
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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
June 08 2013 00:58 GMT
#288
Sex sells, men or women
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radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 01:28:29
June 08 2013 01:16 GMT
#289
On June 08 2013 09:09 Cloud9157 wrote:
I'd say the answer to this thread's question is yes, but it's nothing special. Women in general are sexualized. Look at commercials nowadays. I saw a beer commercial with women in tight dresses and showing off cleavage to a decent extent, all in attempt to link hot women with that beer.

Women in sports is just another extension of appealing to consumers.


I think that's basically it. And from Aukfarlung's statement added to the OP, I think sexualization is a good thing to a limited extent, just like with beer commercials (its a natural part of being a male, and it shouldn't be suppressed so much that you don't see any attractive females).

On June 08 2013 09:00 ninini wrote:
To claim that women sports isn't interesting, because men can do it better is just stupid. That's like saying that Usain Bolt's raw speed is not impressive, because a Cheetah can outrun him without trying.

I think female individual sports are equally entertaining, because I honestly believe that female athletic performances can be impressive in the same way as male athletic performances, but you need to look at their performance in different contexts. A man running 100m in 10:50 is not very impressive. A woman doing it though, is very impressive, and the reason why is because women have a lesser physical potential, so they need to work harder to reach a certain level, and they will peak at a lower level.

Tennis is one of the few examples where I actually prefer women's competition, and I know I'm not the only one. The modern serve have ruined male tennis imo, because it has slowed down the pacing of the game, and made it too formulaic. I still enjoy Rafael Nadal's play, but most of the other players I find to be too stale, as they rely too much on a strong serve, and don't really have too much to offer beyond that. In female tennis there's still room for players like Agnieszka Radwanska, who doesn't hit very hard, but who makes up for it with her good footwork, tactical sense and tricky and accurate shots. To me she's the most entertaining tennis player right now, male or female.


I think the main difference between herding cheetahs and watching them run laps around (while exciting) compared to humans, is that we watch humans primarily because they are more relatable; we want to see the human spirit in action. But there's also a secondary motivation, and that is that we want to see exciting games that are filled with action and unbelievable shots.

It just so happens that the more physical prowess you have, the faster, harder, and more exact the shots can be. That's why in tennis, you rarely see games that are as physical, involving unbelievable shot making while a person is running from one end of the court to the other in women's tennis; often the games are a lot simpler from my experience. That's why there is a division between men and women, because the men at the highest level would dominate women fairly easily and everyone admits it, including the women. It clearly implies that the men play at a higher level, which is logically more fun to watch, just like we enjoy watching professional NBA games over little league basketball games, and similarly for any other sport.

Of course you could say that you enjoy these fine qualities in the game that women show; but you have to be aware that you don't speak for everyone! (In case you're thinking more people should appreciate the "finer" qualities)

Serena Williams comes close though, but she's the #1 player in women's tennis...and even then the most "shocking" compliment her opponent Errani could make (after Williams beat her in the semifinals) was that she could probably play well in lower league men's tennis.
HiTeK532
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada171 Posts
June 08 2013 01:22 GMT
#290
The thing is female athletes are generally speaking subpar You could pick a team of basketball players off of a street court in New York and they would beat/compete against most WNBA teams. Since you can't sell the players based on skill (some exceptions of course) you need to sell the audience on something else.
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anycolourfloyd
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia524 Posts
June 08 2013 01:32 GMT
#291
it works both ways.
OprahWindfury
Profile Joined April 2013
United States12 Posts
June 08 2013 01:44 GMT
#292
Yes.
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aNGryaRchon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States438 Posts
June 08 2013 02:18 GMT
#293
On June 08 2013 01:04 Orangered wrote:
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On June 08 2013 00:58 saddaromma wrote:
its simple. boys watch sports, girls don't. therefore, hot chicks are popular, and hot guys are not.

So why not women bikini basketball then

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electronic voyeur
Profile Joined October 2012
United States133 Posts
June 08 2013 02:49 GMT
#294
On June 08 2013 08:11 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
OP, this is a good topic for discussion, but I believe a lot is lost in the manner the first post is written. So, If you think I understand your post correctly, please edit it or add this to tidy things up a bit:

KEY ISSUES:
1. Sports is generally about performance and skills;
2. When it is mediated through mass media, specifically television, due to the media's visual nature, physical attractiveness (face) of the athletes become an important consideration;
3. This practice - emphasis on attractiveness - is more prevalent in women sports more than in men.
A. Physical unattractiveness does not hinder the watchability of a male athlete as long as he excels at his sport (Ribery) but physical unattractiveness (face, or the hesitation towards muscle-bound women like in weighlifting, WNBA, etc.) in women is a crucial factor in deciding an athlete's and the sports popularity.
B. On the converse side, attractive female athletes may and do enjoy immense popularity despite only
C. Media and sports executives encourage and aggressively enforce this phenomenon further be "regulating" the sports to highlight the femininity and sexuality of women, as in dress code.

POINTS OF DISCUSSION:
1. The discussion is not about whether male or female athletes have beautiful faces and bodies;
2. Is this solely because of the demography of the audience/viewer who are predominantly male, thus necessitating in the highlighting of the sexuality of women. Conversely, theoretically, if there were more women audience, would it be logical to conclude that men sports would be significantly sexualized as well?
3. Is this a good thing (sexualization for the sake of watchability)? Is there a women sports which is watch primarily because of the athletes skills, and how does it differ from the general practice of the "sports-entertainment" phenomenon. How do we remove or minimize the objectification of women sports?

Come on, what the fuck is this bullshit! Why do you feel the need to trash on someone's thread and impose your OPINION. The issue is VERY SIMPLE. Sexual attraction is a basic and fundamental human drive. Sports, just like alcohol, is catered to MEN, which is why women are sexualized in order for the product, whether sports or alcohol, to succeed. EASY. CASE SOLVED. Enough of this philosophical mambo jambo here in TL.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 08 2013 13:25 GMT
#295
On June 08 2013 11:49 electronic voyeur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:11 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
OP, this is a good topic for discussion, but I believe a lot is lost in the manner the first post is written. So, If you think I understand your post correctly, please edit it or add this to tidy things up a bit:

KEY ISSUES:
1. Sports is generally about performance and skills;
2. When it is mediated through mass media, specifically television, due to the media's visual nature, physical attractiveness (face) of the athletes become an important consideration;
3. This practice - emphasis on attractiveness - is more prevalent in women sports more than in men.
A. Physical unattractiveness does not hinder the watchability of a male athlete as long as he excels at his sport (Ribery) but physical unattractiveness (face, or the hesitation towards muscle-bound women like in weighlifting, WNBA, etc.) in women is a crucial factor in deciding an athlete's and the sports popularity.
B. On the converse side, attractive female athletes may and do enjoy immense popularity despite only
C. Media and sports executives encourage and aggressively enforce this phenomenon further be "regulating" the sports to highlight the femininity and sexuality of women, as in dress code.

POINTS OF DISCUSSION:
1. The discussion is not about whether male or female athletes have beautiful faces and bodies;
2. Is this solely because of the demography of the audience/viewer who are predominantly male, thus necessitating in the highlighting of the sexuality of women. Conversely, theoretically, if there were more women audience, would it be logical to conclude that men sports would be significantly sexualized as well?
3. Is this a good thing (sexualization for the sake of watchability)? Is there a women sports which is watch primarily because of the athletes skills, and how does it differ from the general practice of the "sports-entertainment" phenomenon. How do we remove or minimize the objectification of women sports?

Come on, what the fuck is this bullshit! Why do you feel the need to trash on someone's thread and impose your OPINION. The issue is VERY SIMPLE. Sexual attraction is a basic and fundamental human drive. Sports, just like alcohol, is catered to MEN, which is why women are sexualized in order for the product, whether sports or alcohol, to succeed. EASY. CASE SOLVED. Enough of this philosophical mambo jambo here in TL.



Sexualization is not the act of being attracted to another person, it is ranking that person's attractiveness as the barometer of their worth.

There are people who like Beiber for his music. There are those that like him for his looks. Sexualizing Beiber is stating that his success is based solely on his looks and not his music.

So, wanting to fuck Beiber is not sexualizing him--it's being attracted to him.
Saying Beiber is a hack and the only reason he's famous is because he's pretty is sexualizing him--since you are his equating his worth as a person based on how fuckable he is.

The same is true for athletes.

Tom Brady is loved by his fans, because of all the Super Bowls he wins.
Tom Brady is hated by his detractors usually being called a "pretty boy" implicating that if he wasn't good looking he wouldn't be famous.

He is being sexualized by his detractors, because they are equating his aesthetics with his quality as a human being.

People also want to fuck Tom Brady--but wanting to fuck him does not sexualized him.

Lindsay Vonn is an Olympic medalist. I saw her talked about on the news during the Olympics. Then nothing--I had to seek out sports magazines and sports news to hear anything about her. Now she's fucking Tiger Woods; I hear about her all the time now. Why? Because news of her as a sexual being is more interesting to westerners than news of her as an athlete.

This is not the media's fault. The media already tried to sell Lindsay as an athlete. Didn't work very well. So they sell her as Tiger Wood's dick sheath and inform us of what she dresses and such and such parties. Note, her sexiness is not what is being sold, what's being sold is that she's Tiger Wood's girlfriend. Another woman in the long bedpost of notches that tiger has. She's not being sexualized because she's hot, she's sexualized because her limelight is predicated on her bein someone's fuckbuddy, not on her accomplishments.
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Orangered
Profile Joined June 2013
289 Posts
June 08 2013 13:44 GMT
#296
On June 08 2013 09:58 Prplppleatr wrote:
Sex sells, men or women

Basic truth of life
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-08 13:50:07
June 08 2013 13:49 GMT
#297
Meh. Sex sells.

I don't get the point of discussing this. Women are sexy to men. It's natural that they're talked about that, as long as they're moderately attractive and fit, which most of the athletes you list are.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 08 2013 13:57 GMT
#298
On June 08 2013 22:49 Bleak wrote:
Meh. Sex sells.

I don't get the point of discussing this. Women are sexy to men. It's natural that they're talked about that, as long as they're moderately attractive and fit, which most of the athletes you list are.


The discussion is not on whether people are good looking or not. The discussions are on the moral implications of placing a woman's worth on her looks instead of her accomplishments.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 08 2013 16:03 GMT
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