Margaret Thatcher dies at age 87 - Page 17
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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
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Rossie
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On April 09 2013 16:06 Warlock40 wrote: He still might have won even without the thugs at polls. Look up the word "demagogue".More like propaganda can make you think that Hitler won an election. But it'd be ludicrous to claim that Hitler "won" an election by any democratic standard. | ||
Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
I guess I don't actually need to say what I think of her. | ||
SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
The thing is though: Margaret Thatcher died on Monday an old woman riddled with dementia and health issues. She had no power any more, and while you can't deny she had a lasting impact, she was far from ever being impactful politically ever again. Margaret Thatcher died yesterday, but the Iron Lady died a long time ago. Perhaps when she was ousted from office, perhaps when dementia took hold, certainly some time between then. Either way, there comes a point where her death stops representing any kind of victory over the woman who ruined so many lives and just becomes a personal loss to her family and friends. She'd gone long past that point and that's why I find actively celebrating her death very strange, if slightly understandable when you see the damage she caused. I wouldn't wish death or dementia on my worst enemy though. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On April 09 2013 07:29 Evangelist wrote: Yeah. I don't think any American has the ability to comment on Thatcher's politics. LOL. Because the US Politics thread is only Americans, right ? | ||
ThaSlayer
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ThaSlayer
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On April 09 2013 06:36 nunez wrote: if there's a conflict you will often have collateral damage, i don't think this is necessarily a crime in itself. Of course it is a crime. You knowingly targeted civilians. | ||
UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On April 09 2013 17:15 ThaSlayer wrote: Could anyone direct me to a set of rational, well-explained reasons as to why Thatcher was hated? All the rage on the internet isn't helping at all. Thanks! Again, as someone said above, think of what the republicans think of Obama, well the north of Britain and the less central left of Britain, pretty much have that attitude to Thatcher. The fact that twice the Godwin Law has been invoked by those very strongly against thatcher kind of tells you how rational they are. | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
The economic legacy of Mrs Thatcher Nicholas Crafts, 8 April 2013 The death of Lady Thatcher makes it opportune to consider the difference that her governments made to the UK's economic performance. This column is an ‘economic obituary’. The policies of the Conservative governments led by Margaret Thatcher between 1979 and 1990 remain highly controversial more than 20 years later. In many respects, they represented a sharp break with the earlier postwar period and this was certainly true of supply-side policies relevant to growth performance. Reforms of fiscal policy were made including the restructuring of taxation by increasing VAT while reducing income-tax rates and, notably, by indexing transfer payments to prices rather than wages while aiming to restore a balanced budget. Industrial policy was downsized as subsidies were cut and privatisation of state-owned businesses was embraced while deregulation, including most notably of financial markets with the ‘Big Bang’ in 1986, was promoted. Legal reforms of industrial relations further reduced trade union bargaining power which had initially been undermined by rising unemployment. In general, these changes were accepted rather than reversed by Labour after 1997. ... Conclusion In sum, Thatcherism was a partial solution to the problems which had led to earlier underperformance, in particular, those that had arisen from weak competition (Crafts 2012). The reforms encouraged the effective diffusion of new technology rather than greater invention and worked more through reducing inefficiency than promoting investment-led growth. They addressed relative economic decline through improving TFP and reducing the NAIRU. At the same time, the short-term implications were seriously adverse for many workers as unemployment rose and manufacturing rapidly shed two million jobs while income inequality surged, to no small extent as a result of benefit reforms. Indeed, any judgement on Thatcherism turns heavily on value judgements concerning the relative importance of income distribution and economic growth as policy objectives. The 1980s saw a very rapid increase in the Gini coefficient by about nine percentage points, which has turned out to be largely permanent. Ultimately, the Thatcher experiment was about making a liberal market economy work better. There will be those who think a German-style coordinated market economy is preferable. That was not really an option available to Mrs Thatcher but in any event it was hardly a vision of which she approved. Emphasis mine. Full article here. Edit: Posting this from an unrelated article. It seems that the relative decline of industry (or manufacturing at least) in the UK was nothing remarkable: + Show Spoiler + ![]() Source | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On April 09 2013 18:00 UdderChaos wrote: Again, as someone said above, think of what the republicans think of Obama, well the north of Britain and the less central left of Britain, pretty much have that attitude to Thatcher. The fact that twice the Godwin Law has been invoked by those very strongly against thatcher kind of tells you how rational they are. Nothing you said here is correct, and this kind of blanket statement from somebody who has no idea what they're talking about isn't appreciated. | ||
Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On April 09 2013 15:01 Rossie wrote: Hitler won an election. That's what propaganda can do. That's not entirely the same situation is it? Thatcher never used propaganda atleast not to the extent hitler did and if people hated her that much she wouldn't have got in for a second term, let alone a third. | ||
Jiix
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Margaret Thatcher and misapplied death etiquette | ||
cozzE
Australia357 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On April 09 2013 18:38 cozzE wrote: The people here demanding respect here need to actually do some reading. She was a torturous witch that ruthlessly ignored the working-class in the UK. There was no love lost when she passed, hopefully she's in a terrible place with Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Pol Pot and all the other unforgiving despots of the 20th century. There are plenty of working class people who also liked thatcher, she was by no means a despot just ridiculous rhetoric you are throwing around. | ||
Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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NoxiousNoodles
United Kingdom61 Posts
On April 09 2013 18:38 cozzE wrote: The people here demanding respect here need to actually do some reading. She was a torturous witch that ruthlessly ignored the working-class in the UK. There was no love lost when she passed, hopefully she's in a terrible place with Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Pol Pot and all the other unforgiving despots of the 20th century. They should also avoid reading ridiculously biased materials like you clearly have. I am working class from an ex-mining town and should therefore apparently hate her. I don't, along with many people I know living here. | ||
Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On April 09 2013 18:38 cozzE wrote: The people here demanding respect here need to actually do some reading. She was a torturous witch that ruthlessly ignored the working-class in the UK. There was no love lost when she passed, hopefully she's in a terrible place with Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Pol Pot and all the other unforgiving despots of the 20th century. A person telling other people to do some actually reading proceeds to place Thatcher amongst Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet and Pol Pot. I was planning to stay well clear from this discussion, but this comment was a real eyebrow raiser. | ||
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