EPTIs women's sport sexualized? - Page 10
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JimmiC
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TheExile19
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On June 08 2013 06:42 JimmiC wrote: This just in "people like looking at good looking people" Also breaking news "Athletes tend to have good bodies" The same is true for men as well, If you don't think Jeter's smile, Beckam... so on and so on have not got more attention/money/sponerships do to there looks then you are crazy. Looks matter to marketers both genders there is even a profession called "modeling" just because of this. Go figure that if some one could be successful at sports and goodlooking that they would be even more marketable and get more money and attention. Shocking! modeling is about having good, in-fashion looks. what do you prefer athletics be about, the decades of training and the competition or how some woman happened to be blessed with talent and looks, the latter by sheer luck of genes? | ||
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DwarfTherapist
United States48 Posts
Men seek high physical standards. women seek earning potential and social standing. Which one of these is most easily shown by removing clothes? Back to tumblr/redding/social studies class ty | ||
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JimmiC
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:41 Vanimar wrote: While the intentions of bringing the sport back into focus are indeed admirable, the question itself seems rather self explanatory. If it results in positive reinforcement, it will be done. Be it money, fame, recognition and admiration for your body or whatever, people will do what ever reinforces them. The problem lies in the conflict between intention and execution. Market forces will always follow the path of least resistance in ratio to income earned per amount of effort wasted. It's easier to sell 2 boobs than an entire narrative. It's easier to sell a picture than it is to sell their history It's not that "sex sells" or that "you'll sell more if you make them hotter" but that there currently is nothing in it for investors to not sell sex. It's possible to sell on talent--but that requires a lot to work out in your favor. However, to some (such as myself) there is moral problem with not trying to seek out the better systems. The most that can be done is to talk about it in the hopes that market forces will eventually be interested in something else. It worked for african americans and their place in culture, it worked for native americans and their place in culture. There is a LOT more to go for both those racial groups, and there is a lot more that still needs to get started for women. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:47 dAPhREAk wrote: not only am i cool with it, they are too. probably loving their multi-million dollar contracts. they are not told to fuck off regardless of accomplishment. if you're the best in your field, you will be showered with money. as i said, be incredibly talented or have a nice rack. i dont agree with that characterization. people arent saying "she won a gold medal, whatever, but look at that fucking rack!!" arn't they saying that? i thought thats what this topic was about and the relivance of the article referencing the record setting pole vaulting model. you said: "as i said, be incredibly talented or have a nice rack." those things are not mutally exclusive and there exists an exteremly talented woman with a nice rack who doesnt want the tabloids to read her cup size. | ||
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theodorus12
Switzerland129 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:49 JimmiC wrote: If they didn't want people to think about there boobs, they wouldn't wear outfits that accentuate them. Same way if a man didn't want women to think about his abs he wouldn't take off his shirt. In case you didn't know, people don't dress to please you, they dress to please themselves. | ||
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TheExile19
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On June 08 2013 06:47 JimmiC wrote: Also, women hate to be sexualized thats why they never buy pushup bra's, spanks, mini skirts, yoga pants, makeup and so on. Also why there are no sites like thechive where women take pictures of themselves looking sexy. I don't know why our current society has decided that women don't like this. They are not different than us, they also want to look there best and want people to be attracted to them it feels good. Just as male athletes are taking off there shirts and so on, Women are revealing what they have worked hard to achive. They want to show it off, and so would I. It feels good to be wanted and even better if they will pay you more because of it. sigh nobody sane has a problem with women using resources at hand to look their best and/or fit in with a society that emphasizes that looks are the most legitimate way of expressing yourself, the point is and always is that that emphasis is too strong and too deleterious to women who don't give a shit about superficiality or simply don't fit some hazy standard of societal beauty. this is like the most basic tenet of institutionalized sexism, and when you move on from here you start to look at how women who don't fit (and even women who do fit are still viewed as being somehow aware of that standard and trying to play it up) are treated and marketed to, where everything about their appearance violates some implicit contract where if you want to get things done career-wise, you'd better be an inhuman worker or smokin' hot. | ||
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NTTemplar
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On June 08 2013 06:43 ComaDose wrote: what if you dont want people to think about your boobs Then the best one can do is conceal them, or if one doesn't mind, just make sure to have ugly boobs (that is an extreme, yes). Being a woman means having boobs, and what people think about is up to each individual, how much a woman leaves up to peoples imagination she has quite a bit of control over. Being a man means having a cock, and this is the same case as for women, the issue just doesn't happen as often. But take this example: I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a fair share of moments he wish people wouldn't think of his penis, that being one of them. Being a person and being visually displayed, e.g. being on TV, means that the possibility is there that people will think anything of you, personally I feel it is up to the displayed individual to be the kind of person that doesn't care what people spend their time thinking about. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:53 NTTemplar wrote: Then the best one can do is conceal them, or if one doesn't mind, just make sure to have ugly boobs (that is an extreme, yes). Being a woman means having boobs, and what people think about is up to each individual, how much a woman leaves up to peoples imagination she has quite a bit of control over. Being a man means having a cock, and this is the same case as for women, the issue just doesn't happen as often. But take this example: I wouldn't be surprised if he has had a fair share of moments he wish people wouldn't think of his penis, that being one of them. Being a person and being visually displayed, e.g. being on TV, means that the possibility is there that people will think anything of you, personally I feel it is up to the displayed individual to be the kind of person that doesn't care what people spend their time thinking about. yeah but then people write articles about your body instead of your sport. :/ | ||
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JimmiC
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:58 JimmiC wrote: "modeling is about having good, in-fashion looks. what do you prefer athletics be about, the decades of training and the competition or how some woman happened to be blessed with talent and looks, the latter by sheer luck of genes?" Athletics is about the competition, training so on, and for the record many peoples success in athletics has to do with "the sheer luck of genes" No way I can even jump like lebron or be that size no matter the training. But just because Anna Kornikova got money and fame from her looks she didn't win a single extra match (unless the oppenent was mezmorized by her booty and missed the ball) In fact she never won a tournment. " What her looks got her is money through marketing and modeling. So I really don't see your point. And many a guy has been overated by his looks, or personality, and made more money because of it. Look at Jon fitch in mma because he is boring he made less money then worse MMA atheletes. It's because pro sports are a entertainment buisness, those that entertain, whether it be looks, personality what ever. ALSO if you want me to be really factual but politically incorrect, outside of a very very very few women stricly athletically speaking you would never watch them because they are worse. Slower, weaker so on. Danica would be a bit of a exception except the fact that she is a women has got her many benifts. On Athletisicm alone she probably would have never made it. No women Basketball player could compete, hockey, soccer, so on. So by pure athletism womens sports should not exist just one for both genders, where only the best are,and it would be 99.9999999% men. over half the population of the planet can relate better to female athletes than male atheletes tho. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:58 JimmiC wrote: "modeling is about having good, in-fashion looks. what do you prefer athletics be about, the decades of training and the competition or how some woman happened to be blessed with talent and looks, the latter by sheer luck of genes?" Athletics is about the competition, training so on, and for the record many peoples success in athletics has to do with "the sheer luck of genes" No way I can even jump like lebron or be that size no matter the training. But just because Anna Kornikova got money and fame from her looks she didn't win a single extra match (unless the oppenent was mezmorized by her booty and missed the ball) In fact she never won a tournment. " What her looks got her is money through marketing and modeling. So I really don't see your point. And many a guy has been overated by his looks, or personality, and made more money because of it. Look at Jon fitch in mma because he is boring he made less money then worse MMA atheletes. It's because pro sports are a entertainment buisness, those that entertain, whether it be looks, personality what ever. ALSO if you want me to be really factual but politically incorrect, outside of a very very very few women stricly athletically speaking you would never watch them because they are worse. Slower, weaker so on. Danica would be a bit of a exception except the fact that she is a women has got her many benifts. On Athletisicm alone she probably would have never made it. No women Basketball player could compete, hockey, soccer, so on. So by pure athletism womens sports should not exist just one for both genders, where only the best are,and it would be 99.9999999% men. It is posters like this that I wish I could block them from TL... | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:52 Thieving Magpie wrote: In case you didn't know, people don't dress to please you, they dress to please themselves. Was about to mention this myself having heard quite a few guys say "if she doesn't want me to look, she wouldn't wear it", fully knowing that the majority of girls I know dress like they do since it is comfortable, not to show off. Just like I don't wear tight shirts to "try and show off my body" but because I like clothing that doesn't restrict my movement much like a lot of baggier clothes do, most girls I know at least wear clothes they are comfortable in. Simply put, thinking people dress for you as opposed to wearing something they themselves are comfortable in is a rather ignorant and perhaps selfcentered view in my eyes. | ||
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theodorus12
Switzerland129 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:59 Thieving Magpie wrote: It is posters like this that I wish I could block them from TL... Why? Because he is right and it hurts your feelings? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 08 2013 06:51 ComaDose wrote: arn't they saying that? i thought thats what this topic was about and the relivance of the article referencing the record setting pole vaulting model. you said: "as i said, be incredibly talented or have a nice rack." those things are not mutally exclusive and there exists an exteremly talented woman with a nice rack who doesnt want the tabloids to read her cup size. might as well ask the tabloids to hire legitimate writers--it would be as productive. people want to know stuff, magazines sell it. maybe my world is isolated, but i have never seen someone disregard an olympian's achievements to discuss her rack size. | ||
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theodorus12
Switzerland129 Posts
On June 08 2013 07:00 NTTemplar wrote: Was about to mention this myself having heard quite a few guys say "if she doesn't want me to look, she wouldn't wear it", fully knowing that the majority of girls I know dress like they do since it is comfortable, not to show off. Just like I don't wear tight shirts to "try and show off my body" but because I like clothing that doesn't restrict my movement much like a lot of baggier clothes do, most girls I know at least wear clothes they are comfortable in. Simply put, thinking people dress for you as opposed to wearing something they themselves are comfortable in is a rather ignorant and perhaps selfcentered view in my eyes. It's her freedom to wear whatever she wants, but it's also my freedom to look at her boobs or ass.... | ||
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JimmiC
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