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theodorus12
Profile Joined June 2013
Switzerland129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 23:05:16
June 07 2013 23:02 GMT
#241
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 07 2013 23:05 GMT
#242
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Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
June 07 2013 23:06 GMT
#243
On June 07 2013 22:18 Zephirdd wrote:
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This ia Marta. Best female football player in the world. In my opinion, ugly as fuck.

Answer to your thread: no, female sports are not sexualized. Athletes tend to have prettier bodies, thats it.


If you don't think there is market in sexualizing your industry (male sports do this as well) then you're simply wrong. The question shouldn't be whether or not sports are sexualized, because they are, but whether or not it is right to do so morally.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 07 2013 23:06 GMT
#244
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 23:10:37
June 07 2013 23:07 GMT
#245
On June 08 2013 07:49 sunprince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 07:47 TheExile19 wrote:
On June 08 2013 07:38 sunprince wrote:

Appreciating someone primarily for their physical appearance does not mean you are treating them as objects. The vast majority of models are appreciated primarily for their physical appearance, but it would be wrong to assert that models are treated as objects.


this is exactly what treating someone as an object is. the only difference is that modeling is treated with a modicum of respect and at least has defined relevance in reducing men and women down to nothing but the physical, even though in truth it's generally just as much in thrall to those nebulous beauty standards unless you're in orbit around where the weirder aspects of cutting-edge fashion tend to be.


Then your same logic can be applied to show that any profession is objectified. After all, an athlete is reduced to an object to play sports for our entertainment and are thus entertainment objects. An engineer is reduced to an object to build things for our use and are thus construction objects, little better than machines. Etc,


in a philosophical sense, this is certainly true; engineers become objects of production in a fairly marxist fashion, athletes become objects of the human body in a similar fashion to modeling. it might even be true that there's more relation to cynically showing off flesh in professional athletics than in any other medium that isn't, well, pornography.

however, here's the difference: engineers and athletes work to accomplish things. models and the body images that some athletes are wrongfully reduced to are aided by genetics, maybe a solid workout regimen and nothing else, because there is no escaping a similar philosophical and aesthetic ideal that pervades society.

which mode of advancement is more wholesome for a progressive society to focus on, the genes and the looks or the hard work and the intellect? feel free to substitute "gender" for genes or looks.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 07 2013 23:11 GMT
#246
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?


So what, are you gonna tell him to 'check his privilege'?
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AUFKLARUNG
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany245 Posts
June 07 2013 23:11 GMT
#247
OP, this is a good topic for discussion, but I believe a lot is lost in the manner the first post is written. So, If you think I understand your post correctly, please edit it or add this to tidy things up a bit:

KEY ISSUES:
1. Sports is generally about performance and skills;
2. When it is mediated through mass media, specifically television, due to the media's visual nature, physical attractiveness (face) of the athletes become an important consideration;
3. This practice - emphasis on attractiveness - is more prevalent in women sports more than in men.
A. Physical unattractiveness does not hinder the watchability of a male athlete as long as he excels at his sport (Ribery) but physical unattractiveness (face, or the hesitation towards muscle-bound women like in weighlifting, WNBA, etc.) in women is a crucial factor in deciding an athlete's and the sports popularity.
B. On the converse side, attractive female athletes may and do enjoy immense popularity despite only
C. Media and sports executives encourage and aggressively enforce this phenomenon further be "regulating" the sports to highlight the femininity and sexuality of women, as in dress code.

POINTS OF DISCUSSION:
1. The discussion is not about whether male or female athletes have beautiful faces and bodies;
2. Is this solely because of the demography of the audience/viewer who are predominantly male, thus necessitating in the highlighting of the sexuality of women. Conversely, theoretically, if there were more women audience, would it be logical to conclude that men sports would be significantly sexualized as well?
3. Is this a good thing (sexualization for the sake of watchability)? Is there a women sports which is watch primarily because of the athletes skills, and how does it differ from the general practice of the "sports-entertainment" phenomenon. How do we remove or minimize the objectification of women sports?
theodorus12
Profile Joined June 2013
Switzerland129 Posts
June 07 2013 23:16 GMT
#248
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 07 2013 23:18 GMT
#249
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 07 2013 23:18 GMT
#250
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
theodorus12
Profile Joined June 2013
Switzerland129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 23:22:30
June 07 2013 23:21 GMT
#251
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/



Nice prejudices there......

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.
aNGryaRchon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States438 Posts
June 07 2013 23:21 GMT
#252
On June 08 2013 08:11 AUFKLARUNG wrote:
OP, this is a good topic for discussion, but I believe a lot is lost in the manner the first post is written. So, If you think I understand your post correctly, please edit it or add this to tidy things up a bit:

KEY ISSUES:
1. Sports is generally about performance and skills;
2. When it is mediated through mass media, specifically television, due to the media's visual nature, physical attractiveness (face) of the athletes become an important consideration;
3. This practice - emphasis on attractiveness - is more prevalent in women sports more than in men.
A. Physical unattractiveness does not hinder the watchability of a male athlete as long as he excels at his sport (Ribery) but physical unattractiveness (face, or the hesitation towards muscle-bound women like in weighlifting, WNBA, etc.) in women is a crucial factor in deciding an athlete's and the sports popularity.
B. On the converse side, attractive female athletes may and do enjoy immense popularity despite only
C. Media and sports executives encourage and aggressively enforce this phenomenon further be "regulating" the sports to highlight the femininity and sexuality of women, as in dress code.

POINTS OF DISCUSSION:
1. The discussion is not about whether male or female athletes have beautiful faces and bodies;
2. Is this solely because of the demography of the audience/viewer who are predominantly male, thus necessitating in the highlighting of the sexuality of women. Conversely, theoretically, if there were more women audience, would it be logical to conclude that men sports would be significantly sexualized as well?
3. Is this a good thing (sexualization for the sake of watchability)? Is there a women sports which is watch primarily because of the athletes skills, and how does it differ from the general practice of the "sports-entertainment" phenomenon. How do we remove or minimize the objectification of women sports?


This should have been the OP.
Power overwhelming!!!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 07 2013 23:24 GMT
#253
On June 08 2013 08:21 theodorus12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.

obviously sex sells.
uh yeah most women are judged on their looks all the time.
i'm not sure how you use most women wanting to be sexy to equate to judging women primarily on their looks.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 23:32:06
June 07 2013 23:27 GMT
#254
It's funny how most of the people disagreeing with you are using the arguement. That it's not about women. That the sexualization in sports and the world is about $ and it's not sexism its for both genders.


i'm not seeing the humor here

of course it's about both genders, it just happens to be about one gender almost exclusively. I mean, you can have that caveat - that men, usually minority men, are discriminated against - all you like, it doesn't make your statement any less meaningless. that western society in particular is motivated by makin' dat paper is in fact something I have taken into account before acknowledging the considerable difficulties in motivating progressive change.

But some how you keep coming back sexism and poor women. Do you do this because in fact you are sexist and you are over compensating? Or because you think taking up the plight of poor women makes you a better person?


calm down freud, take a long drag from your pipe

Are you just as out raged that beckam gets paid by companies, has his own perfume, when Messi is clearly better? And Beckam is just more handsome? If you are not as outraged by this as you are that more attractive females make more money, then hate to break it to you buddy but you are the Sexist.


i don't know either of those people

clearly though, you mean to implicate me in some sort of double standard. sexism of all types is wrong, but the topic of this thread happens to be centered around women's sport. I don't know what your expectation here is.

And if you don't think most women want to be sexy, I would suggest you pick up any womens magazine and read the articles. Since you are not good and making jumps of logic I'll give you another hint, all the weightloss stuff, its not about being healthier, its about looking better. And shockingly if you pick up a men magazine, all the getting buff tips and articles arn't about lowering blood pressure they too are about looking better.


not good?

so...women like to look good because of women's magazines and vice versa for men? I never knew cosmo and maxim were so culturally important!

I have this creeping idea that you don't have a whole lot of respect for self-betterment when women are concerned, but have you considered that looking better correlates very stronger with being healthier, which is a fairly self-serving maneuver in terms of health and self-esteem? women can look good and not be trying to look sexy, there's a sizable difference and your usage of that word pretty much gives away your whole position.

theodorus12
Profile Joined June 2013
Switzerland129 Posts
June 07 2013 23:28 GMT
#255
On June 08 2013 08:24 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:21 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.

obviously sex sells.
uh yeah most women are judged on their looks all the time.
i'm not sure how you use most women wanting to be sexy to equate to judging women primarily on their looks.



It's a non issue because everyone gets judged based on their looks. Only the turbo feminists think this is a women only thing.

This whole thread is as pointless as it gets.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 07 2013 23:29 GMT
#256
On June 08 2013 08:28 theodorus12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:24 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:21 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.

obviously sex sells.
uh yeah most women are judged on their looks all the time.
i'm not sure how you use most women wanting to be sexy to equate to judging women primarily on their looks.



It's a non issue because everyone gets judged based on their looks. Only the turbo feminists think this is a women only thing.

This whole thread is as pointless as it gets.

i disagree. i believe that women get judged on their looks much more than men. and that it is an issue.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
theodorus12
Profile Joined June 2013
Switzerland129 Posts
June 07 2013 23:32 GMT
#257
On June 08 2013 08:29 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:28 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:24 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:21 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.

obviously sex sells.
uh yeah most women are judged on their looks all the time.
i'm not sure how you use most women wanting to be sexy to equate to judging women primarily on their looks.



It's a non issue because everyone gets judged based on their looks. Only the turbo feminists think this is a women only thing.

This whole thread is as pointless as it gets.

i disagree. i believe that women get judged on their looks much more than men. and that it is an issue.



Well that's your opinion. But even if it were true, women are also much better at abusing their looks than men.

JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 07 2013 23:33 GMT
#258
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
June 07 2013 23:33 GMT
#259
On June 08 2013 08:29 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:28 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:24 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:21 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.

obviously sex sells.
uh yeah most women are judged on their looks all the time.
i'm not sure how you use most women wanting to be sexy to equate to judging women primarily on their looks.



It's a non issue because everyone gets judged based on their looks. Only the turbo feminists think this is a women only thing.

This whole thread is as pointless as it gets.

i disagree. i believe that women get judged on their looks much more than men. and that it is an issue.

c'est la vie? its sort of natural in our society(s).. gl changing that.
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 23:36:55
June 07 2013 23:34 GMT
#260
On June 08 2013 08:32 theodorus12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 08:29 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:28 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:24 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:21 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:18 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:16 theodorus12 wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:06 ComaDose wrote:
On June 08 2013 08:02 theodorus12 wrote:
While they might don't like it, I seriously just don't care and see nothing wrong with it, it's just so obvious how most abuse their looks.... But don't we have any real problems left? I mean we must be living in a perfect world to have time to argue about something as irrelevant as this topic....

Society is way more than ok atm.. most likely even a bit too "ok". But this is gonna change pretty soon I guess.

ill bet you 40,000 ESPORTS dollars you're a strait white male?



I'm actually black. Now what? hurr check ur privilege? Or what are you trying to tell me?

i didn't know anyone else would be arrogant enough to claim an issue affecting over half the population wasn't important :/

It's not an issue to most women, if you like it or not, most women WANT to be sexy, they like male attention. Just read or watch any women magazine, TV show etc.

There's only a small circle of hyper feminists who think this laughable "issue" is even worth mentioning.

obviously sex sells.
uh yeah most women are judged on their looks all the time.
i'm not sure how you use most women wanting to be sexy to equate to judging women primarily on their looks.



It's a non issue because everyone gets judged based on their looks. Only the turbo feminists think this is a women only thing.

This whole thread is as pointless as it gets.

i disagree. i believe that women get judged on their looks much more than men. and that it is an issue.



Well that's your opinion. But even if it were true, women are also much better at abusing their looks than men.



probably because how women look matters much more to a society that creates such an impeccable ideal of beauty - it's almost like the possibility, the room and space, for women to succeed based almost solely on looks is the perfect proof that society objectifies them overmuch. you unbelievable moron.

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