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Please attempt to distinguish between extremists and non extremists to avoid starting the inevitable waste of time that is "can Islam be judged by its believers?" - KwarK | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
wtf. London really must be a tenser city to live at, than I've remembered it from holidays. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote: People going out and attacking mosques like at least two have according to ITV are not exactly refuting the jihadi belief that the West is at war with Islam itself good job guys. Yes and the spoiled brats burning cars in the shitty suburbs in stockholm are not helping the immigration issues in sweden either. Retards will use anything to justify violence like that. It is like the hate crime murders in the US after 9/11 where Sikhs got shot by rednecks or whatever. Stupid people doing knee-jerk reactions seems par for the course. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:50 TriO wrote: I'm wondering why it took 35 minutes for police to respond. For a country that created policing you expect more from them. From what I understand it was an armed response that took 35 minutes, regular police were on the scene but were afraid of confronting them because they wanted the police to come to them. | ||
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
Just hope this doesn't spark anymore violence, apart from against the murderers ofcourse, as far as I'm concerned they're rabid animals that should be put down. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 23 2013 07:59 KwarK wrote: You hope to achieve justice from a court case. Without a court case there is no justice. That is how the system works. That is why we have the right to imprison them idefinitely and they don't have the right to behead a dude. There is nothing to justify what these men have done. I wouldn't want them in my prison system because it will lead to more violence. I don't see them lasting in jail. As for Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She's a saint. | ||
KwarK
United States44316 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:03 PVJ wrote: Just saw this on v too. wtf. London really must be a tenser city to live at, than I've remembered it from holidays. Far, far safer from terrorism now than it was during the troubles. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:05 KwarK wrote: Far, far safer from terrorism now than it was during the troubles. The troubles? | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:00 MasterOfPuppets wrote: But is it, really? Think about it, they get free food and housing for the rest of their lives supported by the taxpayers of the very community that their crimes damaged. Is that really worse than dying? Especially if we consider the option that they weren't in fact religious extremists, but insane lunatics who may or may not feel any remorse whatsoever? It's tricky. There's a realistic standpoint to this notion, not just a purely moral-based one, and both should be considered and weighed. I don't think the "giving them free food and housing" argument is very morally strong. I think that making that argument is implicitly if unintentionally also making an argument justifying denying them food or shelter at all which would definitely be barbaric. There is a realistic standpoint of "do they deserve to live" to consider. Britain as a country considered that standpoint and decided that assuming the moral authority and responsibility of execution by the state is not something that can be justified. I don't agree but hey it's their country. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:01 AmorphousPhoenix wrote: I guess those jihadi's will just have to learn that you can't judge the entire West by the actions of a minority. lol... I don't know if you're aware but the joke you're trying to pull off makes the implication that "jihadis" and the Islamic community are one and the same thing, It's not comparable. The Western public should not judge Islam by the actions of a minority. Likewise, the community of Islam should not judge Western stance based on a minority's actions. "Jihadis" are not representative of Islam, they're extremists, they're, by definition, believers in a religious war waged against the West, and make no mistake such actions will probably enrage them further, like DEB said. | ||
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Saumure
France404 Posts
He is refering to the riots I guess. edit: sorry for knowing so little... | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
He's referring to the 1960s-1980s and the IRA. | ||
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KwarK
United States44316 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:05 StarStruck wrote: There is nothing to justify what these men have done. I wouldn't want them in my prison system because it will lead to more violence. I don't see them lasting in jail. As for Ingrid Loyau-Kennett. She's a saint. They executed a guy, exactly the same thing you're advocating happen to them, and yet you say nothing can justify what they did. It was just a beheading, if you believe in capital punishment you don't think there is something intrinsically wrong with an execution. The reason what they did is wrong is because what they did was rob a man of his life, it was unfair, unsanctioned, unjust. The reason it is not that when we do it is because we put them through a fair trial before the authorities society sanctions with the power to dispense justice. It matters, in this case more than most. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
The conflict between the IRA and the British from the late 60s/70s until 98 | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:06 DeepElemBlues wrote: I don't think the "giving them free food and housing" argument is very morally strong. I think that making that argument is implicitly if unintentionally also making an argument in favor of denying them food or shelter at all which would definitely be barbaric. Well yes, but I willingly disregarded that option seeing as it would be considered morally wrong when weighed against either imprisonment or execution. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:07 DeepElemBlues wrote: He's referring to the 1960s-1980s and the IRA. IRA was quite something else, but weren't there riots in 2011 as well? | ||
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wozzot
United States1227 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:05 peidongyang wrote: so, do they reinstate the death penalty? Over a few isolated incidents such as this? Probably not. The reason this is even in the news is because of how extraordinary the circumstances are. Reinstating the death penalty over a handful of cases like this will lead to repercussions that affect far more people, innocents being executed and such; that's why countries abolish the practice in the first place | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:10 StarStruck wrote: IRA was quite something else, but weren't there riots in 2011 as well? Yes but "The Troubles" is a name given to the IRA conflict. On May 23 2013 08:03 PVJ wrote: Just saw this on v too. wtf. London really must be a tenser city to live at, than I've remembered it from holidays. I wouldn't judge all of London based on this. It's an enormous city and the northern parts of it in particular are more common for Islamic extremism. I live in South London and it's totally safe. There are just areas you need to be careful in, as in any city. | ||
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AmorphousPhoenix
107 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I don't know if you're aware but the joke you're trying to pull off makes the implication that "jihadis" and the Islamic community are one and the same thing, I don't know if you're aware but the post I quoted used the term jihadis, which is why I used the term. Simple as that. | ||
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qosu
United States17 Posts
On May 23 2013 08:13 Larkin wrote: Yes but "The Troubles" is a name given to the IRA conflict. I wouldn't judge all of London based on this. It's an enormous city and the northern parts of it in particular are more common for Islamic extremism. I live in South London and it's totally safe. There are just areas you need to be careful in, as in any city. Be careful, Larkin. We wouldn't want you to get your privilege checked like this chap. | ||
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