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Please attempt to distinguish between extremists and non extremists to avoid starting the inevitable waste of time that is "can Islam be judged by its believers?" - KwarK | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:41 m4inbrain wrote: In nonamericaland policemen are not paid to play Dredd. Which is a good thing. High respect for these bobbies and every other policeman that does his work properly. Police aren't paid to go Dredd in America either his view is not a mainstream one in the USA on how police should act. | ||
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AmorphousPhoenix
107 Posts
"No, no, please distinguish between the fruit and the tree." And why? Are not actions often preceded by ideas? One births the other. In any case, what matters is not the religion, but the backwards culture, which is tolerated and excused in the name of enlightened multiculturalism. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:44 DeepElemBlues wrote: Police aren't paid to go Dredd in America either his view is not a mainstream one in the USA on how police should act. I know. But you know, i kinda react to vocal minorities with equally bad habits. My bad. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:38 StarStruck wrote: What kind of intel you really think you'll get out of them? It's not so much of an excuse if your life or anyone else's life is in jeopardy for that matter. You take out the threat it's as simple as that any means necessary. I'd rather just go through their history to try and connect the dots because they sound like crazy mofos. I doubt you'd get shit of them. I'm not familiar with the U.K. police policies, so I guess it's pretty different from here. I'm trying to recall the last policeman shooting down a criminal in Toronto. The last one I think was the Union Station fiasco which was 2004 I think? I think it was a hostage taking and a swat team member shot the guy right in the forehead. I really hope the question ''How much intel can you get out of them?'' is never a consideration when police decide to shoot someone. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Ignorance breeds hate. The EDL, hilariously, have responded by... vandalising buildings and attacking police, while complaining about the attack on someone meant to "protect" us. Fantastic. | ||
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qosu
United States17 Posts
Edit: At least they did the right thing and killed them, I figured the brits to be too cowardly to use actual force. User was banned for this post. | ||
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TriO
United States421 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html | ||
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Rokit5
236 Posts
On May 23 2013 03:32 AnomalySC2 wrote: They should be executed in the most painful manner possible. No! imprisoned for life. That is a way, way harder punishment. Besides this is in Europe. Thankfully our government does not execute people. | ||
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:44 FliedLice wrote: They could've just as well been Mexican drug lords, Russian mobsters, African warlords or some other type of deranged nut job. In this reality, odds are not | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:51 revel8 wrote: This article is worth reading, if you want to know what actually happened. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html Kudos. I'm not sure, that i would or could do that. | ||
KwarK
United States44450 Posts
Historically British troops in the UK are killed by the Irish. This is the first incident like this I've heard of. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:45 Crushinator wrote: I really hope the question ''How much intel can you get out of them?'' is never a consideration when police decide to shoot someone. Are they acting alone? Looks like it. Going back to what you said before because it sounds like you're trying spin-doctor what I said. It's not so much of an excuse as it is protecting yourself and everyone else in the perimeter. That's why under pressure/stress if the suspect doesn't co-operate and make aggressive moves. I know cops over here will fire in certain scenarios. In this case it sounds shit was escalating quickly and there were a lot of bystanders. I'd want to get control of the situation asap. So going back to these crazy guys. What do you hope to achieve in a court case against? They got the attention they wanted and I don't think you're going to get much of anything out of them. Let's just give them a life sentence? | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:56 StarStruck wrote: Are they acting alone? Looks like it. Going back to what you said before because it sounds like you're trying spin-doctor what I said. It's not so much of an excuse as it is protecting yourself and everyone else in the perimeter. That's why under pressure/stress if the suspect doesn't co-operate and make aggressive moves. I know cops over here will fire in certain scenarios. In this case it sounds shit was escalating quickly and there were a lot of bystanders. I'd want to get control of the situation asap. So going back to these crazy guys. What do you hope to achieve in a court case against? They got the attention they wanted and I don't think you're going to get much of anything out of them. Let's just give them a life sentence? You hope to achieve justice from a court case. Without a court case there is no justice. That is how the system works. That is why we have the right to imprison them idefinitely and they don't have the right to behead a dude. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:52 Rokit5 wrote: No! imprisoned for life. That is a way, way harder punishment. But is it, really? Think about it, they get free food and housing for the rest of their lives supported by the taxpayers of the very community that their crimes damaged. Is that really worse than dying? Especially if we consider the option that they weren't in fact religious extremists, but insane lunatics who may or may not feel any remorse whatsoever? It's tricky. There's a realistic standpoint to this notion, not just a purely moral-based one, and both should be considered and weighed. | ||
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AmorphousPhoenix
107 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote: People going out and attacking mosques like at least two have according to ITV are not exactly refuting the jihadi belief that the West is at war with Islam itself good job guys. I guess those jihadi's will just have to learn that you can't judge the entire West by the actions of a minority. lol... | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote: But is it, really? Think about it, they get free food and housing for the rest of their lives supported by the taxpayers of the very community that their crimes damaged. Is that really worse than dying? Especially if we consider the option that they weren't in fact religious extremists, but insane lunatics who may or may not feel any remorse whatsoever? It's tricky. There's a realistic standpoint to this notion, not just a purely moral-based one, and both should be considered and weighed. Considering that they believe there are a couple dozen virgins waiting for them when they die, i'd assume yes. It's worse. Never discard the effect that imprisonment can have. Especially isolated imprisonment, which they would need to be put in. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:56 StarStruck wrote: Are they acting alone? Looks like it. Going back to what you said before because it sounds like you're trying spin-doctor what I said. It's not so much of an excuse as it is protecting yourself and everyone else in the perimeter. That's why under pressure/stress if the suspect doesn't co-operate and make aggressive moves. I know cops over here will fire in certain scenarios. In this case it sounds shit was escalating quickly and there were a lot of bystanders. I'd want to get control of the situation asap. So going back to these crazy guys. What do you hope to achieve in a court case against? They got the attention they wanted and I don't think you're going to get much of anything out of them. Let's just give them a life sentence? This just made more confused. This is just incoherent rambling to me, I really do not get your point. | ||
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote: People going out and attacking mosques like at least two have according to ITV are not exactly refuting the jihadi belief that the West is at war with Islam itself good job guys. Given that the guys in question were complaining about the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and they chose a military target I doubt the massively overhyped backlash against Muslims which isn't actually happening is going to be an important factor. Now if we were to invade Iran that'd probably count, a random nutjob failing to do anything to a mosque in Braintree, not so much. | ||
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